Flight 93

[Garb]

I'm not sure what provide relevance means, but if you wonder why I would ask questions about Flight 93, I just want to know how the grass around the rim of the crater remained unburned, considering a 100 ton commercial airliner supposedly disintigrated upon contact with this dirt.

What makes these questions relevant? There is proof that a plane crashed there. 95% of the wreckage was given to UA. Where do your questions lead to a conspiracy?

 

[Unchained Spirit]

You're right, it makes no sense. First they claim the adminstration knew the attacks were coming so they grounded the military, then they claim 93 was shot down.

Could it be possible that they shot the plane down out fear that the passengers had actually taken over control? Landing that plane somewhere safely could have had serious repercussions and exposed the neocons that were behind the whole 9-11 plans.

I'm not saying the plane *was* shot down, I'm just exploring different avenues of "what if". "What if" the plane landed safely and the hijackers were apprehended.... and started talking & pointing fingers? Couldn't risk *that* happening now, could they?

 

[theauthor]

Could it be possible that they shot the plane down out fear that the passengers had actually taken over control? Landing that plane somewhere safely could have had serious repercussions and exposed the neocons that were behind the whole 9-11 plans.

I'm not saying the plane *was* shot down, I'm just exploring different avenues of "what if". "What if" the plane landed safely and the hijackers were apprehended.... and started talking & pointing fingers? Couldn't risk *that* happening now, could they?

Hi, welcome to the forum.

 

[Arus808]

Could it be possible that they shot the plane down out fear that the passengers had actually taken over control? Landing that plane somewhere safely could have had serious repercussions and exposed the neocons that were behind the whole 9-11 plans.

what makes you think that anyone knew beyond the whom were able to get a call through on the air phones, had any knowledge that the passengers were going to 'revolt" against the hijackers. If you followed the timeline and the calls made, you would have seen that no military aircraft was in the area of Flight 93.

 

[beachnut]

Could it be possible that they shot the plane down out fear that the passengers had actually taken over control? Landing that plane somewhere safely could have had serious repercussions and exposed the neocons that were behind the whole 9-11 plans.

I'm not saying the plane *was* shot down, I'm just exploring different avenues of "what if". "What if" the plane landed safely and the hijackers were apprehended.... and started talking & pointing fingers? Couldn't risk *that* happening now, could they?

The plane would be easy to land compared to the terrorist running into the ground at 500 mph. Since the USAF was not even there to shoot down the plane, it is not even a possibility.

Since the NEOCONs did not do it, and the p4t can't even fly into buildings, it leaves the terrorist who took the plane. Darn, when you use facts and reality, 9/11 truth ideas look nuts.

You have exposed 9/11 truth weakness; all their ideas are false and just pure fantasy.

 

[Unchained Spirit]

Wow! Do they allow this kind of disinformation to be posted here?

John Doe II quotes Miller as saying there were no human remains, for the love of Pete. That's the quality of his analysis.

No, what he says is "Coroner Wallace Miller now claims that no human remains were found on Indian Lake." Why did you leave that part out?

JDII posits a plane coming out of the east based on TWO specific people, only one of which saw a plane. Everyone else heard it. Do you have any idea of what a passenger jet plummeting full throttle at over 500 mph sounds like, RedIbis?

I can't speak for RedIbis, but the folks at Indian Lake Marina apparently do:
"All of a sudden the lights flickered and we joked that maybe they were coming for us. Then we heard engines screaming close overhead. The building shook. We ran out, heard the explosion and saw a fireball mushroom,” said Fleegle, pointing to a clearing on a ridge at the far end of the lake.

The single person who saw the plane is at the marina and just says that it was overhead. Does he mean literally? Based on all physical evidence, he couldn't. It was simply up in the sky. All the rest of the article sorts through the various accounts of debris, which is easily explained by the speed of the aircraft, the explosion, and the wind.

You don't read very well, do you? This is what Jim Stop said about the plane:
"Jim Stop reported he had seen the hijacked Boeing 757 fly over him as he was fishing. He said he could see parts falling from the plane".
(Pittsburgh Tribune, 9/13/01)

As you notice, he said the plane flew OVER him. Not to the right, not to the left, not in front, not behind, not a mile away, but OVER him. Why don't you question why this is so inconsistent with the official flight path, which puts the plane 2 to 3 miles away from the lake, coming in the opposite direction? In the official flight path, the plane never crosses the lake. Perhaps it would serve you well in the future to learn how to research better, or at least *read* the posts you link to... unless you're purposely spreading disinformation, that is.

 

[gumboot]

Could it be possible that they shot the plane down out fear that the passengers had actually taken over control? Landing that plane somewhere safely could have had serious repercussions and exposed the neocons that were behind the whole 9-11 plans.

I'm not saying the plane *was* shot down, I'm just exploring different avenues of "what if". "What if" the plane landed safely and the hijackers were apprehended.... and started talking & pointing fingers? Couldn't risk *that* happening now, could they?

What ifs are meaningless. UA93 was not shot down. End of story.

 

[Unchained Spirit]

Thanks for the welcome!

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Could it be that aliens abducted all the passengers and they had to shoot it down so no one would find out about the upcoming alien invasion? Where do we draw the line between imagination and facts?

 

[beachnut]

As you notice, he said the plane flew OVER him. Not to the right, not to the left, not in front, not behind, not a mile away, but OVER him.

Oops, the plane was over him. Everything above us is over us. That leaves half the universe above us, and half below us. Wowzer. Not exactly evidence to refute the actual flight path of 93; your statement is false. Welcome to reality.

All of 9/11 truth is still wrong; why do they lack real evidence?

 

[Unchained Spirit]

what makes you think that anyone knew beyond the whom were able to get a call through on the air phones, had any knowledge that the passengers were going to 'revolt" against the hijackers. If you followed the timeline and the calls made, you would have seen that no military aircraft was in the area of Flight 93.

Umm, if you've read anything about Flight 93, you'd know that Lyz Glick had the FBI monitoring Jeremy's calls from the second call.

"Ten minutes into the 30-minute call with her husband, Lyzbeth Glick asked her father to call the FBI on a separate line, Hurwitt said. FBI agents monitored the last 20 minutes of the call and are studying a tape and transcript." www dot post-gazette.com/headlines/20010913somersetnat3p3.asp

BTW, yes there were military aircraft in the area... you can find that information through Google, if you're interested..

 

[Jonnyclueless]

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[Unchained Spirit]

Oops, the plane was over him. Everything above us is over us. That leaves half the universe above us, and half below us. Wowzer. Not exactly evidence to refute the actual flight path of 93; your statement is false. Welcome to reality.

All of 9/11 truth is still wrong; why do they lack real evidence?

For someone with "Philospher" below their name, you're not a very deep thinker, are you? There's clouds up in the sky in California. Are they *over* me? No, they're not. They aren't even *above* me. They're 3000 miles away from me. There's also clouds in the sky a half a mile away from me. Are they *over* or *above* me? That would be a big "NO" again...

As for the "actual flight path", I think you need to familiarize yourself with a map detailing the official flight path and the location of Indidan Lake relevant to that official path.

Or just keep believing falsehoods, just don't spread them, ok? My statement isn't false and your "reality" must be in your own delusions.

 

[theauthor]

For someone with "Philospher" below their name, you're not a very deep thinker, are you? There's clouds up in the sky in California. Are they *over* me? No, they're not. They aren't even *above* me. They're 3000 miles away from me. There's also clouds in the sky a half a mile away from me. Are they *over* or *above* me? That would be a big "NO" again...

As for the "actual flight path", I think you need to familiarize yourself with a map detailing the official flight path and the location of Indidan Lake relevant to that official path.

Or just keep believing falsehoods, just don't spread them, ok? My statement isn't false and your "reality" must be in your own delusions.

Wow, you are already owning these guys after a few posts. Good to have you here. I would just advise you not to let them provoke you into making attacks on them. They are constantly poised to report your posts and get you banned. Keep within the rules and report any attacks they make on you. The little red triangle under their post will let you report them.

Carry on

 

[beachnut]

For someone with "Philospher" below their name, you're not a very deep thinker, are you? There's clouds up in the sky in California. Are they *over* me? No, they're not. They aren't even *above* me. They're 3000 miles away from me. There's also clouds in the sky a half a mile away from me. Are they *over* or *above* me? That would be a big "NO" again...

As for the "actual flight path", I think you need to familiarize yourself with a map detailing the official flight path and the location of Indidan Lake relevant to that official path.

Or just keep believing falsehoods, just don't spread them, ok? My statement isn't false and your "reality" must be in your own delusions.

You have fantasy. You define the coordinate system, but essentially, half the universe is above me, and half is below; I can define it, you have failed. But the title is not my doing; but research seems to be your weak suit. Understanding is out of the question.

Please show us the official flight path. I doubt you have it.

BTW, yes there were military aircraft in the area... you can find that information through Google, if you're interested..

Not armed, not able to shoot down 93. Source?

oh, google? lol

 

[beachnut]

Wow, you are already owning these guys after a few posts. Good to have you here. I would just advise you not to let them provoke you into making attacks on them. They are constantly poised to report your posts and get you banned. Keep within the rules and report any attacks they make on you. The little red triangle under their post will let you report them.

Carry on

Wow, now you have posted another fact-less, evidence free statement on 9/11. Cool. Between the "ng" (aka, new blood/future "philosopher") and you, you have zero evidence so far to support your failed ideas.
Got some evidence to share about the fantasy shoot down? Nope. Ah, still fact free.

If you add your evidence together you still have the empty set.

 

[Unchained Spirit]

Wow, you are already owning these guys after a few posts. Good to have you here. I would just advise you not to let them provoke you into making attacks on them. They are constantly poised to report your posts and get you banned. Keep within the rules and report any attacks they make on you. The little red triangle under their post will let you report them.

Carry on

Thank you. I just like to keep the facts straight is all. I'm not biased, I'll call *anyone* on their BS if they're posting disinformation, or even half truths. The NTSB has a graphic out that shows the "official" flight path, and it comes from the opposite direction of Indian Lake, with the plane crashing *before* reaching the lake. Why would someone fishing at the marina see the plane come over him? Why would the marina owner and employees say they heard the plane come low over the building.. so low and loud that it shook the building? This doesn't jive well with the official flight path.

I won't be baited into making personal attacks on anyone because there's enough FACTS to refute their disinformation. I can attack the argument without attacking the arguer, as the rules state...

 

[beachnut]

Thank you. I just like to keep the facts straight is all. I'm not biased, I'll call *anyone* on their BS if they're posting disinformation, or even half truths. The NTSB has a graphic out that shows the "official" flight path, and it comes from the opposite direction of Indian Lake, with the plane crashing *before* reaching the lake. Why would someone fishing at the marina see the plane come over him? Why would the marina owner and employees say they heard the plane come low over the building.. so low and loud that it shook the building? This doesn't jive well with the official flight path.

I won't be baited into making personal attacks on anyone because there's enough FACTS to refute their disinformation. I can attack the argument without attacking the arguer, as the rules state...

Source the quote. You fail to understand, over. And you fail to source to the person who said over? Or are you just making up stuff as you go?

So far you have not posted an official flight path, or Stop's location on the lake, or his exact quote. His quote. But if you believe in 9/11 truth you have a problem.

Proof your ideas on 9/11 (if they are those of 9/11 truth, or similar) are false, fantasy and outright wrong, is the fact you have no Pulitzer Prize. Just like 9/11 truth. So keep on posting lies and messed up interpretations of the eyewitnesses until you gain some knowledge and the capability to use logic to come to rational conclusions. Good luck.

So when you finally find evidence, you will stop spreading lies about 9/11. But it takes real research and understanding. All of 9/11 truth fails to meet those requirements.

And before 93 crashed it was high in the sky to people on the lake; as high as 45 degrees which is very high considering we lack eyes on the top of our heads. You should take a course in aircraft accident investigation. You should also do your research before making up false ideas and statements.

FACT: Flight 93, was heading 80 to 180 degrees in the last 5 minutes, and was at a 120 degree before that, after the terrorist turned the plane around. So this messes up your right over stuff. Makes you ideas pure fantasy. As in junk.

 

[theauthor]

Thank you. I just like to keep the facts straight is all. I'm not biased, I'll call *anyone* on their BS if they're posting disinformation, or even half truths. The NTSB has a graphic out that shows the "official" flight path, and it comes from the opposite direction of Indian Lake, with the plane crashing *before* reaching the lake. Why would someone fishing at the marina see the plane come over him? Why would the marina owner and employees say they heard the plane come low over the building.. so low and loud that it shook the building? This doesn't jive well with the official flight path.

I won't be baited into making personal attacks on anyone because there's enough FACTS to refute their disinformation. I can attack the argument without attacking the arguer, as the rules state...

Dont worry im on your side. Ive just seen so many new people get banned because the deniers here constantly report their posts.

 

[funk de fino]

Sorry, no proof. Just contradictory statements that lead me to believe something was covered up.

Contradictory statements? Care to post them?

Any proof the clock for the seismic data was off? Or is that just a belief of yours?

The seismic data is your claim you have to show its relevant and accurate. Not good at this are you?

You understand my point, although you don't seem to realize it. If the last 3 minutes are missing, you will not hear a missile hitting.

FDR, I know you are avoiding this like the plague cause it destroys your fantasy.

What do you think is happening in the CVR that the relatives have heard and we have the transcripts for? What about the phone calls, specifically Jeremy Glicks?