'Molten' metal found at WTC 1, 2, and 7, 8 weeks after 9-11?

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This twoofer showed me these two videos of 'molten' metal found at Ground Zero 8 weeks after the 9-11 attacks.





What's your take on this one? Can you give me an explanation about this?
 
Nothing to see here. Just molten aluminum flowing like lava for weeks after the collapse....:boggled:
 
This video just pushes old, long answered canards.

First of all, molten metal could indeed have formed in the rubble piles post collapse. KBR SH&E recorded underground temperature ranges "to more than 2,800F" (Professional Safety, May 2002, "SH&E at Ground Zero). So that's no surprise. It doesn't butress the theories of thermite one whit, since the metal could have easily melted post collapse, and the thermite/thermate theories still suffer from all the arguments against them, not to mention the lack of any characteristic signatures on the debris that was recovered and studied. The burden of proof still rests on the fantasists to prove that thermite/thermate was used in the towers collapse, and this video isn't it.

Also, note how Steven Jones jumps from "molten metal" to "molten steel". Steel wasn't the only metal present in the towers. That's a handwave right there. The entire facade, if I remember correctly, was aluminum (others can either correct or go into more depth for me).

On top of that: Thermite burns out in seconds. By admission, the pools were witnessed weeks after the collapse. What kept them molten? The hot fires mentioned above. Why couldn't they have been molten prior to settling in the debris piles? I don't know, but the burden of proof about that rests on the truthers, and they're trying the reverse here: Use these sightings as proof steel melting caused the collapse. These sightings do not support that.

And: Thermate? Where's the barium signature then? This cherry picking of characteristics was debunked a long time ago. The sulfur noted could have come from various, more probable sources: Drywall, acid rain, computer monitors, diesel emissions...

There's really nothing new here. Just search this forum for "molten metal" and "molten steel", thermite, thermate, sulfur, etc., to see the arguments. And note the dates; I'm not kidding when I say this is old fantasy.
 
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Ask a CTist to show a single instance of controlled demolition that produced this effect. Never happens. Maybe it had something to do with the fires and all the flammable material that was left from the collapses.
 
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Ask the guy why the video of molten metal has no video of molten metal in it.

And this video is by a woman who's proof of a controlled demolition is that most people can't say "kunkity-klunk) for each floor in the time the buildings collapsed. A woman who's claim of thermite is the sulfer found. The most common material found in constructions.
 
Well, it shows that any molten metal was not the product of therm(insert vowel of choice here)te, since that carries its own oxidizer, and burns out very quickly.
However, oxygen-starved fires, such as those in the rubble piles, or underground garbage fires other places, or even underground coal seam fires, can burn for a very long time. They can get very hot, because unlike a fire out in the open, they lose the heat they generate very slowly, since they are insulated by the stuff covering them. Their hot exhaust products work their way slowly through the surrounding pile, heating it instead of losing the energy immediately to convection. Incoming air is also warmed as it works its way slowly through the hot pile. They don't generate heat as fast as a stoichometric burn would, but if they lose heat slowly enough, temperatures become very high in spite of that.
There were many materials in the towers that melt at much lower temperatures than steel. Lead from computer UPS backup batteries, copper from pipe and wiring, aluminum from the external cladding. So molten metals of some description are not completely unlikely. Melted globs of copper and aluminum are found after conventional house fires, for example.
OTOH, many of the stories seem to be of the "somebody told me they saw" variety, rather than well documented testimony.
So could there have been pools of metal? Possibly.
Were there pools of metal? I don't know. It doesn't do anything to increase the probability of a government conspiracy even if there were.
 
This video is proof of controlled demolition the way an episode of Superman is proof Kryptonians can fly.
 
lets see what we got here. A burning pile of debris fueled by plastics carpets, furniture, av gas, in a sub grade slurry wall bathtub. Partially collapsed sub basements and concourse levels. intersecting subway, pedestrian, utility and path tunnels. which makes it a what?

A puddling furnace!

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Nothing to see here. Just molten aluminum flowing like lava for weeks after the collapse.


Is there any reason to think that this phenomenon is incompatible with a non-conspiratorial sequence of events?
 
This twoofer showed me these two videos of 'molten' metal found at Ground Zero 8 weeks after the 9-11 attacks.





What's your take on this one? Can you give me an explanation about this?

This is an excellent question and one that has been asked repeatedly. As yet I have not seen an adequate answer.

How does molten metal of any description, found weeks after the towers collapsed in anyway add to the plausibility that they were brought down by CD? I simply cannot see how it does, I cannot see how explosives/thermite/space beams or whatever the twoofers suggest brought down the towers can in anyway contribute to molten metal weeks afterwards.

Maybe somebody will explain why it is important.
 
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This is an excellent question and one that has been asked repeatedly. As yet I have not seen an adequate answer.

How does molten metal of any description, found weeks after the towers collapsed in anyway add to the plausibility that they were brought down by CD? I simply cannot see how it does, I cannot see how explosives/thermite/space beams or whatever the twoofers suggest brought down the towers can in anyway contribute to molten metal weeks afterwards.

Maybe somebody will explain why it is important.


Yeah the only way to make this relevant is to show other collapsed buildings and see if there any similarities. Just looking at this one pile can't really prove anything, yet I wasn't aware that it was ever considered a strong point in the CT community
 
Yeah the only way to make this relevant is to show other collapsed buildings and see if there any similarities. Just looking at this one pile can't really prove anything, yet I wasn't aware that it was ever considered a strong point in the CT community
It's and oldie but goodie. They connected the hydrocarbon fires couldn't get hot enough so how did the piles get so hot. Had to be "thermite". I think it was Jones that included it in one of his earlier papers.
 
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This is an excellent question and one that has been asked repeatedly. As yet I have not seen an adequate answer.

How does molten metal of any description, found weeks after the towers collapsed in anyway add to the plausibility that they were brought down by CD? I simply cannot see how it does, I cannot see how explosives/thermite/space beams or whatever the twoofers suggest brought down the towers can in anyway contribute to molten metal weeks afterwards.

Maybe somebody will explain why it is important.

Jone's response to that is that Thermite melts steel and thus the melted metal would be explained by the use of thermite.
 

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