Is 1908 kg of explosives enough to bring down a WTC Tower?

an impact with Kinetic Eenrgy of 2093 pounds of TNT and 315 TONS of TNT heat from 10,000 gallons of jet fuel is.

Ask a CD expert.

1908 kg, 4206 pounds.

25,000,000 pounds cause a WTC floor to fail, essentially destroying the whole WTC tower.
 
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Dictator Cheney said:
what, i must have been drunk, where did i claim freefall?
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Sorry for the misunderstanding; I wasn't talking about you. I'm just giving you an example.

Depending on what you consider to be "evidence" for controlled demolition, it may influence how much explosives would've been required. See what I'm saying?

Another example, suppose (HYPOTHETICALLY) you believed that "molten steel" was proof of controlled demolition. We would then have to determine how much of, and what kind of, destructive device could create that much molten steel, and KEEP it molten for so long.

So the question you must ask yourself is:

1) Do you believe there is any evidence for controlled demolition?
2) If you do, what is it?
 
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1337m4n said:
Sorry for the misunderstanding; I wasn't talking about you. I'm just giving you an example.

Depending on what you consider to be "evidence" for controlled demolition, it may influence how much explosives would've been required. See what I'm saying?

Another example, suppose (HYPOTHETICALLY) you believed that "molten steel" was proof of controlled demolition. We would then have to determine how much of, and what kind of, destructive device could create that much molten steel, and KEEP it molten for so long.

So the question you must ask yourself is:

1) Do you believe there is any evidence for controlled demolition?
2) If you do, what is it?
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oh sorry :) didnt get it :blush:

i dont think there is evidence for a controlled demolition.
 
Dictator Cheney said:
Would 1908 kg of CHARGE CUTTING LINEAR be enough to bring down a WTC Tower?
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I suppose that depends on which TM talking points you're hoping to explain.

Is this amount of explosives supposed to be enough to blast all concrete into dust?

Is it enough to blast massive beams in all directions?

Is it also a small enough amount that it didn't make the standard series of deafening BANGS as it went off?
 
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2700 lbs/1225kg above floor 80 should do it. (I did the calculations awhile back and I don't know if I saved them) If any one doubts this I'll happily retract this statement before calculating this ridicules fantasy again.
 
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DGM said:
2,700 tons? Where was that?
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Typo, meant 270 tons. The amount needed for the WTC. I was talking while typing and made a completely incoherent post.


Let'a all keep in mind that the claim of explosives was NOT simply about getting it to come down. It was about the speed of the collapse. So it's not as simple as calculating enough explosives just to start a progressive collapse, but instead to move the building out of the way and create a vacume that pulls the building down faster than it should fallen from a progressive collapse. That means having to take out every other floor or so, not simply taker out the minimum key supports.
 
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Jonnyclueless said:
Typo, meant 270 tons. The amount needed for the WTC. I was talking while typing and made a completely incoherent post.


Let'a all keep in mind that the claim of explosives was NOT simply about getting it to come down. It was about the speed of the collapse. So it's not as simple as calculating enough explosives just to start a progressive collapse, but instead to move the building out of the way and create a vacume that pulls the building down faster than it should fallen from a progressive collapse. That means having to take out every other floor or so, not simply taker out the minimum key supports.
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2,728 lb?
 
scissorhands said:
Im asking you, DC.
If you think that it isnt, then best explain how many more floors needed to be rigged with a similar amount of explosives??
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i indeed doubt to see a collapse like we saw on 9/11 in such a case.
i dont know how many floors would be need to be blown out in a top down demolition.
 
Okay, I'm known around these parts to not be a tr00ther, so let me ask a related question that I think might be what DC is asking:

Hypothetically, what is the smallest amount of explosives that could be placed in any configuration with unlimited access and no time constrainsts that would bring down a building similar to one of the towers?

I assume that in a real CD, placement of explosives is much more important than the total weight of explosives. Thus, I expect that this number would be surprisingly low.

If the question cannot be answered by anyone except a demolitions expert, please let me know. I don't know if this is the type of thing an engineering-minded person can figure out or if it requires real specialized knowledge.
 
Dictator Cheney said:
but when talking about CT's i often hear it would need a huge amount of explosives. so i wondered how much would that be?
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The claim we've heard from the CTers is that the energy released in the collapses wouldn't be enough to pulverize the concrete to dust, therefore it must have been explosives. The counter to that claim is that if the gravitational potential energy wasn't enough, it would take something like a million pounds of explosives per tower to have more energy than that, therefore their claim would require a completely insane amount of explosives.

The question of the minimum it would take if strategically placed, and with no worry about collateral damage to other buildings, is different. I don't have a hard time believing that 2000 kg of high explosives could do it, if you placed 40 kg properly on each core column. Would make a hell of a bang, though.
 
Dictator Cheney said:
2,728 lb?
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So 2.7 tons for a 438ft building.

Now we're talking about 2 1360ft buildings. And we're not talking about simply getting it to come own. We're talking about creating a vacume on each floor to suck it down faster than free fall. So we aren't just worried about getting it down, but we now have to move the debris outwards out of the way of the building to get it up in speed.

So about 270 tons sounds about right.
 
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