Most of you are guilty of simplistic, "black or white" thinking
Now to find the truth you must gain knowledge, experience, add some logical thinking, add some rationally thinking, mix I a bunch of good judgment (based on knowledge, etc), and you may be able to find some real information and cure your case of terminal stupidity on 9/11. good luck
How is your rant even on-topic and not just another long-winded personal attack? Isn't there another thread somewhere for "ranting and raving?" I think "truthers" are stupid, and I think "debunkers" are just as stupid - they're just two biased sides of the same coin with agendas. Then there are the people who sincerely are looking for evidence and are willing to revise their theories and conclusions when new information comes along. From your attitude, I don't see any likelihood that you fall into this third, open-minded group. On the other hand, after about a week of reading 911 debunking sites, I'm starting to much more seriously consider a gravity-propelled collapse of the WTC towers than a "bombs all over the building" theory, but still I have no reason so far to rule out a bomb or bombs in the basement, for reasons I will explain further down.
Here's an example that pertains to this thread, in that it shows what can and does happen to witnesses and whistleblowers in the
real-world. In the "debunker" worldview, witness or expert/whistleblower intimidation by the authorities
never happens, and all "official" sources can be trusted 100%. This is an absolutely ridiculous, out-of-touch with reality proposition as demonstrated by this story:
Coast Guard Employee Alleges Retaliation
Whistle-Blower Seeks Probe of His Charges Against Staff of DHS Inspector General
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...12/15/AR2007121501400.html?hpid=moreheadlines
"A civilian U.S. Coast Guard employee was placed on paid administrative leave, threatened with a criminal investigation and confronted by guards at gunpoint in retaliation for disclosing information embarrassing to the service's troubled fleet replacement program, his attorney said."
"D'Armiento was placed on leave Oct. 1 and told to cooperate with Coast Guard investigators or face criminal prosecution, said Debra S. Katz, his attorney, in a letter to Skinner and the White House."
Wow,
threatened at gunpoint and told to cooperate, and not because he knew too much about mass murder or torture, but because he knew that the communications equipment on a $640 million dollar vessel was riddled with defects and insecure. He knew too much about a defense contract. Now if the Coast Guard is capable of putting a gun to someone's chest over something like that, just imagine what the government is capable of doing to cover-up something much worse. This is not evidence that the government planned and executed 9-11, it's evidence of
how governments operate in the real-world, as opposed to the debunker fantasy world where your government has nothing to hide, cares about your safety, and never lies.
Just about every "debunker" on here thinks it has to be
either jet fuel,
or bombs. Has anyone considered, assuming that 9-11 really was the work of 19 hijackers, that maybe they
also planted a bomb in the basement because they thought it would help destory the towers, and never imagined that the planes alone could topple the towers? Why are people like R.Mackey trying so hard to "prove" that jet fuel caused all of the damage in the basement within seconds of the impacts?
Here's a perfectly valid theory that is a lot easier to explain than R.Mackey's: Radio detonators and bombs were planted in the WTC basements (in a car, truck, or somewhere else). Co-conspirators waited within radio-triggering range early in the morning and waited for the arrival of the planes. Seconds before impact the bombs were set off. Why? Perhaps they thought if they weakened the lower structure enough, then hit the towers high enough up with enough force, they would fell the buildings like trees. I don't care if that sounds like a stupid, implausible idea, so don't quote-mine this sentence and tell me it is. To a terrorist, it might sound like a great idea, and we have witness statements about sounds and damage that in no way conclusively contradicts this theory.
As has been pointed out before, it wasn't the first time they tried to bomb the basement of the WTC. Don't try to tell me these people were able to predict ahead of time that they were going to destroy 3 buildings in one day just with planes and boxcutters. Will anyone here admit to being smart enough to predict such a thing possible prior to 9-11? If they acted alone, then their friends back home must have been dancing for joy at how wildly successful they were.
There is just no way 9-11 is a "black or white" issue with either the "truthers" correct, or the "debunkers" correct. There is too much evidence of lying on the part of the government and too many valid motives to leverage the events of that day to pursue pre-existing agendas.
The
most innocent the USG could possibly be is that they ignored multiple warnings, were already monitoring the hijackers, knew that planes could be flown into buildings (for chrissakes,
they wargamed that very scenario on 9-11) and then were utterly incompetent and unprepared on 9-11. With all that was at stake, that alone is a reason for a massive cover-up. It does not get any prettier than that, and if anything I'm saying does not jibe with the "reality-based" community, then I'd like to hear it. Rational and polite replies only, no insults or totovader-esque technical dissections of my logic thank you.
