Creationism in Oklahoma Schools?

Sunni Man said:
You are wrong. Most of the world believes just like me.
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I have no idea if this statement is true, but whether it is or not, allow me to place emphasis on the proper word here. What people believe about the nature of the universe is all well and good, but when it flies in the face of actual knowledge of the universe, rational people don't look to the belief as though it is correct. People can, have and do believe all sorts of things that are contradicted by the evidence that science has produced. When that happens, would you have us ignore the evidence, and hold to the beliefs, no matter how irrational or unfounded? Do we apply that approach to all of science, or only the parts that you find personally offensive?

You are free to follow whatever belief system makes sense to you. You are not free to redefine scientific principles, methods or discoveries to make them fit within your belief system, to the detriment of the education of others.

Sorry for the derail.
 
SezMe said:
I asked the question of YOU. I assume that you are capable of thinking outside of Islam. Is that an incorrect assumption?
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From what I understand modern thought says the universe is something like 14.5 billion years old.

That's personally OK with me, and also doesn't contradict the Qur'an.
 
Sunni Man said:
Says what authority, You?!!
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You're not getting it, Sunni.

Read what I wrote again. You are free to believe anything that suits you, even if the evidence we've found makes it highly unlikely that what you believe is "The Truth". Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, and that's a great thing.

However, that doesn't extend you the privilege of changing science to fit into your world view. The "authority" you're talking about is the scientific community, who established what a theory was long before we were around to debate it. Your use of the term is simply incorrect.

Anyway, back onto subject. Mason's post makes this a bit more interesting, because I start to wonder why this act was introduced in the first place if it wasn't aimed at changing how students get graded. I'm no expert, but I thought existing Constitutional law would cover the scenarios mentioned outside the classroom. If so, is this change really needed? What purpose would it serve?
 
Tumblehome said:
I didn't think so, especially if "day" could mean billions of years. I gather that the Qur'an can't be relied upon for reliable information.
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There is the word for day meaning 24 hours on the earth.

But what is being said is that God doesn't reside on the earth. So what would be a day to him is unknown.
 
Sunni Man said:
Why be so hateful and intolerant of others, just because they disagree with you?
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That shoe pinches when it's on your foot, I see.

Tolerance means only that you have the right to express your opinions. It doesn't mean I lose the right to express mine.
 
slingblade said:
That shoe pinches when it's on your foot, I see.

Tolerance means only that you have the right to express your opinions. It doesn't mean I lose the right to express mine.
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I guess when I hear intolerant statements I get offended.

I am one of the most tolerant people you will ever meet.

And have a real problem with bigoted and intolerant people and statements.
 
Sunni Man said:
I guess when I hear intolerant statements I get offended.

I am one of the most tolerant people you will ever meet.

And have a real problem with bigoted and intolerant people and statements.
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So do I, it's why I do not like you, attack your lies, notify others about the site that you keep avoiding and may start hunting for others. You would not recognize tolerance if it ate you alive in very small bites.:)
 
Sunni Man said:
I guess when I hear intolerant statements I get offended. I am one of the most tolerant people you will ever meet.
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You also claimed in another thread that gays should have "the gay beaten out of them". That's not tolerant.
 
Sunni Man said:
I guess when I hear intolerant statements I get offended.

I am one of the most tolerant people you will ever meet.

And have a real problem with bigoted and intolerant people and statements.
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People are still taking this guy seriously, right?
 
Sunni Man said:
There is the word for day meaning 24 hours on the earth.

But what is being said is that God doesn't reside on the earth. So what would be a day to him is unknown.
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If it's so indeterminate, why is it called a "day", then? Why not epoch, or eon, or whatever.

It still demonstrates that we Earthlings can't rely on the Qur'an for information on the Universe.
 
Tumblehome said:
If it's so indeterminate, why is it called a "day", then? Why not epoch, or eon, or whatever.

It still demonstrates that we Earthlings can't rely on the Qur'an for information on the Universe.
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I agree, epoch, eon, or whatever sounds so much more precise and accurate.
 
If you don't even know what the Qur'an means by a "day", how can you claim to know anything it says?
 
Until these whack jobs can come up with some real physical evidence of their 6000 year old, human riding dinosaur world...it should stay in their own homes and out of the public education system period without any ands, ifs or buts on anyone's account. Ok express your religion, but keep it out of the class room I pay to be in.
 
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