Zeuzz, while we are in the question of "scalability" and its application to cosmology:
Have you considered gravitation scalability and its application to cosmology?
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So post your support of plasma scalability including forces from the real world - including gravity.
So you admit that only EM forces are considered. A partial model is even worse than a wrong model since it wastes peoples time.
Please learn some elementary physics or better English.
What the hell are you talking about? are you seriously suggesting that Peratt just forgot to include the force of gravity in his model? I have continually asked to to actually read and try to comprehend his work, but its obviously completely above your head.
I'll have one more go. (both papers can be seen in full in the links supplied above)
Evolution of the plasma universe. I - Double radio galaxies, quasars, and extragalactic jets - Section III and IV contains the relevant relationships and the simulation parameters used in the supcomputer model. As requested I posted above the necissary plasma scaling laws, and i really cant be bothered to post his material in its entirity, so i suggest you actually read what he is saying.
Evolution of the plasma universe. II - The formation of systems of galaxies Looks at how these models can create the shapes of various generation of galaxies, and expands on the EM relationships between plasma's addressed in the previous paper.
r HE evolution of cosmic plasma from a filamentary 1 state to the development of double radio sources and quasars was investigated in the first part to this sequel paper (Paper I) [1]. The time frame of this study, based upon scaling simulation parameters to galactic dimensions, spanned some 108-109 years. In this paper (Paper II), the evolution for the next 1-5 x 109 years under the influence of electromagnetic forces acting on the plasma
is investigated. The importance of electromagnetic forces in galactic and stellar evolution derives from the fact that the universe is largely matter in its plasma state. The observed stars are composed of plasmas, as are the interstellar and interplanetary media and the outer atmospheres of planets.
The neutral Hi regions in galaxies are also plasma although the degree of ionization is probably only 10-4. Both the intra- and intergalactic media then consist of plasma, leading to the coinage of the term "plasma universe." Electromagnetic forces can then be expected to play a crucial role in the development of the plasma universe including both the formation of systems of galaxies and the formation of stars within the dusty galactic plasmas.
Although the gravitational force is weaker than the electromagnetic force by 39 orders of magnitude, gravitation is one of the dominant forces in astrophysics when electromagnetic forces neutralize each other, as is the case when large bodies form [5]. Indicative of the analogy of forces for the motion of electrons and ions in the electromagnetic field and the motion of large bodies in the gravitational field is the ease with which a plasma model may be changed to a gravitational model. This transformation requires only a change of sign in the (electrostatic) potential calculation such that like particles attract instead of repel, followed by setting the charge-to-mass ratio equal to the square root of the gravitational constant (a gravitational model cannot be simply changed to an electromagnetic model as the full set of Maxwell's equations are required in the latter). [....]
It is the purpose of this paper to continue the investigation of the dynamics of the denser interacting plasmas pinched within the filaments by means of the electromagnetic and gravitational force laws. That this is possible is due largely to the advent of the particle simulation of dynamic systems in three dimensions on large computers, allowing the computation of up to many millions of charge and mass particles according to their respective force laws. This approach to the study of cosmic plasma is labeled "gravito-electrodynamics" [8].
And for some further reading, and an expansion on the EM forces involved in this galaxy model, may I suggest
The role of particle beams and electrical currents in the plasma universe (can be seen in full
here
3-dimensional particle-in-cell simulations of spiral galaxies - Galactic and intergalactic magnetic fields; Proceedings of the 140th Symposium of IAU
Rotation Velocity and Neutral Hydrogen Distribution Dependency on Magnetic Field Strength in Spiral Galaxies - Astrophysics and Space Science, Volume 227, Issue 1-2, pp. 167-173, 1995
Peratt included standard gravity as a vital variable in his model, and it did have an effect on the shape of the galaxy, although the EM forces in the plasma were shown to dominate the overall morphology.
You are a joke reality check. Every comment you have posted since my previous reply to sols little challenge has been either completely misrepresenting the material presented, or just make arguments on authority. Ever heard of a logical fallacy? If you cant dismiss the message, shoot the messsenger.
If you think this is such a bad scientific model with no merit, then please add your
scientific objections to it. For the twentieth time. Hand waving and just saying "this paper only has twenty citations, so therfore it must be wrong" is one of the stupidest reasons to dismiss material I have heard in a long time. There is a good reason why they have not been cited as much as other papers on mainstream scientific subjects, as they contradict the gravity driven Big Bang picture that nearly every scientist in the world has been educated to believe. It seems that many scientists like Peratts work, and many have contributed to this controversial field since his original publications.
I suggest you read some of the articles that have cited peratts work, including some of the recent independant plasma astrophysicists that are expanding on his model. And the two papers I cited above are not the only ones, there are many others if you would care to look at them aswell (i'm not holding my breath). Heres just a couple;
Are rotation curves in NGC 6946 and the Milky Way magnetically supported? Astronomische Nachrichten, Vol.328, Issue 1, p.92-98 (AN Homepage) 01/2007.
The inner disk rotation of NGC 6946 and the Milky Way is dominated by gravity but magnetism is not negligible at radii where the rotation curve becomes flat, and indeed could become dominant at very large radii. Values of the order of 1 μG, or even less, produce a centripetal force when the absolute value of the slope of the curve [B_ǎrphi, R] (azimuthal field strength versus radius) is less than the slope of a B_ǎrphi-profile proportional to R-1. The ∝ R-1-profile is here called the critical profile. From the hypothesis of magnetically driven rotation curves, the following is to be expected: at large radii, a ``subcritical'' profile (slope flatter than R-1); at still larger radii a B_ǎrphi-profile becoming asymptotically critical as the density becomes asymptotically vanishing. Recent observations of magnetic fields in NGC 6946 and the Milky Way are in very good agreement with these predictions.
Magnetic fields and large scale structure in a hot universe. I. General equations. - Astronomy and Astrophysics, v.326, p.13-22
We consider that no mean magnetic field exists during this epoch, but that there is a mean magnetic energy associated with large-scale magnetic inhomogeneities. We study the evolution of these inhomogeneities and their influence on the large scale density structure, by introducing linear perturbations in Maxwell equations, the conservation of momentum-energy equation, and in Einstein field equations. The primordial magnetic field structure is time independent in the linear approximation, only being diluted by the general expansion, so that {vec}(B) R^2^ is conserved in comoving coordinates. Magnetic fields have a strong influence on the formation of large-scale structure. Firstly, relatively low fields are able to generate density structures even if they were inexistent at earlier times. Second, magnetic fields act anisotropically more recently, modifying the evolution of individual density clouds. Magnetic flux tubes have a tendency to concentrate photons in filamentary patterns.
The physics of fast Z pinches - Reviews of Modern Physics, vol. 72, Issue 1, pp. 167-223 - 01/2000
The spectacular progress made during the last few years in reaching high energy densities in fast implosions of annular current sheaths (fast Z pinches) opens new possibilities for a broad spectrum of experiments, from x-ray generation to controlled thermonuclear fusion and astrophysics. At present Z pinches are the most intense laboratory x-ray sources (1.8 MJ in 5 ns from a volume 2 mm in diameter and 2 cm tall). Powers in excess of 200 TW have been obtained. This warrants summarizing the present knowledge of physics that governs the behavior of radiating, current-carrying plasma in fast Z pinches. This survey covers essentially all aspects of the physics of fast Z pinches: initiation, instabilities of the early stage, magnetic Rayleigh-Taylor instability in the implosion phase, formation of a transient quasiequilibrium near the stagnation point, and rebound. Considerable attention is paid to the analysis of hydrodynamic instabilities governing the implosion symmetry. Possible ways of mitigating these instabilities are discussed. Nonmagnetohydrodynamic effects (anomalous resistivity, generation of particle beams, etc.) are summarized. Various applications of fast Z pinches are briefly described. Scaling laws governing development of more powerful Z pinches are presented.
Magnetism in the spiral galaxy NGC 6946: magnetic arms, depolarization rings, dynamo modes, and helical fields - Astronomy and Astrophysics, Volume 470, Issue 2, August I 2007, pp.539-556
Context: The spiral galaxy NGC 6946 hosts magnetic spiral arms, highly aligned magnetic fields between the gas/optical arms. Aims: The origin of the magnetic phenomena and their relation to the interstellar gas are investigated. Methods: NGC 6946 was observed in total intensity and linear polarization in five radio bands between 3 cm and 21 cm. Maps of spectral index, Faraday rotation and depolarization were derived. Results: At the inner edge of the inner gas spiral arm the ordered magnetic field is only mildly compressed and turns smoothly, to become aligned along the gas arm. Hence the field is not shocked and is probably connected to the warm, diffuse gas. At larger radii, two bright magnetic arms between the optical arms are visible in polarized intensity. The field in the northern magnetic arm is almost totally aligned. - In the gas/optical spiral arms, the total (mostly turbulent) magnetic field is amplified to ≃20 μG. Its energy density is ≃10 times larger than that of the ionized gas and is similar to that of the turbulent gas motions in the inner galaxy. The magnetic energy exceeds that of the turbulent energy in the outer galaxy. All energy densities in NGC 6946 are about one order of magnitude larger than those in the Milky Way. Conclusions: Density waves in the inner gaseous spiral arms mildly compress the field. Dynamo action probably generates the magnetic spiral arms. The magnetic field is dynamically important, interacts with the gas flow and possibly determines the properties of the gas spiral arms.