Dylan Avery Gets Schooled By The BBC (Video)

[beachnut]

Whether dylan is wrong or not, doesnt justify the program to misrepresent him as a drop out.

Dylan said in responce to the film "How could I drop out of a course I never attended?", the producer said that in the UK a drop out is someone that never went to Univercity. Thats not what drop out means, and he knows it. Ive never heard the term used that way. Its implications are clear. If they wanted to show how wrong Dylan was they didnt need to misrepresent him, but they did anyway.

Distraction. Irrelevant.

His films make him look stupid. Like a dropout can. Some dropouts have talent and do not make up lies and false information.

Oh, he never was allowed to attend. That is different; too dumb to get in. Sometimes you just do not have the brains to get in to school.

Oh, please point out one thing Dylan gets right in his films of false 9/11 information. It is very relevant. The fact is Dylan has got nothing right. So I do not care if he is dumb, or a dropout, do you? Dylan is still dumb on 9/11; your point is wasted on an idiot who lies to others; miss leads people stupid on 9/11. So?

This video is good; I think it shows how a liar gets caught in his own lies and ignorance. What do you really think? You think Alex Jones has some insight. Alex Jones is always wrong. I now know the show Alex said was not good, is excellent.

 

[Walter Ego]

Is there a link to the whole BBC documentary?

Yup, here it is.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6680224505086911340

 

[Edx]

These would all be relevant points if we were dealing with an opinion piece; i.e. gun control, abortion, fiscal policy, etc. September 11th is a factual topic and the trooth is bankrupt in that field.

Frankly I wouldn't care if they superimposed horns on Dylan Avery and replaced the background with flames, because he's earned it. Same goes for Alex Jones, Stephen Jones, David Griffin, Thierry Meyssan, and all the other usual suspects. Give us a new idea that has some factual or logical merit; otherwise, everything you've said so far has been debunked and should be ridiculed as brutally and as often as possible.

You guys are really showing how unreasonable you are. It makes no difference whether Creationists are wrong, to make a documentary on them to misrepresent them on purpose is dishonest as well. It doesnt matter if they're right or not. Dylan wasnt a drop out and the producer tried to claim drop out meant something it didnt, to try and defend his dishonest misrepresentation of him. You're as bad as those CTs you argue against if you think stuff like the Conspiracy Files is justified in spin and dishonest journalism.

Ed

 

[Edx]

His films make him look stupid. Like a dropout can. Some dropouts have talent and do not make up lies and false information.

The implication is clear. Being called a drop out is not a compliment.

Oh, he never was allowed to attend. That is different; too dumb to get in. Sometimes you just do not have the brains to get in to school.

Distraction. Irrelevant.

Oh, please point out one thing Dylan gets right in his films of false 9/11 information. It is very relevant. The fact is Dylan has got nothing right. So I do not care if he is dumb, or a dropout, do you? Dylan is still dumb on 9/11; your point is wasted on an idiot who lies to others; miss leads people stupid on 9/11. So?

What the hell is wrong with you? Dylan being right or not is irrelevant.

This video is good; I think it shows how a liar gets caught in his own lies and ignorance. What do you really think? You think Alex Jones has some insight. Alex Jones is always wrong. I now know the show Alex said was not good, is excellent.

Is english your second language? Seriously...

 

[Reality Believer]

Is there a link to the whole BBC documentary?

Here is one link.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6680224505086911340

The simple brilliance of that documentary is they actually talk to the people who were the focus on the issues. Wally Miller, the C130 pilot, first responders, Jim Fetzer, Dylan Avery.

What woo video has ever flung an accusation and then interviewed the subject person to get the real story?

 

[beachnut]

The implication is clear. Being called a drop out is not a compliment.
Distraction. Irrelevant.
What the hell is wrong with you? Dylan being right or not is irrelevant.
Is english your second language? Seriously...

So, Dylan is stupid on 9/11, or he lies on purpose to fool idiots to buy his DVD; I do not care if they call the guy a nut case bozo who is daft on 9/11.

Oh, please point out a single thing Dylan gets right. Then I will take back he has the mind of a grade school dropout.

Dylan being right is not a problem, he never has been.

Yes, English been berrry berry good to me

The video was excellent what do you thing about the video! or is it a bideo

 

[cisco]

What the hell is wrong with you? Dylan being right or not is irrelevant.

No. Dylan being a dropout or not is irrelevant.

By the way . . .

Dropping out means to withdraw from established society, especially because of disillusion with conventional values.

So nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-boo-boo. Dylan is a dropout by at least one definition.

Deal with the thousands of misrepresentations the trooth has made and then maybe we'll get around to wasting time on this [debatable] ONE.

Comprende?

 

[Walter Ego]

They didnt touch on a lot of arguments they could have, but you honestly dont see a problem with such blatent misrepresentation?

The show was 59 minutes long. They couldn't cover everything.

You think a ratio of 9 debunkers to 3 is fair and unbalenced?

There were 9 debunkers? Nine? Oh, wait, you're counting Wally Miller, the Shanksville corner, the military pliot circling DC who saw the plane flying towards the Pentagon, the lady whose flight was diverted to Cleveland (which Dylan claimed was Flight 93), as debunkers? They were witnesses, not debunkers. Try again.

 

[Edx]

So, Dylan is stupid on 9/11, or he lies on purpose to fool idiots to buy his DVD; I do not care if they call the guy a nut case bozo who is daft on 9/11.

You can call him whatever you like, but if you make a documenatry about him and call him a drop out, thats a lie, and its even more obvious its a lie when you try and defend yourself by claiming the term means something different in the UK when it doesnt.

Oh, please point out a single thing Dylan gets right. Then I will take back he has the mind of a grade school dropout.

Saying he has the mind of drop out is different to saying he is a drop out.

Yes, English been berrry berry good to me

The video was excellent what do you thing about the video! or is it a bideo

I dont know what bideo, is but I think its worthless fluff. When they get a producer of the X-Files to talk at length about his opinion on the psycological mind of a conspiracy theorist you know its hit the bottom. I thought it was unfair even when I knew nothing about 911 conspiracies and was watching it for the first time. There are better debunking films out there.

 

[beachnut]

You can call him whatever you like, but if you make a documenatry about him and call him a drop out, thats a lie, and its even more obvious its a lie when you try and defend yourself by claiming the term means something different in the UK when it doesnt.

Saying he has the mind of drop out is different to saying he is a drop out.

I dont know what bideo, is but I think its worthless fluff. When they get a producer of the X-Files to talk at length about his opinion on the psycological mind of a conspiracy theorist you know its hit the bottom. I thought it was unfair even when I knew nothing about 911 conspiracies and was watching it for the first time. There are better debunking films out there.

I agree, Dylan has the mind of someone who lies or is too dumb to know the truth on 9/11.

Dylan's films are self debunking.

Nice video.

 

[Walter Ego]

The implication is clear. Being called a drop out is not a compliment.

Your main complaint so far is that the BBC was mean to Dylan by calling him a dropout. Well, boo, hoo, hoo! Dylan was snotty and condescending to the people like Wally Miller who where there on the scene on 9-11, not to mention the families of the Flight 93 victims (and the heroes on that plane too). The show was fair to Dylan and called him on his BS. Bully for the BBC!

And, once again, was there anything factually wrong about the documentary?

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Wow, so Dylan finished high School? Gosh, now we're really impressed. Let's now forget about how dishonest Dylan is by intentionally misleading people to believe that the quotes he uses were in literal context and focus on a debatable term about a kid who only got through HS.

 

[OldTigerCub]

Nice video, Walter! The "deer in the headlights" look was priceless, especially when it was followed up with Wally Miller's comments.

 

[OldTigerCub]

They didnt didn't touch on a lot of arguments they could have, but you honestly dont see a problem with such blatent blatant misrepresentation? You think a ratio of 9 debunkers to 3 is fair and unbalenced unbalanced?

9 to 3? I'd say they generously weighted in favor of twoofers with that ratio. Just a realistic representation of the fact that there are far more sane people than insane people in the world.
(spelling corrections mine)

 

[Edx]

The show was 59 minutes long. They couldn't cover everything.

They touched on a lot of the more extreme theories yet not other ones such as NORAD responce or the toxic air in the cleanup. And it also still found time to smear CTs as antisemtic even when most arent and interview Frank Spotnitz for 10 minutes to give his uneducated filmmaking opinion on the psychology of conspiracy theoriests. Yes, he helped produce x-files, so what?

There were 9 debunkers? Nine? Oh, wait, you're counting Wally Miller, the Shanksville corner, the military pliot circling DC who saw the plane flying towards the Pentagon, the lady whose flight was diverted to Cleveland (which Dylan claimed was Flight 93), as debunkers? They were witnesses, not debunkers. Try again.

First I said "off the top of my head". Secondly, they only gave brief time to the conspiracy arguments with quick edited shots, while giving the debunkers a lot of time to talk including proceeding documentation to back them up. They didnt do that with the conspiracy guys, because even if wrong or misinterpreted, it wasnt a balenced documentary if they dont even attempt to do that. They call Dylan a "self-confessed dropout" when he wasnt a drop out. It appeals to emotion that a CT for 911 hurts the victems completely ignoring the Jersey Girls or Bill Doyle of the Coalition of 9/11 Families. They try to make out its anti-semetic to say that Jewish workers were warned on 911, but this was a report from a Jewish news source, which they dont mention. They try to make out that its a main CT idea that the Jews did it, and they get some Jewish lady on there to say how horrible it is for someone to think that.

Put all of the things wrong with this film together and I cant ever see how a reasonable person can think this film is even remotely a "fair" and "balenced" and an honest investigation and presentation of the issue which they claimed it was. Its a misrepresentative.

Ed

 

[Edx]

Your main complaint so far is that the BBC was mean to Dylan by calling him a dropout. Well, boo, hoo, hoo! Dylan was snotty and condescending to the people like Wally Miller who where there on the scene on 9-11, not to mention the families of the Flight 93 victims (and the heroes on that plane too). The show was fair to Dylan and called him on his BS. Bully for the BBC!

Again, Dylans actions are irrelevant. The fact that the producer so blatantly misrepresnted one side of the argument shows that this wasnt fair and unbalanced.

And, once again, was there anything factually wrong about the documentary?

I'll have to watch it again, but I know of one. They used the Nova pancake graphic which is inacurate.

 

[Gravy]

Dylan wasnt a drop out and the producer tried to claim drop out meant something it didnt, to try and defend his dishonest misrepresentation of him.

You're right: you have to be accepted to college in order to drop out.

Aside from that, Edx, did the "hit piece" get anything wrong about what's important: the truther claims?

 

[Edx]

Wow, so Dylan finished high School? Gosh, now we're really impressed. Let's now forget about how dishonest Dylan is by intentionally misleading people to believe that the quotes he uses were in literal context and focus on a debatable term about a kid who only got through HS.

The producer was dishonest on purpose, he knew what a "drop out" was and has the cheek to try and pretend it meant something else to Alex and Dylan just because they're American. Sorry I dont agree with Creationists but if someone made a pro-evolution film like Conspiracy files I'd be hitting out against that in the same way.

 

[Edx]

You're right: you have to be accepted to college in order to drop out.

Aside from that, Edx, did the "hit piece" get anything wrong about what's important: the truther claims?

Well from what I remember its almost deception by ommission. They touched on subjects they liked. They interviewed witness' but didnt interview witness' or first responders that happen to think there was explosions or originally reported exposions. Not even to debunk them, not even to show that this is what people think. You'd think a fair and balanced documentary would do that. I dont think the towers came down with explosions but why not address the arguments and interview the people who think it did like Steven Jones? Obviously they wouldnt want to do that, Steven isnt an "evangalist" like Alex is or a "drop out" like Avery, I guess they'd hate to lend any crediblity to the CT that a real physicist thinks the towers were blown up. They also twisted and misrepresented the views of which they were attacking, like the Jewish connecton.

Like I said if someone made a documentary that was pro-evolution in the same way as this was I would attack it just as much, and Im certainly no Creationist sympathiser. This films about as fair and balanced as Loose Change is.

 

[Walter Ego]

Dylan Is A 'Self-Confessed' Dropout

The producer was dishonest on purpose, he knew what a "drop out" was and has the cheek to try and pretend it meant something else to Alex and Dylan just because they're American. Sorry I dont agree with Creationists but if someone made a pro-evolution film like Conspiracy files I'd be hitting out against that in the same way.

I watched the relevant section of the film again (about 7:00 in) and it says that Dylan is a ‘self-confessed’ dropout which would indicate he told the BBC producers he was a drop out (probably in the social rather than the academic sense of the word). So Dylan called himself a dropout, not the BBC.

Okay, cleared we that one up. So was there anything else factually wrong about the film? Not mean stuff said about Dylan because he's a Yank but the FACTS about 9-11 and the truth movement in the film. Like Gravy, I’m still awaiting your answer on that question.