Dylan Avery Gets Schooled By The BBC (Video)

Already covered in my earlier post.

All of what you suggested are good points but it doesnt fit Guy Smiths responce. You said the research could have been done by someone else, so Guy could have said that. He didnt. He could have said that his researchers had told him Avery said he was a drop out. He didnt. All he did do in responce to Averys question is accept what Avery had told him about not dropping out of something he never attended, and then say in the Uk it doesnt mean you dropped out of something and so in the UK it doesnt mean something negative. If he is trying to defend his researcher with the same bull, I obviously have the same problem.

ould the term mean something different to an older person?

If so you should be able to find some examples of someone using it like he did. I have never heard anyone using it that way, and never known anyone ever using it that way and several rather a lot quieter people here have agreed with that. I cant prove a negative, so if you wanted to say this is what happened, then you'd have to show that.

You also didn't respond to the part in my recent post where I suggested you contact the BBC. Have you started working on that yet?
I only cared enough to argue about it here because people seemed to be so obtuse with me. I dont care that much, its not like anything would be done anyway.
 
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We agreed several hundred posts ago the dropout characterization was irrelevant to the discussion but Edx keeps bringing it up. He also complains continuously that he’s being misunderstood.

Actually other people keep bringing it up, I keep replying or they say Im ignoring them. I stopping "bringing it up "in page 5, if you had noticed.

Edx began ignoring me pages ago and now I’m doing the same with him. Good luck to the rest of you butting your heads up against the brick wall.
Of course I ignored you, you were personally attacking me for no reason.
 
All of what you suggested are good points but it doesnt fit Guy Smiths responce. You said the research could have been done by someone else, so Guy could have said that. He didnt. He could have said that his researchers had told him Avery said he was a drop out. He didnt. All he did do in responce to Averys question is accept what Avery had told him about not dropping out of something he never attended, and then say in the Uk it doesnt mean you dropped out of something and so in the UK it doesnt mean something negative. If he is trying to defend his researcher with the same bull, I obviously have the same problem.

He didn't triple factcheck it because it's an insignificant point! If Dylan claimed to be a dropout why should he investigate any further? His "it's used different here" response was either handwaving an insignificant point, or it really is used differently by some people. Either way, you're speculating.

You accuse us of strawmen and you build strawmen.
You accuse us of speculating and you speculate.
You accuse us of putting words in your mouth and you put words in our mouths.
You accuse people of spinning things their way and you drastically spin things your way.

You're a hypocrite, dude.
 
We agreed several hundred posts ago the dropout characterization was irrelevant to the discussion but Edx keeps bringing it up. He also complains continuously that he’s being misunderstood.

I started this thread hoping some people would watch my little video and now it’s a runaway train . (Yes, I know I don’t own the thread but still...) Edx began ignoring me pages ago and now I’m doing the same with him. Good luck to the rest of you butting your heads up against the brick wall.

Funny he should complain about being misunderstood.

Look at comment #440 where he completely misunderstands my final sentence.

I'm done here it's impossible to communicate with someone who can read "white" but understand "black".

I still think there is the mark of woo there but i do not care enough to tease it out of him.

Bye-all.
 
Funny he should complain about being misunderstood.

Look at comment #440 where he completely misunderstands my final sentence.


I can't read comment #440. Guess why.

I'm done here it's impossible to communicate with someone who can read "white" but understand "black".

I still think there is the mark of woo there but i do not care enough to tease it out of him.

Bye-all.


There’s a certain type of dunderhead who will cease on any minor inconsistency (they called Dylan a dropout, he is not a dropout!) and worry it to death like a dog with a favorite bone. Edx is a university student in the UK (he says). Can you imagine how much fun he is in classroom discussions? There must be clumps of hair on those classroom floors… pulled out by professors from their own heads in frustration.
 
You cannot provide your source for the IM messages because if you did you would out yourself.

Yea, not even once right?


Same with the pancake argument. That claim you made was not from valid sources, it's from truther web sites.

Depends what you claim Im saying about the pancake theory.

Those were not the websites that refer to what we are talking about. And they do not confirm your claims.

What do you say my claims are regarding the instant messages?

NIST never made the pancake thoery. HELLO???? It was an initial assessment made by FEMA before they had any chance to collect data.

Read what I wrote, i didnt say NIST made the pancake theory I said they were shown to be inaccurate by NIST. Inaccurate doesnt mean totally wrong.
A general guess. Not meant to be any kind of formal conclusion. It was never presented as an offical declaration or anything. This is where you are misleading people.
No, you're pretending I said something I didnt.

And also, as has been pointed out, there was most certainly a pancake effect. The issue is the initiation. Not wether there was pancaking or not.
Evolution can still be right while the "theory" is flawed. Its also the graphic itself that is inaccurate, but I said I was being picky! I explained it was to point out a possible factual error. Yet you keep harping on about it as if its some big point of mine.

Why are you making me repeat this stuff over and over?
Why do I have to repeat myself to show Im not saying what you say Im saying? :boggled:

And you are hurt that people are disagreeing with you???
Several people have disagreed with me, I dont care. Its the way they do it.

Now you're acting like a complete idiot. Because I in no way EVER compared you to a KKK member.

Well you gave an analogy and decided to pick a "KKK member", then you did the same with a murderer. Not the nicest way to make your point, is it?

...HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Now go READ what I actually wrote. It's getting very hard not to throw out insults here because this is absolutely absurd. GO READ WHAT I WROTE! lol!
Trying to teach me a 'lesson' again by acting this way?

YOU: Well others agree with me (implying you are right).

No I was implying other people agree with me but that you arent attacking them like you are me. I can see how you might misunderstand me, but Im glad you do understand what "implication" means. Maybe you should apply the same standards to yourself as you do to others.

ME: Well if a bunch of KKK members agree with each other, does them simply agreing make their beliefs correct?

Except 1. I never said it made them correct. 2. Saying KKK members agree with each other is implying its easy to find truthers that agree with each other.


OTOH, you did twist my position. I said that they could have included some more subjects and interviewed or mentioned more people like the people and subjects I mentioned and gave several examples, you turned that into me saying they needed to interview every person and talk about every possible subject. Thats quite different.

No I did NOT.

Really?

"He's using typical wooer tactic by exploiting the fact that it's impossible for any documentary to include every possible issue,"

" then the standard wooer tactic of making the argument that because they didn't include all of the nonsense theories that somehow it legitamizes the ones they did show."

"it's impossible to have a documentary that brings up everything.

" your argument that unless they include EVERYONE that YOU deem right somehow makes it unbalanced is a completely bogus argument on your part.

Once again pointing out your strawman argument in that anything short of "everything" would allow your argument.

[emphasis mine]

DO YOU UNDERSTAND? Because only a complete idiot would translate that into me claiming you said they have to include everything? Do you now still feel that way?

Ahh so only a complete idiot would look at the quotes from you above and think my interpretation was right? Really... well you sure showed me.

{snipped rest, no point repeating myself}

{i also snipped most of the insults and personal attacks}

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Funny he should complain about being misunderstood.

Look at comment #440 where he completely misunderstands my final sentence.

I asked you what you meant with a polite and civil question. :confused: Apparently thats the same as attacking someone without bothering to ask what they think.
 
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Edx is a university student in the UK (he says). Can you imagine how much fun he is in classroom discussions?
"You said the cow jumped over the moon. If you watch the tape she clearly leaped. SHE LEAPED!!!!! Oh for the love of humanity why won't anybody listen to me? The sheeple are going to think she jumped!"
 
He didn't triple factcheck it because it's an insignificant point! If Dylan claimed to be a dropout why should he investigate any further? His "it's used different here" response was either handwaving an insignificant point, or it really is used differently by some people. Either way, you're speculating.

If thats true, he didnt say it. If thats true, he wouldnt have said drop out is not a negative term in the UK. If he is defending his researcher, then hand waving is not a positive thing to say about him. If it was a term used that way by some people, no ones been able to show any example of that.

You're a hypocrite, dude.
You cant show me once where I have ever done what you say Ive done. And if Im twisting the drop out comment then so are the other people that have agreed with me, but you arent badgering them about it are you? But thats right just fixate on me.
 
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"You said the cow jumped over the moon. If you watch the tape she clearly leaped. SHE LEAPED!!!!! Oh for the love of humanity why won't anybody listen to me? The sheeple are going to think she jumped!"

It wasn't a cow it was clearly cattle.

(Cattle, colloquially referred to as cows (though technically cow refers only to female bovines), are domesticated ungulates, a member of the subfamily Bovinae of the family Bovidae.(Wikipedia))

I don't know why you would slander a female bovine so, but you are mistaken. You are giving ammunition to those who want to do a hatchet job on the bovine-moon theory.

I don't think it was a real moon either.
 

My God. Look at those sources. No wonder you have bad information. Remind me to use some blogs and call that a source. Now look at the sentence the columist uses:

"Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen"

But where is the quote? What did the guy actually say? The quotes you do find from him (Micha Macover) are all of him saying that the was nothing related to the WTC in the message. Yet isn't it funny how you ONLY look for vague articles by vague sources that paraphrase? And YOU are the one who is claiming misrepresentation? YOU? The one who goes and sorts through all the reports and finds the ones that are the most misleading? You're a con artist. It's that simple. You don't bring up any credible articles because you just wanted the ones that make it look like there was some kind of conspiracy theory. hence the need to use archives because the sources don't even last long enough.

Depends what you claim Im saying about the pancake theory. What do you think they are?

Are you on drugs? What does what I think pancaking is have to do with anything? You are claiming the pancaking graphics were wrong. They are NOT. This again stems from FEMA initially guesing that the collapse was started by pancaking. it wasn't. But the conspiracy sites which you use for your research try to mislead people by claiming that there wasn't pancaking period. This is 100% wrong. And this proves you are using conspiracy sites as your source.


What do you say my claims are regarding the instant messages?

You said that warnings of the attacks were sent. Why are you asking me what you wrote in this very thread?


Read what I wrote, i didnt say NIST made the pancake theory I said they were shown to be inaccurate by NIST. Inaccurate doesnt mean totally wrong.

And there you are WRONG. 100% WRONG. I have pointed out WHY you are wrong. You haven't bothered to read. And you said NIST backed away from the pancake claim. Which means that at some point they were behind it. That is WRONG. And there is no dispute over inaccurate here. There is the difference between the initiation and post-initiation. There was absolutely pancaking. No one denies this except the conspiracy sites. NIST points this out very clearly. Nothing inaccurate about it. You're simply mis-using a popular conspiracy claim.
No, you're pretending I said something I didnt.

There you go pretending again. Stop being such a coward.

Evolution can still be right while the "theory" is flawed. Its also the graphic itself that is inaccurate, but I said I was being picky! I explained it was to point out a possible factual error. Yet you keep harping on about it as if its some big point of mine.

Once again, the graphic is in no way inaccurate. Please back this claim up for once. Don't just make ignorant statements that it's inaccurate. WHY is it inaccurate? I keep harping about how it's a big point of yours? Like you keep harping about people saying you are saying something you aren't or calling you a truther?

YOU are the one making baseless claims about the film. YOU are the one using false information to do so. YOU made the point, you made many points. You can easily claim that none of them are a big point. But you made them. You made a lot of false and baseless claims. And it's not a factual error except for on your part.

Why do I have to repeat myself to show Im not saying what you say Im saying? :boggled:

Because you're clearly delusional. Oh the irony in you complaining about repeating yourself. I think everything I have had to say in the past 10 posts of mine are me repeating to you everything I already said because you don't get it. You're a typical troll.


Several people have disagreed with me, I dont care. Its the way they do it.

So then by your logic you are wrong because people disagree with you. Wouldn't that make sense since you implied that since others agree with you it must give you merit? It was your response to me saying you were wrong. And I don't care what you think about the way people do it. If you can't handle people pointing out your false and baseless claims, then you shouldn't be in a discussion forum. If you want to come in calling people liars and using false information as an excuse to make your opinion seem more valid, then expect to be called on it.


Well you gave an analogy and decided to pick a "KKK member", then you did the same with a murderer. Not the nicest way to make your point, is it? And you also didnt call be a truther either. I know I know...

And anyone who doesn't get the simile is a complete idiot. It seems you don't understand the simile. All you see is "KKK" and not the point. Gosh, you're just a genius.
Trying to teach me a "lesson" again by acting this way?

Wow, you don't get anything do you? I treat you the way you treat others. The real crime here is your ignorance of your own behavior.



No I was implying other people agree with me but that you arent attacking them like you are me. I can see how you might misunderstand me, but but Im glad you do understand what "implication" means. Maybe you should apply the same standards to yourself as you do to others.

Those other people (which I think is 1 person) are not making false claims. As has been pointed out but you are incapable of reading is that the issue is not people thinking the film is unfair. It's you using false information to mislead people as to why.

Except 1. I never said it made them correct. 2. Saying KKK members agree with each other is implying its easy to find truthers that agree with each other.

Only a complete idiot would think that's what it means. Anyone who has at least a 1st grade education would understand that it simply means having someone agree with you does not make your claims correct.



Really?

"He's using typical wooer tactic by exploiting the fact that it's impossible for any documentary to include every possible issue,"

" then the standard wooer tactic of making the argument that because they didn't include all of the nonsense theories that somehow it legitamizes the ones they did show."

"it's impossible to have a documentary that brings up everything.

" your argument that unless they include EVERYONE that YOU deem right somehow makes it unbalanced is a completely bogus argument on your part.

Once again pointing out your strawman argument in that anything short of "everything" would allow your argument.

[emphasis mine]



Ahh so only a complete idiot would look at the quotes from you above and think my interpretation was right? Really... well you sure showed me.

{snipped rest, no point repeating myself}

{i also snipped most of the insults and personal attacks}

Thank you for proving my point with those quotes. Notice the terms such as "using xxx tactics", "standard xxx tactic". Notice the attack is on the tactics used. This is what you claim is directly calling you something. This is where you become a hypocrite. The claims didn't accuse you of being a truther, they accused you of using such tactics. But only an idiot wouldn't get that.

Now learn to read. Learn the difference between personally attacking someone and a behavior. And lastly, please grow up.
 
If so you should be able to find some examples of someone using it like he did. I have never heard anyone using it that way, and never known anyone ever using it that way and several rather a lot quieter people here have agreed with that. I cant prove a negative, so if you wanted to say this is what happened, then you'd have to show that.

you were already given a great example. Einstein. He is always described as a drop out. The point being to emphasize that just because someone doesn't have a formal education does not mean they can't achieve great things. Same with the film. Despite getting rejected from school, he went on to make one of the most well known conspiracy films. Except to say he was rejected would be demeaning.

And you are making a faulty argument as well. you're trying to raise the argument that unless it's used commonly that the meaning is different. But this is based on your false claim that because he said it's what it means in the UK means that he is claiming its a UK expression. that's clearly not the case as has been pointed out. He is not saying it's a common UK term as you are trying to imply by requesting others who it being used.

This is as usual an example of you misunderstanding what is being said.
 
It wasn't a cow it was clearly cattle.

(Cattle, colloquially referred to as cows (though technically cow refers only to female bovines), are domesticated ungulates, a member of the subfamily Bovinae of the family Bovidae.(Wikipedia))

I don't know why you would slander a female bovine so, but you are mistaken. You are giving ammunition to those who want to do a hatchet job on the bovine-moon theory.

I don't think it was a real moon either.

Well you're being unbalanced because in your post you didn't cover all the past conspiracy claims about cisco and how you think he is known for false flag operations.

And you're also being unfair by harping on one of his arguments. Clearly if you have proven your point then the argument becomes nitpicking. So better switch to one of his other arguments until that moves to the nitpicking bin.

It's also unfair that you didn't discuss all the other areas claimed by the Cow jumpers. I'm not saying you have to bring up every cow jumping claim, just ones that you didn't include. Before the cow was brought up, I should have been consulted to say which cow issues should have been discussed, otherwise it's all a misrepresentation.
 
If thats true, he didnt say it. If thats true, he wouldnt have said drop out is not a negative term in the UK. If he is defending his researcher, then hand waving is not a positive thing to say about him. If it was a term used that way by some people, no ones been able to show any example of that.

You cant show me once where I have ever done what you say Ive done. And if Im twisting the drop out comment then so are the other people that have agreed with me, but you arent badgering them about it are you? But thats right just fixate on me.
Who agrees with you; only Alex Jones, before the fact. Everything you say breaks your own rules you try to set for others, and most of your ideas are faulty in logic (more complicated, but since you ruled this all pointless, I am not wasting time fixing you errors in logic and hypocritical mistakes). You make up what things mean to others, as if you are all knowing. Sorry, many of your fits of logic are bound in hypocrisy. Using Alex Jones as a source of ideas is pure funny. You lack of knowledge on 9/11 and inside out thinking is amusing. Keep up the smoke screen of what ever you are doing so well. (I would look up the real names for your logical, faulty, hypocrisy stuff, but it would be pointless; as you say)
 
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Well you're being unbalanced because in your post you didn't cover all the past conspiracy claims about cisco and how you think he is known for false flag operations.

And you're also being unfair by harping on one of his arguments. Clearly if you have proven your point then the argument becomes nitpicking. So better switch to one of his other arguments until that moves to the nitpicking bin.

It's also unfair that you didn't discuss all the other areas claimed by the Cow jumpers. I'm not saying you have to bring up every cow jumping claim, just ones that you didn't include. Before the cow was brought up, I should have been consulted to say which cow issues should have been discussed, otherwise it's all a misrepresentation.

Hah! cisco is on the bovine-leapers side not the jumping side. Now I'm not saying I agree with the bovine-leaping-moon theory but if we criticize it we should make sure we get all the details right.

Why are you attacking me? I am just concerned that we get it just exactly right.
 
My God. Look at those sources. No wonder you have bad information. Remind me to use some blogs and call that a source. Now look at the sentence the columist uses:

Its Haaratz and Newsbytes (The Washington Post). They are proper news sources, not the same things as random blogs.

And yes it doesnt mention the WTC specifically, I know that, all it says is it warned of the attacks. It was considered so important it was reported to the FBI. That is at least, what is reported on those news reports.

Conspiracy Files quote The Jerusalem Post, so they could have touched on Haaratz and The Washington Post.

Depends what you claim Im saying about the pancake theory. What do you think they are?
Are you on drugs? What does what I think pancaking is have to do with anything?

Huh? Im asking you what you think it is Im saying about it.

You are claiming the pancaking graphics were wrong. They are NOT.

If the graphic was totally correct the towers would have taken over a minute to collapse. If the graphic was totally correct the core would still be standing. Pancaking did not cause the collapse, pancaking happend after that, but the graphic does not take this into consideration. Im being picky, but I said that!!

This again stems from FEMA initially guesing that the collapse was started by pancaking. it wasn't. But the conspiracy sites which you use for your research try to mislead people by claiming that there wasn't pancaking period.
:boggled: Why are you debunking conspiracy sites? I never said there wasnt pancaking period. Sheesh!

You said that warnings of the attacks were sent. Why are you asking me what you wrote in this very thread?

Im saying we have news reports of warnings being sent and they could have addressed those reports, in the same way as they did address The Jerusalem Post report.

And you said NIST backed away from the pancake claim. Which means that at some point they were behind it. That is WRONG.
The very first time you said that to me I said I shouldnt have used the word "backing" to describe what I meant, I then told you what I meant, but now you're acting like I never said that?

And there is no dispute over inaccurate here. There is the difference between the initiation and post-initiation.

Yup, and the graphic does not show that.


Several people have disagreed with me, I dont care. Its the way they do it.
So then by your logic you are wrong because people disagree with you.

Look at what you're replying to and tell me where you gleaned that impression from what i wrote.

And anyone who doesn't get the simile is a complete idiot. It seems you don't understand the simile. All you see is "KKK" and not the point. Gosh, you're just a genius.

No, the relevant part of your post was KKK MEMBER

Wow, you don't get anything do you? I treat you the way you treat others. The real crime here is your ignorance of your own behavior.

Oh really? I personally attack people the way you have attacked me? Want me to take one of your posts and cut out all the content and leave only the personel attacks and see how long it is?

Those other people (which I think is 1 person) are not making false claims. As has been pointed out but you are incapable of reading is that the issue is not people thinking the film is unfair. It's you using false information to mislead people as to why.

Several people are agreeing with me in varying different amounts. No one is attacking them for it.

Thank you for proving my point with those quotes. Notice the terms such as "using xxx tactics", "standard xxx tactic". Notice the attack is on the tactics used. This is what you claim is directly calling you something.
Why say Im using the tactics Im not then? To tell people Im making the argument that they need to include everyone and discuss every possible argument, you're saying is not really saying I think they should have included everyone and discuss every possible argument.:boggled:

"it's impossible to have a documentary that brings up everything.

Why say that?

The claims didn't accuse you of being a truther, they accused you of using such tactics. But only an idiot wouldn't get that.

Uh...Those quotes werent you saying Im a truther, they were showing where you exaggerated my argument to make it seem very unreasonable. The quotes where you said I was a truther was on on the previous page

Learn the difference between personally attacking someone and a behavior. And lastly, please grow up.
You're attacking me as strongly as one can on a message board on the internet.

Ed
 
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Hah! cisco is on the bovine-leapers side not the jumping side. Now I'm not saying I agree with the bovine-leaping-moon theory but if we criticize it we should make sure we get all the details right.

Why are you attacking me? I am just concerned that we get it just exactly right.

Are you calling me a bovine-leapers???

And my god, I was just being picky, why must you keep harping on it?

BTW, his cow graphic was inaccurate.
 
Who agrees with you; only Alex Jones, before the fact. Everything you say breaks your own rules you try to set for others, and most of your ideas are faulty in logic (more complicated, but since you ruled this all pointless, I am not wasting time fixing you errors in logic and hypocritical mistakes). You make up what things mean to others, as if you are all knowing. Sorry, many of your fits of logic are bound in hypocrisy. Using Alex Jones as a source of ideas is pure funny. You lack of knowledge on 9/11 and inside out thinking is amusing. Keep up the smoke screen of what ever you are doing so well. (I would look up the real names for your logical, faulty, hypocrisy stuff, but it would be pointless; as you say)


Edx gets ALL of his talking points from Alex Jones. The ‘gang up’ of experts vs. truthers, the dropout description, etc. It’s all there. I made a post pages and pages ago with an mp3 from Jones’ radio show (link here) where Jones and Dylan raked BBC producer Guy Smith over the coals for almost two hours. That show was the real ’hit job‘.

Highlights (or rather lowlights) from my notes:

10:20- Dylan and Jones mention Wally Miller.

9:20- Dylan mentions ‘unburned’ passports at Shanksville.

Jones comes on at about the 23:30 mark

30:30- Jones complains endlessly about only getting 3 minutes of airtime on the BBC show.

57:00-- The dropout issue is discussed. Dylan gives a rationalization of why he couldn’t get into film school. (See my original post for my take on why he didn't get into the school.)

Towards the end of the show, Jones begins to refer to Smith mockingly a your ‘Lordship.’ There’s much, much more for the masochists who want to listen to the whole program.

Edit: Here's the link to the Alex Jones radio show.

http://prisonplanet.tv/audio/190207smith.mp3
 
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Edx gets ALL of his talking points from Alex Jones. The ‘gang up’ of experts vs. truthers, the dropout description, etc. It’s all there. I made a post pages and pages ago with an mp3 from Jones’ radio show (link here) where Jones and Dylan raked BBC producer Guy Smith over the coals for almost two hours. That show was the real ’hit job‘.
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So? I listened to the radio show, and I said I agreed with most of what he said.
 

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