[Split]Debris piles at GZ- split from: UL Moves For Sanctions Against Morgan Reynold

[Alt+F4]

The illustration that you say is from the Washington Post is worth reposting

Yes, again, Dr. Judy Wood is a liar who manipulated the image in question and also lied about the photo regarding the inventory from the Warner Brothers Store, which was not taken at the WTC! Her severe mental illness will preclude her from ever working in education again, but she might not be unemployed forever, after all, those shopping carts in the Costco parking lot won't collect themselves.

On second thought, maybe a space beam or hurricaine might round them up.

 

[Dog Town]

And WTC 4 was mostly pulverized, with just a narrow sliver of it remaining and still no damage underneath.

Do you dance with that? 110 stories compared to what? Pathetic!

 

[ElMondoHummus]

As many of you know, there are 503 officially transcribed statements from First Responders, police, firefighters and EMTs that contain a number of references to GZ being flat and to the sublevels being intact.

The 503 Witness Statements may be found here. Enjoy:

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/khtml/2005/08/12/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC.html

Has anyone found any references from rescue workers from the above link referencing GZ as being flat and/or the sublevels being intact? The ones I've read so far don't make a single reference towards that assertion at all.

 

[jberryhill]

That is what has been claimed, so I'm not sure why you posted that illustration if you wanted to prove something?

The point proven is that the illustration - as posted on Judy Wood's website - has the notation "subway tunnel collapsed" removed from it.

Look at BOTH the original illustration, and Judy Wood's intentionally manipulated version of it.

It is absolutely obvious that you didn't notice the difference between the original and the Judy Wood version of it.

What those two images show is that Judy Wood, if not for the fact that she has organic brain damage, would otherwise be a liar.

The problem is that the US District Court for the Southern District of New York is probably not going to look as charitably on similar false statements she has submitted under oath.

 

[jammonius]

the site is anything but flat

[qimg]http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories/images/groundzero.jpg[/qimg]


Interesting GZ radar image maps here

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories/s798b.htm

"Anything but flat" you say? Well, the claim has been that GZ was no more than 1 storey in height on average with a few little piles here and there.

Note, too, that at this point in the discussion, we have put paid to the claim that the underground levels were filled with debris. It is to be recalled that at one point in this discussion 1=5 or 6. Now at least some semblance of reality has been restored such that 1=1.

We know that the above is from relatively early in the day on 9/11, probably at around noon. We know for certain it is before 5:20pm because WTC 7 is still standing. Do posters see the pedestrian walkway (center/left)? You can see that GZ does not extend to the height of the walkway, thus confirming <1storey in height.

 

[jammonius]

Could it be that the reason for eliminatiing the phrase "THE SUBWAY TUNNEL COLLAPSED" is because NO SUCH COLLAPSE COULD BE CONFIRMED?

Indeed, the actual statement contained in the WashPost caption, as previously quoted, said, specifically, in substance, that the below-ground levels were intact, all as more exactly quoted elesewhere. The Path tunnel was the lowest level of all. It was not signficantly damaged and did not collapse, as seen in the TWO photos posted here.

 

[jammonius]

Yes, again, Dr. Judy Wood is a liar who manipulated the image in question and also lied about the photo regarding the inventory from the Warner Brothers Store, which was not taken at the WTC! Her severe mental illness will preclude her from ever working in education again, but she might not be unemployed forever, after all, those shopping carts in the Costco parking lot won't collect themselves.

On second thought, maybe a space beam or hurricaine might round them up.

You might well be right about Dr. Wood's employability, albeit for the wrong reason. So long as the MIC, via the DOD, continues to dominate Academia by virtue of controlling a vast amount of funding for American universities, it is highly likely that Dr. Wood will find it difficult to secure employment in that realm.

In fact, you are being wickely disengenuous in making it appear as if her unemployability has something to do with her mental capacities or stability or whatever. Her unemployability has nothing to do with that, WITH ONE EXCEPTION.

As to her mental status, you, in a very around about way, might be right. The way in which you are right is in the manner of FASCISM. This issue is best captured by Anna Freud's reminder that an indicator of sanity is the ability to go along and get along in the society one lives in. In America, that means YOU DO NOT CHALLENGE AUTHORITY AND YOU DARN WELL BETTER NOT CHALLENGE THE MIC.

Of course, that manner of living entails acquiescence in FASCISTIC CONTROL.

And therein lies the secret to 9/11s success. People are not inherently incapable of recognizing the official story of the event makes no sense. Posters right here in this thread are not incapable of recognizing that 2 110 storey buildings could not disappear down to a heap of less than 1 storey based on enough kerosene to maybe fill a swimming pool and a gravity driven collapse caused by a good smack from a plane. That is impossible. Yet, the inherent quest to be perceived as being normal, indeed, sane, dictates that one give the official explanation every benefit of every doubt, everyday, no matter what the contrary information might show.

Thanks for your post.

Some people refuse to cave in to fascism; not a lot, but some.

 

[Dog Town]

In America, that means YOU DO NOT CHALLENGE AUTHORITY .

What a load of bull. America is the home of challenge authority. In fact we were founded on it. Have you even been to the greatest country in the world (forty million illegal aliens can't be wrong), the USA? Pfft...

 

[Travis]

About that Warner Brothers Store picture. Even though the contents were in a hanger it likely didn't suffer that much damage because of it's location in the plaza.

Here's an illustration from the Washington Post that clearly shows and explains the damage to the below-ground structures of the WTC.

Now look at a diagram from PANYNJ showing where the Warner Brothers Store, that was mentioned above, actually was.

 

[Disbelief]

What is your take on some of your own questions? Once again, this is NOT a DEW thread. This is a thread showing the flatness of GZ. See the title.

YOU are the one who brought up the DEW, and it has obvious implications in this thread. If you surmise that DEW explains why GZ is flat (in your opinion), you should explain how this is possible. If you can't answer the questions, just admit it.

Now, to the extent you queries concern the flatness, I'm willing to "engage" with you. Note: As I see it, engage means discuss. I don't think anyone gets to be in the position of permanent question asker and no one is in the position of question answerer. If you have interest in DEW questions, research them.

Of course there is room for discussion, but you dodging relevant questions is not really a good way to start.

As to the issue of cratering around the site, I think that one comes close enough to the topic of the thread to merit this:

[qimg]http://drjudywood.co.uk/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image149.jpg[/qimg]

The holes and the craters are fairly obvious, as I see it. Other posters, of course, may disagree.

So, how is this a discussion? You have asked nothing and posted a pic where you basically say, "There's the evidence." How about a little more effort on your part.

 

[jammonius]

YOU are the one who brought up the DEW, and it has obvious implications in this thread. If you surmise that DEW explains why GZ is flat (in your opinion), you should explain how this is possible. If you can't answer the questions, just admit it.



Of course there is room for discussion, but you dodging relevant questions is not really a good way to start.




So, how is this a discussion? You have asked nothing and posted a pic where you basically say, "There's the evidence." How about a little more effort on your part.

The discussion with you is becoming pointless. I posted up a refence to actual witnesses, naming their names and where their statements are located detailing destruciton by DEW in the sense that they saw the building disappear and witnessed and described the strange 'forces' and 'waves' they saw. One, Patricia Ondrovic, in addition to being next to cars as they mysteriously 'blew up' describes unusual phenomena in the sky involving flying objects. Her statement is noteworthy to for the extent to which it is blanked out. She say, famously, I think, "that was a military operation".

I don't appreciate your saying I am dodging questions. I am not obliged to answer questions that each poster posts. Moreover, many of the questions are not legitimate questions to begin with. They are a form of rhetoric that are intended to serve, not as questions enhancing a dialogue, but rather as veiled assertions that the questions can't be answered.

You can play that game, I won't.

 

[jammonius]

What a load of bull. America is the home of challenge authority. In fact we were founded on it. Have you even been to the greatest country in the world (forty million illegal aliens can't be wrong), the USA? Pfft...

Granted, America is said to the "land of the free and the home of the brave" too. However, America gets credit for being one thing while doing another. I think, in the actual reality, Americans are a fearful lot. Most people are in a constant state of dread about losing their jobs or whatever if they question authority.

Do you deny this underlying state of fear within America that I'm here referencing?

 

[Alt+F4]

Most people are in a constant state of dread about losing their jobs or whatever if they question authority.

Do you deny this underlying state of fear within America that I'm here referencing?

What happened to Joe Darby, the soldier who exposed the Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse? Oh yeah...

In May, 2004, Darby was profiled as the "Person of the Week" on ABC's World News Tonight, and in December 2004, he was selected as one of three ABC News "People of the Year". He was profiled and interviewed by Anderson Cooper for 60 Minutes.

Darby received the John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award on May 16, 2005 in recognition of his courage in exposing the abuses at Abu Ghraib.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Darby

 

[Arus808]

Those few shelves fall far short of represent the entirety of the stores contents. If that's all that was left, I'd say that the damage was pretty extensive, if it can all fit on a small number of shelves in a corner of a room.

Wow, jammonious have never been in a Warner Bros/ Store? Its 2 level store (all WB stores were two stories) that was like The Disney Store, but featured WB products (a lot of Looney Toons memorobilia) The second floor would feature all the animation cels for sale.

Its was a huge store. to imagine that those little shelves contained the contents of the entire store is to believe that WB was a convenience store.

 

[Arus808]

wow, seriously, there is no reasoning with Jammonious (judy). Please do not let this thread turn into another christophera thread. No amount of pics will change this posters's mind.


you can post 1000 eyewitness testimiony testifying to the height of the debris pile, and she will ignore it. No sense.


She is deliberately using photos taken after 9/11 (when clean up started) to prove her point. Her recent posts of the subway tunnels shows that she is being wholly dishonest. we are dealing with a liar.

 

[Alt+F4]

wow, seriously, there is no reasoning with Jammonious (judy). Please do not let this thread turn into another christophera thread. No amount of pics will change this posters's mind.


you can post 1000 eyewitness testimiony testifying to the height of the debris pile, and she will ignore it. No sense.


She is deliberately using photos taken after 9/11 (when clean up started) to prove her point. Her recent posts of the subway tunnels shows that she is being wholly dishonest. we are dealing with a liar.

Well on a bright note, as someone mentioned elsewhere, only about 10-15 people in the entire planet believe her nonsense.

 

[Arus808]

no one believe's Christophera's nonsense, and look how long that thread went. 11,000 posts....

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Has anyone found any references from rescue workers from the above link referencing GZ as being flat and/or the sublevels being intact? The ones I've read so far don't make a single reference towards that assertion at all.

Okay, seriously, a few more testimonies read, and I still haven't found any such reference.

Besides which, there's no explanation of why the rescue workers would say something so contradictory to the cleanup engineers. I suspect that if there's any such information in those interviews, they're quote mines or misrepresentations of what the rescue worker said, just like what happened in the "molten steel" and "explosions" arguments.

 

[jammonius]

Okay, seriously, a few more testimonies read, and I still haven't found any such reference.

Besides which, there's no explanation of why the rescue workers would say something so contradictory to the cleanup engineers. I suspect that if there's any such information in those interviews, they're quote mines or misrepresentations of what the rescue worker said, just like what happened in the "molten steel" and "explosions" arguments.

You're forgetting that 9/11 is a psy op. Of course those who were there will say things that contradict what msm reports that "cleanup engineers" have said.

There are no shortcuts; and if you're interested in knowing what people who were there actually said, then it is best you take the time to go through the 503 statements, one by one.

Perhaps there is one shortcut you could use and that is you could use 'search' terms and the Adobe search tool to help streamline the task.

It's all there, could people but take a look.

I will provide one hint on the kind of information that you can find, if you look.

See:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110437.PDF

pg.4

 

[WildCat]

no one believe's Christophera's nonsense, and look how long that thread went. 11,000 posts....

You simply can't have a reasonable discussion with someone who is mentally ill or brain-damaged. Especially when they don't even realize they don't have a healthy mind.