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Is McCain Mounting a Comeback?

(Kerberos)

You argued that it wasn't a negative. It is, whether it absolutly dooms them is beside the point.

(New Ager)

Will people base their votes on Iraq? I doubt few will.

Not a negative.

(Kerberos)

That is possible, but for the less conspiratorially minded it's more likely that we're simply witnessing the well known jounalistic fact that "bad news are news, good news aren't".

(New Ager)

So, now it's a conspiracy to point out the liberal news media.

Liberals just keep up the masquerade.

Why?

(Kerberos)

That's possible, if the violence keeps decreasing. If not..

(New Ager)

Let me guess which one you are rooting for.
 
New Ager said:
And being pro-war is not a negative. Quit listening to the media and listen to the people.
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Is there a fact in there somewhere, validated by respected surveys? And are we talking Amercian citizens living in America? American soldiers in Iraq and their families. Or Muslims from over there?
 
Kerberos said:
From the link above:

"Looking back, do you think the United States did the right thing in taking military action against Iraq, or should the U.S. have stayed out?"


Right Thing Stayed Out Unsure
% % %
41 54 5

ETA: Seems the format gets screwed up.

You argued that it wasn't a negative. It is, whether it absolutly dooms them is beside the point.
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The point I think New Ager is making is that supporting the war doesn't hurt McCain with the Republicans, who are the people he is asking to nominate him as their standard-bearer. Given that there is only one Republican candidate against the war (Paul) and that he's polling at best about 8%, it seems pretty clear that McCain's support for the war has not hurt him within the party. It may when the general election comes if things do not continue to improve in Iraq.
 
Kerberos said:
You don't need my permission to make an ass out of yourself.
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And he doesn't even deny it.

As usual, liberals rooting for liberalism over their country. Sad.

(Iamme)

Is there a fact in there somewhere, validated by respected surveys? And are we talking Amercian citizens living in America? American soldiers in Iraq and their families. Or Muslims from over there?

(New Ager)

Liberals, who are mostly against the war,(not for any noble reason, but just to oppose Bush) put their own feelings on others.

Conservatives support the war, and if the liberal media hadn't repeatedly bashed the war effort and reported some good news once in a while, we wouldn't have these polls that have been cited.

But, still, the good news gets out that we have a made a difference and it was a noble cause to get rid of an evil dictator and give a country a chance at freedom. Plus, the surge is working and Iraq is moving towards better times. You know how you know? The liberal media is reporting less and less about it. Don't want to give President Bush any credit at all.

When it comes down to one on one in the election, supporting the war will not be a negative, in fact, it might be a positive.
 
Ramesh Ponnuru reports that "Mac is back":

His events are packed: The fire marshal had to turn people away, both New Hampshire voters and visiting journalists, from his Peterborough town hall meeting. Reporters who have gone to Romney events tell me that his crowds are merely respectable. "The Mac is back!" his supporters have been chanting. So it would seem.
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At InTrade, McCain's shares for the nomination are currently at 34.4 bid, putting him slightly ahead of Giuliani at 32.0. Huckabee's at 13.5, while Romney is at 11.6, Paul at 4.0 and Thompson at 2.6. McCain's desire to get this down to a two-man race between him and Rudy Giuliani could be achieved by Tuesday evening.
 
The National Review endorsed Romney, but Ramesh has favored McCain (not to suggest that his analysis is wrong. Intrade has McCain at 85% to win in NH. The question then becomes, will he get an additional bounce from a victory in New Hampshire or not? South Carolina would seem to favor Huckabee. RCP currently has new polls only for NH, not any of the subsequent states or national yet. The most recent national poll is Pew, which gives a slight edge to McCain, but with only 22%.

Eventually it will come down to a two-man race (presumably: who knows what might happen if 4 or 5 different candidates have each won some primaries) but I tend to see Huckabee vs. somebody, either McCain, Giuliani or Romney. Since the latter three are more acceptable (or less unacceptable) to the republican establishment, whoever becomes the alternative to Huckabee will win.
 
Puppycow said:
The National Review endorsed Romney, but Ramesh has favored McCain (not to suggest that his analysis is wrong. Intrade has McCain at 85% to win in NH. The question then becomes, will he get an additional bounce from a victory in New Hampshire or not? South Carolina would seem to favor Huckabee. RCP currently has new polls only for NH, not any of the subsequent states or national yet. The most recent national poll is Pew, which gives a slight edge to McCain, but with only 22%.

Eventually it will come down to a two-man race (presumably: who knows what might happen if 4 or 5 different candidates have each won some primaries) but I tend to see Huckabee vs. somebody, either McCain, Giuliani or Romney. Since the latter three are more acceptable (or less unacceptable) to the republican establishment, whoever becomes the alternative to Huckabee will win.
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Reasonable point about Ponnuru; I've definitely noticed other conservative resources and their favoritism: Drudge is clearly in Romney's camp.

I don't see Huckabee being a factor for long. He still doesn't have the dough to compete.
 
The fact that McCain is around at all is something of a comeback. His campaign staff pretty much imploded a couple months back. His recovery is evidence that the ones that needed to leave, left. He has some skill in keeping things on track.

My personal opinion from Arizona politics is that McCain is way too clever for his own good. I'm not sure he has really caught on to the changes in our ability to parse information quickly. It is not as easy to say different things to different groups as it once was, I'll be surprised if he does not trip up before November.
 
McCain's hope is that with Big Julie and Mitt the Flopper now savaging Huckleberry, he will look like the most palatable option to Republicans and the only one with a chance to beat either Hill-Bill or Obama-Oprah.

I think all four of the main Republicans (along with Paul, as he apparently has the money to campaign) stay in it until the Feb 5 primaries (about 20 on that date, IIRC) when we'll really see who has the interest of the nation.

McCain-Obama or McCain-Clinton would be interesting, the first contest between sitting Senators in quite some time (if ever, I need to do some checking, lots of former Senators vs. sitting Senators, but two in office at the time?)
 
Mad Bombers

I have to put Rudy and McCain in the same camp as mad bombers. They would drop the big one without a second thought. I don’t think Romney would do that.
 
New Ager said:
By the way, I've noticed less reporting from Iraq now that we are starting to see marked improvement. Is it possible the liberal media doesn't want to report good news?
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There's been good news since the fall of Baghdad? How did I miss that?

And how did I miss there being any major "liberal media" left outside the internet?

(Just a hint, dude. Rush is not a particularly good source of cultural and political information.)
 
leftysergeant said:
There's been good news since the fall of Baghdad? How did I miss that?

And how did I miss there being any major "liberal media" left outside the internet?
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CNN, NBC, CBS, and ABC. As usual, liberals can't admit they are liberal.

(Just a hint, dude. Rush is not a particularly good source of cultural and political information.)
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Rush is a good source of almost everything, especially exposing liberals. That's why they can't stand him.

And by the way, it's the most listened to talkshow in American history.

How are you liberals doing with your talkshows? :)
 
CNN Notes the Rocket Man:

The senator from Arizona is the front-runner in the battle for the Republican presidential nomination, according to the first national poll taken after the New Hampshire primary.

McCain has the support of 34 percent of registered Republicans in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey out Friday. That's a 21-point jump from the last CNN/Opinion Research poll, taken in December, well before the Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire primary earlier this month.

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who won the Iowa Republican caucuses, is in second place in the new survey, with 21 percent of those registered Republicans polled supporting him for the GOP nomination. Check out the poll »

Rudy Giuliani follows with 18 percent, a drop of six points from the December poll, when the former New York City mayor was the front-runner.

"Only McCain gained support among Republicans nationally. McCain's now the clear Republican front-runner," said Bill Schneider, CNN senior political analyst.
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In perhaps-related news, Giuliani staff in Florida have been asked to forego pay in January:

Rudolph W. Giuliani’s senior campaign aides have given up their paychecks for the month to help save dwindling campaign funds as Mr. Giuliani heads into the crucial primary races where he has staked his candidacy.
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Was an obscure political blogger the first to notice the uptrend for McCain, both here and on his blog a month earlier?

I know I'm virtually alone in feeling this way, but I have an inkling that events are working out well for John McCain. Fred Thompson seems to be struggling; the other day he had to beg for applause for one of his speeches. If the race boils down to Giuliani and McCain, I like John's chances.
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New Ager said:
CNN, NBC, CBS, and ABC. As usual, liberals can't admit they are liberal.
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Rush is a good source of almost everything, especially exposing liberals. That's why they can't stand him.

And by the way, it's the most listened to talkshow in American history.

How are you liberals doing with your talkshows? :)
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According to conservatives, the national news is the liberals talk base, so I imagine it's pretty good. Hell, we "liberals" have nearly full control over YOUR elections.

Or are you one of those misty eye conservatives who undermine media influence on politics?
 
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Thorn said:
According to conservatives, the national news is the liberals talk base.
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I was speaking of the radio where liberals have floundered trying to counter Rush.

..so I imagine it's pretty good. Hell, we "liberals" have nearly full control over YOUR elections.
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Nope, but they try. Heck, if there was a fair news media in America, liberals would never win anything.
 
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