Fascist America, in 10 easy steps

[ronpaulisright]

You have been warned. If you fail to see the warning signs then you do that at your own risk. So please, look at the what's going on around you and you will see, america is steadily approaching a soft form of fascism. Any one that is labeled a "terrorist", can be sent to gitmo. How do you know EXACTLY whay gitmo is? It's secret. You don't know, I don't know so shut up about it! History shows that they're usually concentration camps/internment camps. I wish naomi would have brought up the asylum. You had jews fleeing to america before it was too late, and you have hundrends of iraqis fleeing to switzerland for asylum.

 

[Darth Rotor]

You had jews fleeing to america before it was too late, and you have hundrends of iraqis fleeing to switzerland for asylum.

Why don't the Iraqis flee to America? Are they worried about being around Jews, or is there something else going on?

 

[ronpaulisright]

Why don't the Iraqis flee to America? Are they worried about being around Jews, or is there something else going on?

You know the answer to that. Don't be coy.

 

[Travis]

You have been warned. If you fail to see the warning signs then you do that at your own risk.

Remember the people who were convinced the world would end at the turn of the millennium? Remember how foolish they looked? That's what happens when you see warning signs that aren't there and that is exactly the path you are on right now. We aren't laughing with you but at you.

So please, look at the what's going on around you and you will see, america is steadily approaching a soft form of fascism.

America is steadily approaching a soft form of fascism? Based on what? I look around me and you know what I see? I see the same America that was here ten, fifteen, twenty years ago. Sure the faces age with time and the giddy giggling children of twenty years ago are now having little giddy giggling kids of their own. But the trees still have vibrant leaves, the kids still play little league in the summer, the PTA still meets in the room at the school that has that smell no one's ever been able to get rid of and Mr Fulkerson still has that awful compost pile he insists on keeping and, to the distress of our noses, growing. What's changed? Where's the so called "soft fascism" that you go on about? I appreciate you are young, and as such are prone to seeing little changes as huge, potentially catastrophic even. But they aren't! Things do change and that is something you have to get used to.

I was once a young politically active firebrand myself. The night George W was declared victor I was stunned and......well scared. I was too young to remember much or Reagan or George H.W. Bush so Clinton was the only President I had really known. I was scared because for the brief time I had been into politics the idea had been to keep the conservatives out and like many I had constructed in my own mind many reasons why it would be disastrous to fail at that mission. I had visions of forced conversion to Protestant Christianity, of death camps for homosexuals, the banning of sex from movies, the end of legal abortions and so much more.

None of that happened.

You will eventually learn a maxim that will help you and, more often then not, be true. It is:

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Remember that.

Any one that is labeled a "terrorist", can be sent to gitmo.

Really. Why didn't Bush just have all his political opponents labeled "terrorists" and sent there. Would have made things much easier for him. Heck, why didn't they send this guy there?

How do you know EXACTLY whay gitmo is? It's secret.

Yeah, real secret. Look at it here, and tell me what neferarious purpose it's serving.

You don't know, I don't know so shut up about it! History shows that they're usually concentration camps/internment camps.

What? History shows that camps are usually concentration camps or that concentration camps are common? Either way that's wrong.

I wish naomi would have brought up the asylum. You had jews fleeing to america before it was too late, and you have hundrends of iraqis fleeing to switzerland for asylum.

Those Jews were fleeing an impending extermination of their race, so what are those Iraqis fleeing? The US?

 

[ronpaulisright]

Remember the people who were convinced the world would end at the turn of the millennium? Remember how foolish they looked? That's what happens when you see warning signs that aren't there and that is exactly the path you are on right now. We aren't laughing with you but at you.




America is steadily approaching a soft form of fascism? Based on what? I look around me and you know what I see? I see the same America that was here ten, fifteen, twenty years ago. Sure the faces age with time and the giddy giggling children of twenty years ago are now having little giddy giggling kids of their own. But the trees still have vibrant leaves, the kids still play little league in the summer, the PTA still meets in the room at the school that has that smell no one's ever been able to get rid of and Mr Fulkerson still has that awful compost pile he insists on keeping and, to the distress of our noses, growing. What's changed? Where's the so called "soft fascism" that you go on about? I appreciate you are young, and as such are prone to seeing little changes as huge, potentially catastrophic even. But they aren't! Things do change and that is something you have to get used to.

I was once a young politically active firebrand myself. The night George W was declared victor I was stunned and......well scared. I was too young to remember much or Reagan or George H.W. Bush so Clinton was the only President I had really known. I was scared because for the brief time I had been into politics the idea had been to keep the conservatives out and like many I had constructed in my own mind many reasons why it would be disastrous to fail at that mission. I had visions of forced conversion to Protestant Christianity, of death camps for homosexuals, the banning of sex from movies, the end of legal abortions and so much more.

None of that happened.

You will eventually learn a maxim that will help you and, more often then not, be true. It is:

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Remember that.



Really. Why didn't Bush just have all his political opponents labeled "terrorists" and sent there. Would have made things much easier for him. Heck, why didn't they send this guy there?



Yeah, real secret. Look at it here, and tell me what neferarious purpose it's serving.



What? History shows that camps are usually concentration camps or that concentration camps are common? Either way that's wrong.



Those Jews were fleeing an impending extermination of their race, so what are those Iraqis fleeing? The US?

Remember the people who were convinced the world would end at the turn of the millennium? Remember how foolish they looked? That's what happens when you see warning signs that aren't there and that is exactly the path you are on right now. We aren't laughing with you but at you.

lol. Incomparable. Look don't come crying to me when the **** hits the fan and you don't have a bomb shelter to go to. I'll be like "oh hey travis, you want what? stay in my bunker? well, remember I warned you about this whole thing but you were to busy being apathetic and watching pimp my ride? No travis you're not a total tool".

You're wrong about warning signs. If you read her book. She pretty much shows you the warning signs.

Those Jews were fleeing an impending extermination of their race, so what are those Iraqis fleeing?

The american terrorists.

What? History shows that camps are usually concentration camps or that concentration camps are common? Either way that's wrong.

History tells us that gitmo is an internment camp.

I had visions of forced conversion to Protestant Christianity, of death camps for homosexuals, the banning of sex from movies, the end of legal abortions and so much more.

That's because those ideas are nutty and are politically based. Mine are based on facts. (not entirely true, I see either hilary, obama, or mccain as provoking a huge war in the middle east, and I see in the future an assassination that starts the HUGE war)

You should read Sinclair lewis' book "It can't happen here" because that's exactly what you sound like. An ignoramus.

Keep watching American Idol.

 

[CHF]

ronpaulisright,

A few questions, if I may....

Why in your opinion is the march to facism taking so damn long?

Hitler turned Germany into a fascist state within a few short months of taking power, yet here we are, 6 1/2 years after 9/11, and we still find opponents of the current regime speaking freely, publishing literature, hosting their own TV/radio shows, teaching in schools, marching in the streets...

What gives? Is America going through a slow-motion fascist takeover? Is this a new kind of fascism that isn't evident in our day-to-day lives? Is it possible to live in a fascist tyranny and not know it?

You claim that Iraqis are fleeing the "the american terrorists." This begs an obvious questions. How do you square your theory with the fact that most of the Iraqi casualties have been the work of fellow Iraqis?

I'm sure you noticed that many Sunni militants in Anbar province have teamed up with the US Army in the past year, resulting in a dramatic decrease in US and Iraqi casualties. Wanna know why this has happened? Because the Sunnis fear Shiite militias and Al Qaeda fanatics more than they do US soldiers.

I'm sure you've also heard of the thousands of refugees who have returned to Baghdad in the past year - despite there being an increase in US troops in the city.

You'd find these things very telling if you weren't so fixated on your POV.

 

[RandFan]

Myself I agree that the USA under GWB is far more like a fascist state than it was previously, but it's still very much unlike full-blown fascism, and I'm not sure it's reasonable to think the trend will continue after the next Presidential election. Anything's possible but I currently see no strong reason to believe it.

As a former Bush defender I have to say that it is sobering to look at the last 7 years and Bush's attitude toward a number of American principles. Wolf's book is good in that it gets us talking about these issues. We should not be complacent When it comes to due process and our civil rights. When there are red flags we should be willing to consider whether or not they are bellweathers of worse things to come. I'm not opposed to raising the warning flag so long as we are reasonable in our concerns.

I agree with you. I think the trend will reverse after the next election. I think the system can and will work. It's not perfect but it does have some self correcting features. Go Obama.

 

[ronpaulisright]

Why in your opinion is the march to facism taking so damn long?

These things take time and are steps. It's hard work. Bush wants to be a dictator. He's even said it himself!

 

[ronpaulisright]

Those fellow iraqis were traitors. They switched sides and joined America. That is punishable by death in America too.

Treason makes you eligible for death. Look to your American history. It's there. I don't agree with it, but that's because I believe in world peace

 

[ronpaulisright]

As a former Bush defender I have to say that it is sobering to look at the last 7 years and Bush's attitude toward a number of American principles. Wolf's book is good in that it gets us talking about these issues. We should not be complacent When it comes to due process and our civil rights. When there are red flags we should be willing to consider whether or not they are bellweathers of worse things to come. I'm not opposed to raising the warning flag so long as we are reasonable in our concerns.

I agree with you. I think the trend will reverse after the next election. I think the system can and will work. It's not perfect but it does have some self correcting features. Go Obama.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!! so naive! How do you think obama has gotten as far as he has? I'll give you a hint, it has nothing to do with the American people.

name that tune......."meet the new boss. same as the old boss".

 

[Travis]

lol. Incomparable. Look don't come crying to me when the **** hits the fan and you don't have a bomb shelter to go to. I'll be like "oh hey travis, you want what? stay in my bunker? well, remember I warned you about this whole thing but you were to busy being apathetic and watching pimp my ride? No travis you're not a total tool".

You're wrong about warning signs. If you read her book. She pretty much shows you the warning signs.

I'm the tool!?! Whatever.

Just so we don't retread things, what signs does she write of that haven't been debunked here before?

The american terrorists.

So the Iraqis in Switzerland are fleeing a non-existent entity. Are you sure they aren't actually fleeing Iraqi sectarian violence or are they having to be institutionalized upon arrival?

History tells us that gitmo is an internment camp.

Really. So you don't think it's holding accused terrorists awaiting a trial?

That's because those ideas are nutty and are politically based. Mine are based on facts. (not entirely true, I see either hilary, obama, or mccain as provoking a huge war in the middle east, and I see in the future an assassination that starts the HUGE war)

OR your ideas are merely the plot of next seasons 24.

You should read Sinclair lewis' book "It can't happen here" because that's exactly what you sound like. An ignoramus.

You think I blindly support my leaders, did you miss the part where I talked of how I had tried to get Gore elected and was scared when Bush took over?

Keep watching American Idol.

I can't stand American Idol. I don't watch a whole lot of TV; House MD, Lost, The Office, South Park and Mythbusters and that's about it.

It's nice that you made yet another groundless presumption about me.

 

[RandFan]

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!! so naive! How do you think obama has gotten as far as he has? I'll give you a hint, it has nothing to do with the American people.

name that tune......."meet the new boss. same as the old boss".

It's amazing that you assert that America is corrupt yet for some odd reason we do pretty damn well. There are corrupt governments around the world that are hell holes yet America is ranked relatively high in HDI. For a corrupt government it sure delivers a lot to its citizens.

Perhaps it isn't as corrupt as Ron Paul thinks it is.

Also, please note, your post is simply rhetorical. You often don't make arguments but try and ridicule and intimidate. You know, like school children.

Hey, why not think for yourself, stop with the Ron Paul rhetoric, and joing us in the debate? Make an argument.

 

[ronpaulisright]

It's amazing that you assert that America is corrupt yet for some odd reason we do pretty damn well. There are corrupt governments around the world that are hell holes yet America is ranked relatively high in HDI. For a corrupt government it sure delivers a lot to its citizens.

Perhaps it isn't as corrupt as Ron Paul thinks it is.

Also, please note, your post is simply rhetorical. You often don't make arguments but try and ridicule and intimidate. You know, like school children.

Hey, why not think for yourself, stop with the Ron Paul rhetoric, and joing us in the debate? Make an argument.

pretty damn well

Yeah, if you're comparing America to Somalia. But if you compare america to new zealand...No.

 

[ronpaulisright]

I'm the tool!?! Whatever.

Just so we don't retread things, what signs does she write of that haven't been debunked here before?



So the Iraqis in Switzerland are fleeing a non-existent entity. Are you sure they aren't actually fleeing Iraqi sectarian violence or are they having to be institutionalized upon arrival?




Really. So you don't think it's holding accused terrorists awaiting a trial?



OR your ideas are merely the plot of next seasons 24.



You think I blindly support my leaders, did you miss the part where I talked of how I had tried to get Gore elected and was scared when Bush took over?



I can't stand American Idol. I don't watch a whole lot of TV; House MD, Lost, The Office, South Park and Mythbusters and that's about it.

It's nice that you made yet another groundless presumption about me.

I had tried to get Gore elected

That means you fell for the puppet system. "I think the puppet on the left shares my beliefs". It's ok. Like you said. You were young.

Gore is no different from the other scum suckers in this race.

So you don't think it's holding accused terrorists awaiting a trial?

Hardly.

 

[RandFan]

Yeah, if you're comparing America to Somalia. But if you compare america to new zealand...No.

Compared to anyone!

#1 is .968
America is #13 and is .949
New Zealand is #19 and is .943

We're doing damn good. We good do better and our trend isn't great at the moment.

 

[ronpaulisright]

Randfan thinks america is doing good. lol. Are country is going bankrupt and he thinks that that is damn good. LOL!

 

[RandFan]

Randfan thinks america is doing good. lol. Are country is going bankrupt and he thinks that that is damn good. LOL!

I'm giving you data. Facts. What are you giving? Rhetoric.

I don't like the direction of our country. I don't claim everything is fine. I'm saying that by any comparison we are doing relatively well. We have the means to fix our problems. Hell, if we didn't then Ron Paul wouldn't even try to become president.

So, in the end, your argument is just a straman.

 

[RandFan]

Are country is going bankrupt and he thinks that that is damn good.

BTW, what does "are country" mean?

 

[ronpaulisright]

BTW, what does "are country" mean?

*our.

 

[Travis]

That means you fell for the puppet system. "I think the puppet on the left shares my beliefs". It's ok. Like you said. You were young.

Gore is no different from the other scum suckers in this race.

Here's a thought. Perhaps the reason the politicians tend to have somewhat similar views is because there are only so many correct ways to do things.

"Everyone puts their socks on one foot at a time, what puppets!"

Hardly.

Then who do you think is being held in Gitmo and why do you think they are there?