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Twoofers Only: The Mark Roberts Factual Error Thread

I am using his words, but I found the same problem with nist report. The temps that they use in their computer simulations are not corroborated with physical evidence.
I am not making a case for a inside job here. I am pointing out unscientific methods used by official story. I am, I believe open minded, I am looking at evidence from both sides. I believe that no theory so far on the building collapses have enough evidence to support it. nobody has done anything but bring possible theories, and anybody who claims that their theory is right does not have enough evidence to prove it.

Either you did not read enough, or you are choosing to ignore the fact that NIST would have had to explain why they used temps not confirmed by their examination of the steel.

Now given I know they explained this, why don't you tell us what you find wrong with NIST's reasons for using temps not confirmed by the steel samples.

TAM:)
 
I am using his words, but I found the same problem with nist report. The temps that they use in their computer simulations are not corroborated with physical evidence.
I am not making a case for a inside job here. I am pointing out unscientific methods used by official story. I am, I believe open minded, I am looking at evidence from both sides. I believe that no theory so far on the building collapses have enough evidence to support it. nobody has done anything but bring possible theories, and anybody who claims that their theory is right does not have enough evidence to prove it.

The why do you use a "cherry picked" article to argue your case? Do you just like open minded dishonesty?

Read what he really says:

http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/science/hsy24133.000/hsy24133_0.htm
 
The source for this is Alan Millers article at http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/pr...nera_alan_mil_070820_former_chief_of_nist.htm

It's notable for things like this.

Miller's version:


Full quote, snipped perhaps so you don't realise Quintiere is questioning how much fire protection the towers had:



Miller's version:


Full quote, I suspect snipped by Miller because he didn't want people to see that Quintiere was saying the fires would be hotter than NIST claims:



Re: the point in question here, Miller's post was accurate. Quintiere said in full:



But as pointed out above, he actually believes the fires were probably hotter than NIST claims: his issue is with the collection of the steel alone.
Are you sure quote 5 is from Quintiere? I didn't find it from him. but I might be missing it.
 
lisabob. what do all your posts in this thread save for the first have to do with the OP?
or thread title

The Mark Roberts Factual Error Thread.

Please start a new thread.
 
I'd appreciate it if this thread can be restricted to discussion of factual errors I've made. Thanks.
 
I'd appreciate it if this thread can be restricted to discussion of factual errors I've made. Thanks.

Killjoy. Pretty arrogant for one who hasn't made any factual errors...;)
 
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The NIST investigation involved the COLLECTION OF DATA, ANALYSIS OF SAID DATA, and CONCLUSIONS BASED ON THIS ANALYSIS.

And then the data was discarded, and was made to fit the predetermined conclusion that Tim Osman did it, with his patsies.

Hey, that was hysterical, thank you!
 
Considering how they are implicating tons of people for murder, the truthers sure are sensitive to criticism. I can't say I've seen a truther go into a debate without their 2nd or 3rd post going "AD HOMINEM AD HOMINEM PERSONAL ATTACKS YOU GUYS ARE BIG JERKS". It's called criticism. Did you really think you could go on a skeptics forum and not be questioned? Sheesh.
 
Considering how they are implicating tons of people for murder, the truthers sure are sensitive to criticism. I can't say I've seen a truther go into a debate without their 2nd or 3rd post going "AD HOMINEM AD HOMINEM PERSONAL ATTACKS YOU GUYS ARE BIG JERKS". It's called criticism. Did you really think you could go on a skeptics forum and not be questioned? Sheesh.
We have seen this type of attitude from twoofers before.
These idiots hardly impress me.
 
Oh please ceramic bird, Cry me a river!
Got my credit card in hand.
Willing to donate $100 to Rodriguez' pocket (which is what Rodriguez' "charity" is anyway) if you can make him come here and prove that everything mark has wrote about him is a lie.he is a member here so i see no problem.
Pure and simple.
So what do u say red?
In case you "missed" it red.
And if you can't get Willie to answer the "lies" that mark has wrote about him, you then donate $100. to THIS forum.
Think about it red, it would only cost me $100 out of my pocket but Willie and you will earn my respect.
 
As has been noted a few times, the thread is veering off topic. Please get it back on track, or it may be set to moderated status.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero
 
Finally, the only way to factually make the statement No evidence of explosives use on WTC exterior columns is to chemically test the debris for evidence of explosives.

This is hilarious, Swing. Your argument is that the statement "There is no evidence of explosives use on WTC exterior columns" is incorrect because not enough evidence was looked for. That doesn't change the fact that there is no evidence. Whether or not you have a valid point that explosives tests should have been carried out, we know that they weren't; therefore the paper is factually correct on this.

Dave
 
Since NIST has given its recent conference call, updating the timetable for its report on WTC 7, Mark Roberts should revise the following:

From Roberts' paper: Did diesel fuel for WTC 7’s emergency generators feed the fires?




Short answer: yes we do, and Shyam Sunder states that the fires were not caused by fuel on the premises.

19:00 mark at http://origin.eastbaymedia.com/~nist/asx/nist-wtc-121807.asx

The collapse of WTC 7 was caused by “normal bldg fires”

“not fires from leaking pressurized fuel lines”

“or from fuel fires due to fuel that was in the D(?) tanks that was in the bldg.”


I know Sunder's comments are very recent, and it can take time to revise an essay, but at this point, Gravy has to retitle and rethink his article, as diesel has been ruled out as the fuel fires which cause the collapse of WTC 7.
 
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Does this "fact" stand up to scrutiny? Only if you support the FBI's and NIST statements and call two firefighters liars.

Apparently the black boxes were found at the site. You can read the accont by firefighters Mike Bellone and Nicholas De Masi here. http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff12202005.html
N.Y. City firefighters, Mike Bellone and Nicholas De Masi, claimed in 2004 that they had found three of the four boxes, and that Federal agents took them and told the two men not to mention having found them.

A source at the National Transportation Safety Board, the agency that has the task of deciphering the date from the black boxes retrieved from crash sites-including those that are being handled as crimes and fall under the jurisdiction of the FBI-says the boxes were in fact recovered and were analyzed by the NTSB."Off the record, we had the boxes," the source says. "You'd have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are, but we worked on them here."

Mark Roberts is in a predicament. By stating the black boxes were not found via the statements of the FBI and NTSB he is accusing Mr. Bellone and Mr. De Masi of lying.
But why would two firefighters, heroes in most peoples eyes, lie about something as important as this?

I'm curious though as to why Mark would leave this important account out of his 9/11 Aircraft Parts and Contents Recovered in NYC .

Mark does do a great job of listing accounts of all of the trivial things that were found by people on the scene, including seat cushions, tickets, airplane parts (sorry no planers), etc, but fails to include the accounts of Bellone and De Masi. Why? Fallacy of Omission? Poor research? Or is it to support the official theory and the statements of Federal Agencies?

I will recant this comment if Mr. Bellone and Mr. De Masi have retracted their original story.

I've inquired several times now for you to quote Nicholas DeMasi words from 2004 that in previous posts you wanted responses to regarding its truthfulness, and referenced by you in the bolded statement from above. Can you? I can't seem to locate any related quotes from 2004. Your assistance will be very helpful. Thanks.
 
I've inquired several times now for you to quote Nicholas DeMasi words from 2004 that in previous posts you wanted responses to regarding its truthfulness, and referenced by you in the bolded statement from above. Can you? I can't seem to locate any related quotes from 2004. Your assistance will be very helpful. Thanks.

I don't know but he's probably referencing the 2004 story by William Bunch in the Philidelphia Daily News that was picked up by other news agencies.

http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/extra/archives/001139.html#more

Is this an error? I mean they did say they found the boxes didn't they?
 

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