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Most atheists do not know what science says about our origins

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Ichneumonwasp said:
Um, what? In post 1707 you said: By you. Then you took a quote from someone else and mangled it. You presented none of my logic. Would you like to try again? There is nothing silly about the proposition that science cannot absolutely disprove the existence of faeries, though. Why would you have a problem with that?
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Nope.

Your quote.

Your logic.

Sorry about your inability to understand what you are writing.
 
arthwollipot said:
That premise is indeed silly and ridiculous, and it was not the premise proposed. The premise proposed is that science cannot demonstrate the nonexistence of something. It can only demonstrate the existence of something. So in the case of fairies (or bigfoot), it is up to the proponents of fairy theory to demonstrate that they exist. It is not up to science to demonstrate that they don't.
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I agree with you. As such, Ichneumonwasp needs to demonstrate that life comes from non-life.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
Nope.

Your quote.

Your logic.

Sorry about your inability to understand what you are writing.
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I stand corrected about it being someone else's quote. It didn't sound like me, but I did write it. You still mangled it, though. I know very well what that quote said, but you misinterpreted it badly.

I'm not sure where the difficulty in communication comes from.

To say that abiogenesis is possible, it is not necessary that one demonstrate that it has already occurred in the lab. My problem with your wording is that you continually say that the evidence shows that life can only come from life. The proper phrase should rather be: the only evidence that we have is that life comes from life. With that I can agree. We simply do not have evidence one way or the other concerning life from non-life in any absolute sense.
 
The most beautiful sound I ever heard:
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All the beautiful sounds of the world in a single word:
Ignore, Ignore, Ignore, Ignore.


Paul

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Let’s see, the universe hasn’t been here forever, now there is life, the earth hasn’t been here forever, now there is life.

Paul

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Ichneumonwasp said:
Wait, I need to demonstrate that life comes from non-life in order to argue that it might be possible for life to arise from non-life? Would you care to explain that to me?
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It might be possible that fairies exist. :confused:


Science only evidences that life only comes from life. As such I subscribe to the thought that life only comes from life, I do not believe in fairies.
 
Paulhoff said:
The most beautiful sound I ever heard:
Ignore, Ignore, Ignore, Ignore.
All the beautiful sounds of the world in a single word:
Ignore, Ignore, Ignore, Ignore.


Paul

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Paulhoff, I have always and will continue to like you. Here you are making a mockery of yourself with your constant blather. :blush:
 
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Radioactive decay constants are...well constants. Only something that can affect an atom on the nuclear scale can change that...and it would have to transmutate the atom into something else. SOoooooooooooooo, uranium 238 is going to decay at a specific rate until it is gone unless it is put into a reactor or gets hit by a cosmic ray and becomes something else. Heating and cooling does not affect radioactive decay.

Take a look at this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argon-argon_dating

there are multiple methods for dating the earth and things....and they all agree.

glenn
 
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Radioactive decay constants are...well constants. Only something that can affect an atom on the nuclear scale can change that...and it would have to transmutate the atom into something else. SOoooooooooooooo, uranium 238 is going to decay at a specific rate until it is gone unless it is put into a reactor or gets hit by a cosmic ray and becomes something else. Heating and cooling does not affect radioactive decay.

Take a look at this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argon-argon_dating

there are multiple methods for dating the earth and things....and they all agree.

glenn
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Outside of speed, which will slow it down, and gravity will slow it down too. But since we are going at the same speed and are in the same gravity field, the half life is in agreement with all predictions.

Paul

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joobz said:
outside a particle collider, yes.
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Are you familiar with polonium?

A note on the half-life of 209Po

Abstract

The widely adopted value of (102±5) a for the 209Po half-life, which is based on a single determination reported in 1956, appears to be in error by a large factor. Decay data from two separate primary standardizations of a 209Po solution standard, conducted approximately 12 years apart, are inconsistent with the adopted value and its assigned uncertainty. An estimated half-life, larger than the adopted value by about 25%, is more consistent with the standardization data. A longer half-life is also supported by measurements on a recently standardized 210Pb solution standard.
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JEROME DA GNOME said:
It might be possible that fairies exist. :confused:
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Yes, technically it might be possible that faeries exist. We are almost 100% certain they do not.


Science only evidences that life only comes from life.
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No. Science only shows evidence to date that life comes from life. There is a difference in the two statements.


As such I subscribe to the thought that life only comes from life, I do not believe in fairies.
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Well, you can believe whatever you want to believe; how faeries come into that formulation I have no idea. But to believe possible only that which has been shown to be the case removes all potential progress from the table.

I will leave you to your sterile world.
 
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Radioactive decay constants are...well constants. Only something that can affect an atom on the nuclear scale can change that...and it would have to transmutate the atom into something else. SOoooooooooooooo, uranium 238 is going to decay at a specific rate until it is gone unless it is put into a reactor or gets hit by a cosmic ray and becomes something else. Heating and cooling does not affect radioactive decay.
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Cosmic rays can change the rate?
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
I agree with you. As such, Ichneumonwasp needs to demonstrate that life comes from non-life.
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Ichneumonwasp said:
Wait, I need to demonstrate that life comes from non-life in order to argue that it might be possible for life to arise from non-life? Would you care to explain that to me?
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JEROME DA GNOME said:
It might be possible that fairies exist. :confused:

Science only evidences that life only comes from life. As such I subscribe to the thought that life only comes from life, I do not believe in fairies.
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Then you will never be open to a range of potential scientific discoveries. You are closing off all avenues of scientific investigation by saying that since there is no evidence of fairies, they absolutely positively do not exist.

Jerome, please answer a question for me. It appears to me that all you have done here is argue against. What in the blue frozen hells is your position? What are you arguing for?
 
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