The case against Dr. Paul

[mortimer]

You seem to be derailing the conversation because Dave has infact made a point. You are purposely pointing out and trying to discuss his mute opinion about our society and its possible leading into fascism when it infact has nothing to do with the general tone of the conversation.

I was simply asking how his opinion (which, by the way, was not presented as opinion) was valid. If it's a derail to ask about his opinion, then it was a derail for him to mention his opinion in the first place.

He stated an opinion at the end of a post that was making a point that held weight in the current conversation/debate.
Your failing ability to acknowledge the point or have any type of response to its validity has lead to you having to tear apart at the mans slightly mentioned opinion. Based most likely on research or ideas that clearly spill out of the field of Ron Paul and the topic as a whole.

There is no requirement that I respond to all "points" you or Dave want me to, and not to respond to other "opinions" you or Dave don't want me to.

Aslo if Ron Paul is a fringe unsupported canidate what do you consider these other "100 candidates" running for the republican ticket that you tried to make a point by mentioning?

They're all fringe candidates as well. Heard of any of them? Why not? Should the media give as much coverage to Da Vid as they do to McCain?

 

[dudalb]

Media reports names for A, B and D, but not C. That is BIASED reporting. Biased why? Because we live in a fascist state, and it's getting more fascist as time goes on. Big business controls the media.

I am still trying to figure out dash's hatred for big business while advocating a lassiez faire capitalist system. Seems to me that the former is what you get with the latter.

 

[dudalb]

Report all you want its a forum i will get banned and my life will continue you little girl! I cant believe grown folk still do things like that it makes me giggle on the inside!

Are we seeing an attempted Suicide By Mod here so someone can go to another forum and complain about how he was banned by the Big Bad Mean Mods at JREF?

 

[OneShotKi11]

Now you're getting it! Ron Paul's message appeals to the fringe. Almost every last one of which falls into one of the groups I mentioned. If you don't fall into one of those categories it is you who are in the fringe of Ron Paul supporters.


There may be 3 left running, but only 2 actually have a chance of winning the nomination. And if you look at who has a realistic chance, you're left with McCain alone. Huckabee's only hope is that McCain drops dead before the convention.


1. McCain - the choice of moderate Republicans
2. Huckabee - the choice of those who want the Constitution changed to "reflect god's law".
3. Ron Paul - the laughingstock of the Republican party. Thinks $235 billion in gold reserves can fund a $13 trillion economy. Introduces a bill every year seeking to prevent the Federal courts from hearing Establishment Clause cases in a backdoor effort to establish a state religion. Supported by a coalition of white supremacists, 9/11 "truthers", anti-Fed, pro gold standard loons, and NAU/NWO/One World Government conspiracy theorists.

How's that? 100% accurate btw, but no doubt you really want the media to report on Ron Paul without actually mentioning his policies or his support base.

Wildcat you continue to amaze me with how you can avoid statements in an argument as well as almost completely ignore the topic.
It is an art indeed that i feel i could never master, i bow my head to you for that.

All i can say now is im not asking them to do anything except when THEY STATE THE FINAL 3 CANDIDATES THEY SAY RON PAUL INSTEAD OF ROMNEY.

How much more clearly do i have to make my point. You dont like Ron Paul and want to avoid answering anything i say directly because i am correct.

YOu can list everyone of his policies YET THE MAN IS STILL ****ING RUNNING!!!!! PLEASE REPORT AS SUCH!!!!!!!!

 

[mortimer]

I not asking them to make him more popular JACKASSSSSSSSS!
Report all you want its a forum i will get banned and my life will continue you little girl! I cant believe grown folk still do things like that it makes me giggle on the inside!

Wait, you can't believe grown people do what?

 

[OneShotKi11]

Are we seeing an attempted Suicide By Mod here so someone can go to another forum and complain about how he was banned by the Big Bad Mean Mods at JREF?

All i can say is wow...

 

[dudalb]

YOu can list everyone of his policies YET THE MAN IS STILL ****ING RUNNING!!!!! PLEASE REPORT AS SUCH!!!!!!!!

Technically,yes,he has not withdrawn.
But he is doing little in the way of active campaigning and seems to be spending most his time back in Texas mending fences in his home district.
His campaign is de facto over.

 

[dash]

Do people actually read what we say and think of responses or is there a Ron Paul response Manual that everyone seems to be reading from?

This is refreshing -- I'm not the only one who is shocked about how mindless some of these automatons are. I think it's part of the dumbing down we've been hearing about. Short attention span and all. I don't think they can hold a concept in their minds long enough from the first sentence of a paragraph all the way to the last sentence.

By the time they've reached the last sentence, they've forgotten the first one. They don't go back and recapture the train of thought, instead they give up. So each sentence is treated in and of itself as a separate entity. Context is irrelevant. That's how their minds have learned to operate.

It's part of the typical stream of conversation:

P1: Sup!
P2: Sup.
P1: Watcha doin?
P2: Nothin. U?
P1: Nothin. Cool.
P2: Cool.
etc.

As such, with each sentence treated as a separate entity, it becomes a question of pattern matching. Certain keywords are all that is necessary to eject the automatic response.

The key thing to realize is that communication is not possible with some of these people. You're not communicating with them. You're merely entertainment to some form of amusement that their little croud enjoys. These people are posting under anonymous identities, no reference to homepages, no personalities at all. They've accomplished nothing, have no basic talents, never once stick their necks out and try to push for anything. They're always against everything. They have only one skill -- that is to destroy, or attempt to destroy. Or to tear down what other people create. Or tear down other people.

When dudalb said he idolizes Ellsworth Toohey that just floored me. Wow..What an unbelievably toxic thing to say.

Maybe a bit of starvation would do this country good. Some people ought to realize just what's important in the world, and how much they've taken for granted.

-Dave

 

[D'rok]

It's so strange how people love their poverty and their slavery. Do you even have any concept of what investment is all about? You take dollars, and buy something else that will go up in value. Then you either sell it for dollars, or you hold onto it. Buy low, sell high.

It is amazing how people seem to cherish their ignorance.

Nevermind. Just spend that $100 on another X-Box 360 game. Oooh. Fun!

-Dave

Personally, I'm more of an Atari 2600 sorta guy.

Can you give us a rough time frame of when the economic apocalypse will be arriving? It would be nice to be able to mark our calendars.

 

[D'rok]

You're merely entertainment to some form of amusement that their little croud [sic] enjoys.

He catches on fast, this one.

 

[OneShotKi11]

Ron Pauls policies are DUMB, CRAZY, outlandishly FRINGE. They are impossible. They are inaccurate. They are under researched and under thought. They are supported by loons, CT's, nutjobs, wacko's and by none other then the previously mention. He is a poor debater/speaker as well as an individual who could not run a campaign if funded by Microsoft. He is a lier and a racist!

Even through all this the point i am making with you people is still accurate.
You guys keep repeating the above things like they are answer to all Ron Paul related topics, and quite frankly its stupid.

I dont know what else to say to you people for i know there has to be people on these forums who know im right even though they agree with the fact Ron Paul is a Loon. For they understand thats not what im discussing. These people for some reason refuse to respond because they would then have to deal with the likes of you close minded nitwits spewing off random retardation.....

 

[dudalb]

Personally, I'm more of an Atari 2600 sorta guy.

Can you give us a rough time frame of when the economic apocalypse will be arriving? It would be nice to be able to mark our calendars.

The Gold Bugs have been predicting the Economic Apocalypse for about the last Fifty years,so I think you have a little time to prepare.
And it is interesting that every Economic expert that dash references is one who has no standing whatsoever in the world of economics.

 

[dudalb]

He catches on fast, this one.

And the Woo is very strong with him.
BTW check out his threads on physics in the Science section. It makes his economics look reasonable.

 

[dash]

Can you give us a rough time frame of when the economic apocalypse will be arriving? It would be nice to be able to mark our calendars.

It is ongoing. It's already started. It's accelerating. Rome wasn't built in a day. It didn't collapse in a day.

Watch gold and silver -- their prices skyrocketing is a sign of the collapse of the dollar.

Watch the dollar index -- watch it go down...down...down...

Watch how Canada and Australia's currencies are rising with respect to the dollar.

Watch bond prices collapse, watch as the market for bonds evaporates as people SELL SELL SELL to get something for their money.

Watch as even the grossly underreported CPI heads up and up, into double digits. It's called hyperinflation. Who knows how bad it can get? Depends on how stupid the Fed will be. By all accounts they haven't plumbed the full depth of their stupidity yet. Helicopter Ben will surprise us yet.

Do a bit of research and discover why Ben Bernanke is called "Helicopter Ben".

Watch as prices for commodities go through the roof. Watch as gas heads up towards $10/gallon and higher.

Watch as more and more people get laid off, more and more companies go out of business. Watch as wealthy people flee the country and take their wealth with them. Watch as the world abandons the dollar as the reserve currency.

It's all ongoing. Real wages are down, the middle class is getting gutted. Money doesn't go as far as it did...

-Dave

 

[D'rok]

And the Woo is very strong with him.
BTW check out his threads on physics in the Science section. It makes his economics look reasonable.

That Ra thread is a thing of woo beauty - you could even say that it's bwootiful.

 

[D'rok]

It is ongoing. It's already started. It's accelerating. Rome wasn't built in a day. It didn't collapse in a day.

Watch gold and silver -- their prices skyrocketing is a sign of the collapse of the dollar.

Watch the dollar index -- watch it go down...down...down...

Watch how Canada and Australia's currencies are rising with respect to the dollar.

Watch bond prices collapse, watch as the market for bonds evaporates as people SELL SELL SELL to get something for their money.

Watch as even the grossly underreported CPI heads up and up, into double digits. It's called hyperinflation. Who knows how bad it can get? Depends on how stupid the Fed will be. By all accounts they haven't plumbed the full depth of their stupidity yet. Helicopter Ben will surprise us yet.

Do a bit of research and discover why Ben Bernanke is called "Helicopter Ben".

Watch as prices for commodities go through the roof. Watch as gas heads up towards $10/gallon and higher.

Watch as more and more people get laid off, more and more companies go out of business. Watch as wealthy people flee the country and take their wealth with them. Watch as the world abandons the dollar as the reserve currency.

It's all ongoing. Real wages are down, the middle class is getting gutted. Money doesn't go as far as it did...

-Dave

OK. I'll watch for those things.

With the exception of the rise in Cdn and Aussie dollars, none of those things have happened. Which brings me back to my original question. When will the apocalypse happen? For all of those predictions to fully occur, how long will it take? When will Rome's fall be complete?

 

[D'rok]

This article made the front page of reddit (a site that is getting sillier by the minute) today:

The only way to survive this coming economic disaster is to buy physical gold and silver. It also wouldn’t hurt to stockpile ammunition, firearms, storable foods and survival equipment. This is a very serious situation. We are going to see a substantial rise in gold, silver and other commodities and we should see a spectacular rise in the price of many junior mining stocks. The U.S. Dollar is being destroyed through inflation and those who own precious metals will be rewarded as precious metals serve as a fantastic defense against the criminal central bankers that set these criminal policies.

http://www.funnymoneyreport.com/news.php?id=6920

 

[Corsair 115]

US Dollar's dropping -- it will only buy .9794 Canadian dollars.

Let's take a look at the exchange rate between these two currencies over the last four months:

Feb. 28, 2008: $1 USD buys $0.9717 CAD
Nov. 7, 2007: $1 USD buys $0.9168 CAD
Sept. 17, 2007: $1 USD buys $1.0307 CAD

Seems to be some up and downs in there, wouldn't you say? The worst time to exchange US dollars for Canadian dollars was on Nov. 7th; the current rate still has a ways to go before reaching that level.

Looking further back, here are the February average exhange rate for the USD and CAD going back thirteen years:

Feb. 2007 average: $1 USD buys $1.17063 CAD
Feb. 2006 average: $1 USD buys $1.14873 CAD
Feb. 2005 average: $1 USD buys $1.24005 CAD
Feb. 2004 average: $1 USD buys $1.32989 CAD
Feb. 2003 average: $1 USD buys $1.51215 CAD
Feb. 2002 average: $1 USD buys $1.59612 CAD
Feb. 2001 average: $1 USD buys $1.52156 CAD
Feb. 2000 average: $1 USD buys $1.45121 CAD
Feb. 1999 average: $1 USD buys $1.49774 CAD
Feb. 1998 average: $1 USD buys $1.43341 CAD
Feb. 1997 average: $1 USD buys $1.35558 CAD
Feb. 1996 average: $1 USD buys $1.37522 CAD
Feb. 1995 average: $1 USD buys $1.40049 CAD

 

[dudalb]

The only way to survive this coming economic disaster is to buy physical gold and silver. It also wouldn’t hurt to stockpile ammunition, firearms, storable foods and survival equipment. This is a very serious situation.

God, he sounds like Brains Gremlin's economic advice in Gremlins 2.

 

[T.A.M.]

I am a Canadian, and trust me, I am going to take full advantage of our dollar's parity with the USD....why? Because I KNOW it will not last.

TAM