Brand New CT sub-group: No-Sounders

[1337m4n]

Is LastChild still trying to argue that our inability to find a non-faked video with the exact same sound as the video he posted (of which he himself doesn't know when or where it was taken) proves that every single microphone on 9/11 simultaneously failed to pick up the sound of demolition charges?

Or is he now trying to say that there are things that sound exactly like controlled demolitions, that aren't controlled demolitions (in which case he seems to have forgotten the entire debate to this point)?

Or is it both?

 

[LastChild]

Is LastChild still trying to argue that our inability to find a non-faked video with the exact same sound as the video he posted (of which he himself doesn't know when or where it was taken) proves that every single microphone on 9/11 simultaneously failed to pick up the sound of demolition charges?

So it is your claim here that the explosions heard on the links I provided are fake. Three different vantage points all fake and one of them news footage with the newscaster commenting on the explosion.

How is your fake audio argument any different then the fake plane argument?

Or is he now trying to say that there are things that sound exactly like controlled demolitions, that aren't controlled demolitions (in which case he seems to have forgotten the entire debate to this point)?

Here you argue the microphone would only pick up an explosive sound loud and clear if it was specifically a demolition charge. Can you say "magic microphone" now?

Or is it both?

I don't know. You tell me.

 

[Good Lt]

LC, you abandoned a thread in which you were misquoting things you linked.

Address your misquotes, please.

 

[LastChild]

a single explosion does not a demolition make, whether that’s your assertion or not

It's not my assertion. It's not even the point.

had the WTC been a controlled demolition there would have been dozens, probably hundreds of explosions from the towers, while dozens, probably hundreds of video cameras were pointed directly at them, you are saying that NONE of these cameras would have recorded the explosions, despite being rather close to the towers and pointed right at them

This coming from someone who believes three buildings on 9/11 suffered global collapse with no explosives involved. If that’s the case then every floor would not have had to have been wired. In fact it's your assertion that the only thing needed would be enough to damage a few floors at the top. It is also a primary conspiracy theory put forth by Steven Jones that it was thermate combined with explosive devices that brought down the towers. In that case Gravy's movie debunks nothing because every floor would not have needed to have been wired.

your 3 explosions argument doesn’t cut it, as this was later in the day when far fewer cameras were rolling and the ones that were werent all focused on a single point

So your only claim here is that after the biggest terrorist attack in the history of the United States happened they already had all the cameras off except one before dinner time? Yeah that makes sense.

You also forget that I provided three different videos of a controlled demolition easily looked up on YouTube that occurred in Dallas where the many demolition charges can hardly be heard in one of the videos over the people talking. In the other two the volume is a little louder but still not loud enough to have been deciphered apart from the sound of the collapsing WTC if that had been the case.

 

[nicepants]

This coming from someone who believes three buildings on 9/11 suffered global collapse with no explosives involved. If that’s the case then every floor would not have had to have been wired. In fact it's your assertion that the only thing needed would be enough to damage a few floors at the top. It is also a primary conspiracy theory put forth by Steven Jones that it was thermate combined with explosive devices that brought down the towers. In that case Gravy's movie debunks nothing because every floor would not have needed to have been wired.

So do you believe the collapse would have been possible if only a few floors were wired with explosives? How many?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

This coming from someone who believes three buildings on 9/11 suffered global collapse with no explosives involved. If that’s the case then every floor would not have had to have been wired. In fact it's your assertion that the only thing needed would be enough to damage a few floors at the top. It is also a primary conspiracy theory put forth by Steven Jones that it was thermate combined with explosive devices that brought down the towers. In that case Gravy's movie debunks nothing because every floor would not have needed to have been wired.

you shoudl be more familiar with assertions you try to defend, the CTers argue that the jet impacts and fires where nowhere near enough to destroy the building, hence the amount of explosives equal to that damage is also nowhere near enough, so you have to add more

So your only claim here is that after the biggest terrorist attack in the history of the United States happened they already had all the cameras off except one before dinner time? Yeah that makes sense.

yes, many were off, why should a news organization or person waste tape after tape filming essentially nothing? the few that were still rolling were scattered around manhattan as opposed to being focused on the WTC

You also forget that I provided three different videos of a controlled demolition easily looked up on YouTube that occurred in Dallas where the many demolition charges can hardly be heard in one of the videos over the people talking. In the other two the volume is a little louder but still not loud enough to have been deciphered apart from the sound of the collapsing WTC if that had been the case.

so the explosions went off after the tower started collapsing?

again i think you need to familiarize yourself with CD theories before you attempt to defend them

 

[LastChild]

you should be more familiar with assertions you try to defend, the CTers argue that the jet impacts and fires where nowhere near enough to destroy the building, hence the amount of explosives equal to that damage is also nowhere near enough, so you have to add more

No most of them claim it wasn't enough to sustain a global collapse without a little help especially at the speed it was witnessed to complete. If Gravy's only argument is that the WTC wasn't exactly like a traditional controlled demolition then I would agree. I think he's implying a little more then that though and that's where he fails miserably.

yes, many were off, why should a news organization or person waste tape after tape filming essentially nothing? the few that were still rolling were scattered around manhattan as opposed to being focused on the WTC

No one was turning their tape off especially when fires and building collapses were still happening after the biggest terrorist attack in the history of the world. That's just a lame bare assertion in the face of all the available post collapse video available on one of the most documented events in history. It doesn't even make any sense.

so the explosions went off after the tower started collapsing?

I believe these explosions were after the collapse of both towers but possibly before the WTC7 collapse. Anyway I'm not asserting they were a cause of the tower collapses. Just that if you can't get backup recordings of these explosions when no collapsing skyscraper can possibly mask them, why would you hear any during the Trinity Church wtc video Gravy compares to in his movie?

 

[DGM]

One more time folks.

It is the debunkers claim if there were explosions on 9/11 many microphones would have picked them up. I provided a link to an explosive sound recorded on 9/11. I also provided a link to the sound compared to demolition charges. It is not my assertion that the sound I linked to was a demolition charge but just that it was as loud as one. So where are all the other recordings of it?

I then provided another recording of possibly the same explosion from a different vantage point or possibly an entirely different explosion. If it was the same explosion as the first I ask then why wasn't it recorded as loud or loud enough that it would have been heard over the Trinity Church video Gravy compares to in his movie?

If it is a different explosion then the first one, then where are all the other recordings of this one? That's two explosions one recording a piece.

A third recording of possibly the same explosion was provided here by a debunker from news footage claiming it was the same explosion as the first one. Again if it is the same explosion then why is the recording of it so low as that it would never have been heard over the sound of the trinity church video of the wtc in Gravy's movie? If it too is fake then why is the newscaster talking about it?

If it is an entirely different explosion then where are all the other recordings of this third explosion? That's three explosions only picked up by one microphone a piece. Failing the debunker standard that if an explosive sound went off at ground zero it would have been picked up by many microphones.

The reason people are confused here is because I am debating two different debunker points of view if not more. Some debunkers claim the explosions are fake. This would put those debunkers on par with no-planers since I provided 3 explosions one of them news footage.

Other debunkers claim the explosions are all the same one. At which case it debunks the claim that every microphone would have picked up the same explosion very loud and very clear.

Some debunkers seem to think I'm claiming this explosion is a demolition charge. I'm not. I don't assert to know whether it is or not. Just that it's just as loud as a demolition charge.

And then there's me asking you to back up your claim that the sound of the collapse would drown out the explosions.

Do you intend to do this?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

No one was turning their tape off especially when fires and building collapses were still happening after the biggest terrorist attack in the history of the world. That's just a lame bare assertion in the face of all the available post collapse video available on one of the most documented events in history. It doesn't even make any sense.

speaking of bare assertions, have you seen 8-10 hours of footage from each camera that you claim was recording all day?

 

[LastChild]

And then there's me asking you to back up your claim that the sound of the collapse would drown out the explosions.

Do you intend to do this?

I already did. I provided a video of a traditional controlled demolition where the sounds of the charges would not have been heard over the collapse of the tower. I also provided explosions picked up at ground zero that also would not have been heard over the sound of the tower collapsing from where they were recorded.

 

[LastChild]

speaking of bare assertions, have you seen 8-10 hours of footage from each camera that you claim was recording all day?

I'm sure if you wanted to you could find every moment of the day after the first plane crash through the wtc7 collapse and backed up by a different angle somewhere. Besides this is the debunker standard not mine. So you back it up.

 

[DGM]

I already did. I provided a video of a traditional controlled demolition where the sounds of the charges would not have been heard over the collapse of the tower. I also provided explosions picked up at ground zero that also would not have been heard over the sound of the tower collapsing from where they were recorded.

HA.... HA.... HA.... HA... HA... HA.... HA.... HA.

OK now that you gave me my daily laugh. Do you intend to provide something of substance and relevance to my question.

A video of another demo and your opinion is not even close.

Back up you assertion for once!

 

[gumboot]

No one was turning their tape off especially when fires and building collapses were still happening after the biggest terrorist attack in the history of the world. That's just a lame bare assertion in the face of all the available post collapse video available on one of the most documented events in history. It doesn't even make any sense.

After the collapse of WTC1 the entire lower section of Manhattan was closed and NYPD actively moved all civilians out of the area. That's why there's so little footage of the WTC complex post-collapse, and in particular a lack of close-up video of WTC7.

-Gumboot

 

[defaultdotxbe]

I'm sure if you wanted to you could find every moment of the day after the first plane crash through the wtc7 collapse and backed up by a different angle somewhere. Besides this is the debunker standard not mine. So you back it up.

following is a list of links to videos that were not recorded between the collapse of tower 1 and the collapse of WTC 7:



/list

Im sure you can provide a list of links to videos that WERE fillmed in manhattan between the collapse of tower 1 and WTC 7

Besides this is the debunker standard not mine.

do you have any of your own opinions?

 

[LastChild]

HA.... HA.... HA.... HA... HA... HA.... HA.... HA.

OK now that you gave me my daily laugh. Do you intend to provide something of substance and relevance to my question.

A video of another demo and your opinion is not even close.

Back up you assertion for once!

It's just as much if not more valid then Gravy's cherry-picked videos and opinion. Which is what I am debunking here. Remember?

 

[LastChild]

following is a list of links to videos that were not recorded between the collapse of tower 1 and the collapse of WTC 7:

Not that it matters but I don't see any links there.

Im sure you can provide a list of links to videos that WERE fillmed in manhattan between the collapse of tower 1 and WTC 7

I already provided video from that time period. Now where is what I asked for?

do you have any of your own opinions?

Yes. My opinion is that debunkers can't meet their own standard of truth.

 

[DGM]

It's just as much if not more valid then Gravy's cherry-picked videos and opinion. Which is what I am debunking here. Remember?

Why don't you just be honest and say that you can't back up your statement?

 

[LastChild]

After the collapse of WTC1 the entire lower section of Manhattan was closed and NYPD actively moved all civilians out of the area. That's why there's so little footage of the WTC complex post-collapse, and in particular a lack of close-up video of WTC7.

-Gumboot

Yeah uh-huh. I guess that would explain how I already provided video of post tower collapse ground zero from different sources.

Try again

-LastChild

 

[LastChild]

Why don't you just be honest and say that you can't back up your statement?

I am more then backing it up. I am meeting Gravy's so-called evidence with the same exact standard. Does he need to back up his video anymore?

 

[DGM]

I am more then backing it up. I am meeting Gravy's so-called evidence with the same exact standard. Does he need to back up his video anymore?

Quit trying to shift the burden to Mark for your statement that the collapses would mask the explosives. This is YOUR claim so back it up or admit that it has no basis.