Is jammonius the Judy? If so I must say welcome to this forum. I've been intrigued by your work for a long time
Also I agree, this thread should be split.
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[Split]Debris piles at GZ- split from: UL Moves For Sanctions Against Morgan Reynold
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Is jammonius the Judy? If so I must say welcome to this forum. I've been intrigued by your work for a long time
Also I agree, this thread should be split.
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I appreciate the thoughtful response, and apologise if the question was a little curt. But to generalise, I think the point I was making does stand.
There are certainly persuasive lines of thought that admit of the possibility of constructed reality. But they only persuade so far. There's never been any evidence of a large scale public event that has been 'semantically engineered' as something else for very long, or across different groups of people.
If you were telling me that the North Koreans had a deliberately induced delusion about what had happened, I would not consider it at all unlikely. But I cannot fathom how the populaces of all industrial powers (with their attendant developed systems of higher education) could possibly share in the same power-serving delusion. The world simply is not that monolithic. There are too many educated people that have not been subjected to the same 'media narrative', and many of them have an ideological predisposition to throwing rocks at America.
How can you possibly account for their silence?
There are certainly persuasive lines of thought that admit of the possibility of constructed reality. But they only persuade so far. There's never been any evidence of a large scale public event that has been 'semantically engineered' as something else for very long, or across different groups of people.
If you were telling me that the North Koreans had a deliberately induced delusion about what had happened, I would not consider it at all unlikely. But I cannot fathom how the populaces of all industrial powers (with their attendant developed systems of higher education) could possibly share in the same power-serving delusion. The world simply is not that monolithic. There are too many educated people that have not been subjected to the same 'media narrative', and many of them have an ideological predisposition to throwing rocks at America.
How can you possibly account for their silence?
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BenBurch
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Get it to me and I'll put it on a server for you.
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Thanks, Ben. Much appreciated.
It's on my work computer, as it came as an attachment to an e-mail from the fellow who took the photos, so I won't be able to do so until Monday when I'm back at the office, but I will send you a PM with my e-mail address so that you can let me know where to send it then.
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Really?
The Bowties are a good reference point since they are in all three pictures.
This last construction photo will confirm that the bowties were nearly 150 ft above ground level (basement) and construction docs show that the bowties were over 60 ft above what would be street level.
That, meaning the OSHA picture posted in conjunction with the quote from brainache, is a number of things, including by way of nonexhaustive example:
1 An undated telephoto closeup of a segment of highly deformed structural steel beam of the type tyat hollow aluminum aircrft cannot penetrate without intantaneous degredation of the aircraft.
2 A pile of debris, again undated, that appears to have been moved by machinery for further removal.
3 Deformed steel beam consistent with the claim that those lethality effects cannot have been caused by kerosene that cannot even damage steel, let alone deform, twist, warp and/or melt it in the manner shown to have happened to that which is seen.
4 Remanant steel similar to this additional steel sample showing effects consistent with the use of DEW
This is yet another highly revealing, although undated photo showing, amongother things:
1 'fuming' or what is called 'molecular dissociation' of materials still occurring at GZ as of the date of the undated photo. See far right hand side of picture in the center (horizontal axis).
2 that fuming is utterly inconsistent with a hyrocarbon based fire and cannot possibly be plain ordinary 'smoke.' The worker in the left foreground is wearing an appropriate respirator to provide some protection from that and other toxic effects of DEW. Unfortunately, there is no guarnantee that the person seen did not become seriously ill as a result of being exposed to the DEW toxicity.
3 Several cranes and 'earthmoving' equipment apparatus that are digging up contaminated remnants of GZ where dirt or soil has also been liberally applied as a part of that remediation process. Incidentally, it is not widely discussed, but dirt is to this day May, 2008, still being shipped in and out of GZ and puffs of fuming (albeit smaller now than was the case when this undated photo was taken) are STILL OCCURRING.
gmanontario
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Is there even one statement of truth in that post? 
The stupid..it burns...
The stupid..it burns...
Posting of the higher resolution photos would add to the quality of this discussion.
thanks
You may let your photographer know that the photographs taken, especially as you describe them, are much appreciated. You might want to refer your photographer to Dr. Wood's website with the suggestion that direct communication take place.
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Sorry, but your website is the LAST place I would ever refer anyone to, Judy. People tend not to appreciate being steered to ludicrous, nonsensical, batcrap crazy sites, after all.
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Your analysis goes in the right direction, but stops short of the logical conclusion, I think.
Silence is obtained through fear, broadly defined to include threats to livelihood, status and standing. The MIC is highly adept in compartmenting information such that many people, right down to and including those who may have, shall we say, pushed the buttons on 9/11 may not have known what they were actually doing.
Has the fact that so many war games or military drills, some with the scenarios eerily similar to what actually occurred were taking place on 9/11 struck you as an issue of importance?
From a participant's standpoint, how could a lot of them know if what they were doing was exercise or real world, if, in fact, their part in it was compartmentalized?
I am not asking these questions rhetorically. Rather, I am seeking answers to them and/or suggesting that those who know find the right way to reveal what they can.
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You are entitled to your opinion. Do as you see fit.
I prefer to be referred to as jammonius. It is not incumbent upon me to needlessly banter about height interpretation from photos. I have indicated that the photos confirm GZ was flat, as I see it. You did not contradict that claim for you cannot. I am saying what the photos appear to reveal, as I see it. You can claim that the photos show something else as can all other posters.
You did not persuade that the photo in question shows a debris pile of more than 1 storey. It doesn't. You said the photographer used special equipment, I suggested ongoing and further contact and you nixed the idea.
Other posters can then determine for themselves whether you're legitimately interested in pursuing this matter in a way that might advance the state of knowledge or whether you're just declaring yourself to be right and not permitting further collaborative research.
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Obviously you have never been up close and personal with a hollow aluminum aircraft. Any idea of the strength of the leading edge?
So, they moved it for a pic and then moved it again?
Who said kerosene? Massive collisions with all manner of falling debris.
You have not demonstrated anything is consistent with DEW. Do you have a verified picture of steel members this size being affected by DEW?
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I always do.
That said, can you provide any rational basis for suggesting that I should point anyone to your site, let alone encourage legitimate professionals in their fields to engage in discussion with you, given that your space beam theory is utterly ludicrous on its face, given that your website is utterly ludicrous and sadly pathetic on its face, and given that your assertions are entirely unfounded and unsupported?
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Jammonius is treating the term "directed energy weapon" as a sort of infinitely malleable concept to which (s)he can impute any properties at all which are required to maintain the conspiracist fantasy.
That's not gonna do; it's time to get specific.
So, what kind of energy does Jammonius claim was involved? Electromagnetic radiation? If so, what wavelength? Particle beams? If so, what sort of particles?
Why exactly should such a beam have "toxic effects"? What mechanism would produce these and how could they be detected and their source discovered?
Claiming "DEW" as an all-purpose does-whatever-you-want-it-to deus ex machina is nothing more than handwaving. Repeating "psyop" over and over isn't a "get out of facing reality" card, either.
So, Jammonius, what are the specifics of what you think happened at the WTC?
That's not gonna do; it's time to get specific.
So, what kind of energy does Jammonius claim was involved? Electromagnetic radiation? If so, what wavelength? Particle beams? If so, what sort of particles?
Why exactly should such a beam have "toxic effects"? What mechanism would produce these and how could they be detected and their source discovered?
Claiming "DEW" as an all-purpose does-whatever-you-want-it-to deus ex machina is nothing more than handwaving. Repeating "psyop" over and over isn't a "get out of facing reality" card, either.
So, Jammonius, what are the specifics of what you think happened at the WTC?
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I think we're talking past each other though.
I don't need to try hard to imagine a society in which a major tragedy could be distorted in the public discourse until it bore little resemblance to actual events - it happens all the time.
But the proposition I balk at is that you have evidence for this in these photos. These photos are available the world over. There are a great many very intelligent people, from various different specialities, who have no doubt gone over these photos with a fine-tooth comb - and have absolutely no fear whatsoever in discovering evidence of a conspiracy. No cognitive dissonance. No social fracture. The prospect of adulation, not censure, from superiors.
A large scale psychological operation to steer people away from noticing something untoward simply wouldn't work in a hostile power. You can't tell your engineering corps that America is the great Satan and we seek to undermine it, but not that hard because it wouldn't be patriotic. It would fall straight apart.
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