UFOs and ancient artwork

[King of the Americas]

To thaiboxerken:

Well, what 'I' saw was "unidentifiable", in that it performed tasks that terresterial pilots could NOT, and at one moment it disobeyed the laws of physics, as I understand them.

What 'I' saw were star-like objects that moved with a constant velicoty while making right-angle turns.

At one point 2 of them headed toward one another, combined to make a larger version of themselves, and then seperated again.

I was not alone, in seeing this event, and both of us saw the same thing.

Thereafter, I saw no less than 3 different vidoe clips that portrayed the same 'kind' of event, featuring the same kinds of feats.

You don't believe my perception, and I am not asking you to. However, I WILL say this, your ignorance or refusal to accept my findings will NOT lead you to an increased understanding of these things.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Re: To thaiboxerken:

You don't believe my perception, and I am not asking you to. However, I WILL say this, your ignorance or refusal to accept my findings will NOT lead you to an increased understanding of these things.

I doubt that you saw anything weird, you only saw the mundane and percieved weirdness. Those objects could easily be birds at at distance. Some birds are very agile and can turn very sharply. I also doubt that there is clear video of this event, probably the same crappy and blurry video that is always taken of such things.

What is there to understand of "these things"? You and your buddies thought you saw spaceships? I understand that. The thing is, it is highly improbable that you did see spaceships.

 

[King of the Americas]

Improbable...

...but NOT impossible, that we say E.T.'s piloted craft.

Since when do birds come equiped with star-like lights?

 

[thaiboxerken]

Re: Improbable...

...but NOT impossible, that we say E.T.'s piloted craft.

Since when do birds come equiped with star-like lights?

You said star like objects.. now it's star like lights. Which is it?

 

[Nyarlathotep]

Re: Improbable...

...but NOT impossible, that we say E.T.'s piloted craft.

Since when do birds come equiped with star-like lights?

While it is true that improbable does not mean impossible, let me put it to you this way. It is also not impossible that a pack of wild rabid dogs will kill me as I leave my office today, it is actually more likely than your lights being anything like an alien spacecraft. However, I really, really, doubt that such a thing is going to happen today or any other day.

 

[Ratman_tf]

Re: To thaiboxerken:

You don't believe my perception, and I am not asking you to. However, I WILL say this, your ignorance or refusal to accept my findings will NOT lead you to an increased understanding of these things.

Pretty forceful statement there. What makes you think it's true? What do you mean by 'accept your findings'? That you saw something in the sky that you didn't understand? Hell, that happens to a lot of people. It's happened to me more than once.
But the leap from unidentified to alien craft or so-called 'gods'? That's quite a stretch with no evidence. (That you have relayed.)

Once again, the evidence for alien saucers (or sky gods, or whatever the heck they're being called nowadays) is anecdote and appeal to emotion.

 

[The Mighty Thor]

I have seen many UFO's that looked very convincing as possible extra-terrestial craft. But with a bit of thought, all were identified. For example:

Magpies' white feathers lit up in sunlight.

A flock of migrating geese lit by moonlight -- the eventual noise gave that one away.

Aircraft landing lights, low on the horizon.

A hot-air balloon that was lit up at night looked so eerie I actually stopped my car to look.

I've also seen a cloud that looked like a rabbit.

There is one 'ET visitation' case that fascinates me. That is the incident at the USAF Base at Rendlesham Forest / Bentwaters in England at Christmas 1980.

There are many questions to be answered in this case. I suspect it was a "heads up" security test by the military. But it is a strange case that is worrying due to the breach of security issue.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/RendleshamForest.htm

malc

 

[King of the Americas]

Since WHEN is a light not an object? This was at night, there were a half a dozen of them, and they performed tasks that no terresterial pilot could. Moreover, their ability to disobey the Laws of Physics, as I understand them led me to this unearthly conclusion.

That I have seen no less than 3 different video clips, of this same type of event, fortifies my own personal experience, of this unidentifiable phenomonia.

What 'I' have seen is evidence of our physical betters "aero-ly", but moreover, I've seen evidence of these same gifted heavenly being portrayed in EVERY form of Media mentionable, throughtout the Ages.

I 'find' that these things exist, the 'gods of Heaven'.

You want to ignore this consistancy, my first hand eyewitness account, 'inconclusive' video clips, and then misrepresented/misinterpreted these artistic renderings...

...Well like I said what is good for you is good for YOU.

 

[Psiload]

King of the Americas wrote:

Since WHEN is a light not an object?

When it's reflected.

This was at night, there were a half a dozen of them, and they performed tasks that no terresterial pilot could.

How do you know these "objects" were piloted? Did you see the pilots/occupants? How do you know they were "objects" at all?

Moreover, their ability to disobey the Laws of Physics, as I understand them led me to this unearthly conclusion.

How do you know they disobeyed TLOP?

That I have seen no less than 3 different video clips, of this same type of event, fortifies my own personal experience, of this unidentifiable phenomonia.

Unidentifiable? But you have already identified the objects as piloted alien spacecraft, haven't you?

What 'I' have seen is evidence of our physical betters "aero-ly", but moreover, I've seen evidence of these same gifted heavenly being portrayed in EVERY form of Media mentionable, throughtout the Ages.

So... it must be true 'cuz you read it in the paper/papyrus?

I 'find' that these things exist, the 'gods of Heaven'.

No... you 'believe' these things exist. If you had actually found them, you could show them to us, and this discussion would be moot.

You want to ignore this consistancy, my first hand eyewitness account, 'inconclusive' video clips, and then misrepresented/misinterpreted these artistic renderings...

The only consistency I see regarding the whole flying saucers flap, is consistently inconclusive evidence- i.e. 'inconclusive' video, anecdotal eyewitness accounts, etc...

Regarding the artistic renderings, specifically The Madonna and Saint Giovannino painting, let me ask you a question...

The Madonna in the painting is depicted with a halo over her head. Do you think the artist rendering of the halo was symbolic, or realistic?

*edited to correct grammer- no animals were harmed during the editing of this post*

 

[Psiload]

Here's one of my favorites...

The "helicopter hieroglyphic".

Funny, you'd think the Egyptians would've made use of their cobra attack helicopters when the Roman's were mopping the floor with them.

 

[Jocko]

Hey, Psiload - forget this UFO/Chariots of the Gods crap. This is even lamer than the last time KOA took a swipe at it - which explains the general lack of response. Seen it, done it, debunked it.

What about this new solar storm headed for earth to coincide with Halloween? I mean, KOA creamed his Walmart jeans when Mars got close - imagine what he's thinking now...!

BTW, you never told me your email for the "package."

 

[King of the Americas]

To Psiload:

Look, you ignorant f*cker...

Ah, nevermind. I am not going to argue with you. You utterly failed to accurately represent me, and my 'findings'. You and your Strawman Fallical Reasoning can suck my cack.

I didn't say it was true because it was written on one piece of paper, sometime in history.

I said it was true because I saw star-like OBJECTS(6), emitting a visible light, move with a constant velocity and make right-angle turns, and move in cordination with one another, and at one point disobey the Laws of Physics. AND I have seen more than one other example of this event in a video recording, that couldn't be identified with any terresterial craft. AND that this same 'theme' is present in EVERY form of Media throughout the Ages...is what leads me to this 'finding'.

I have seen them for MYSELF, I have seen recorded images using current media devices, AND I've seen historic renderings that portray these 'gods of Heaven'.

If you saw 'chickens', videos and pictures of chickens, and then historical artists' renderings of like animals, what would you say to someone who HADN'T seen these things 'live' & in person? And they say that you didn't really see chickens, and that ALL of the images you have are fakes or misinterpretations? Short of giving them feathers, what can you do?

 

[Jocko]

Since WHEN is a light not an object?

Uh, since light is radiation (energy) and an object is matter? The two don't equate, unless you want to apply the special theory of relativity here... and I wouldn't recommend it. You've dug halfway to China already.

This was at night, there were a half a dozen of them, and they performed tasks that no terresterial pilot could.

Show the Wright brothers a helicopter, and they'd say the same thing. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean some terrestrial designer couldn't. As usual, it could ONLY be beyond your regal comprehension when there is extraterrestrial shenanigans involved.

I mean, what DOESN'T the KOA know about aerodynamics, right?

Moreover, their ability to disobey the Laws of Physics, as I understand them led me to this unearthly conclusion.

You're learning! "As you understand them" - what laws were broken, and why? Right angles occur all the time in nature. Bounce a flashlight off a mirror at 45 degrees if you want proof. What was so impossible, as "you understand it"? Specifics please.

That I have seen no less than 3 different video clips, of this same type of event, fortifies my own personal experience, of this unidentifiable phenomonia.

Of course, no natural phenomena ever occurs twice or in two places. Hell of a conclusion there, Oppenheimer.

What 'I' have seen is evidence of our physical betters "aero-ly", but moreover, I've seen evidence of these same gifted heavenly being portrayed in EVERY form of Media mentionable, throughtout the Ages.

You have seen nothing of the sort. Your drug-soaked delusional mind believes - as it has always LONGED to believe - that it witnessed aliens barnstorming over Texas. Oh really...

And you need look no further than Psiload's example to see the value of ancient documents when interpreted by a complete loony such as yourself.

I 'find' that these things exist, the 'gods of Heaven'.

I wish you'd find an antipsychotic drug that exists, to spare us more of your megalomaniacal messianic ravings about the ET's.

You want to ignore this consistancy, my first hand eyewitness account, 'inconclusive' video clips, and then misrepresented/misinterpreted these artistic renderings...

It's not a matter of want. We have no choice. We're not as gullible as you are, not as hungry for some outside significance to the meaning of life.

You know, I can't abide him myself, but you could use a heavy dose of Sartre.

...Well like I said what is good for you is good for YOU.

Funny, you saying that. It's true on planet earth as well.

 

[Jocko]

Re: To Psiload:

Look, you ignorant f*cker...

Hardly a royal phrase, yer majesty. But to be expected when confronted with blindingly simple evidence that you are, in fact, a lonny.

Ah, nevermind. I am not going to argue with you.

Oh, thank GOD!

You utterly failed to accurately represent me, and my 'findings'.

Hey, wait a minute. You said you weren't going to argue.

You and your Strawman Fallical Reasoning can suck my cack.

Heavy on the ad hominems, but dammit, you're still arguing! You said...

I didn't say it was true because it was written on one piece of paper, sometime in history.

Yes you did, and you're STILL ARGUING!

I said it was true because I saw star-like OBJECTS(6), emitting a visible light, move with a constant velocity and make right-angle turns, and move in cordination with one another...

STOP ARGUING! YOU PROMISED!

...and at one point disobey the Laws of Physics. AND I have seen more than one other example of this event in a video recording, that couldn't be identified with any terresterial craft.

Please, someone, make him stop.

AND that this same 'theme' is present in EVERY form of Media throughout the Ages...is what leads me to this 'finding'.

You'd think no one ever made a painting without a flying saucer in it. When are you going to NOT argue this with Psiload, who has graphically shown your folly?

I have seen them for MYSELF, I have seen recorded images using current media devices, AND I've seen historic renderings that portray these 'gods of Heaven'.

You saw stupid little lights while you were smoking peyote in the desert. Big deal. That's not evidence of UFO's, that's evidence you found a good dealer.

If you saw 'chickens', videos and pictures of chickens, and then historical artists' renderings of like animals, what would you say to someone who HADN'T seen these things 'live' & in person? And they say that you didn't really see chickens, and that ALL of the images you have are fakes or misinterpretations? Short of giving them feathers, what can you do?

I'd show them a chicken. Duh. I wouldn't show them a feather and say, "This is from God because you don't know what it is."

 

[King of the Americas]

If you haven't...

...seen the evidence I have, how could you expect to reach the same conclusions I have?

To Jocko & Psiload:

You are simply under informed in this matter, and ignoring my findings and mischaracterizing my arguments does NOT discount the evidence I rely on for my conclusion.

If you haven't seen a 'chicken', maybe it is because you head is neck-deep in the sands of ignorance...

I have seen what I've seen, and I've seen it documented.

What I have seen, others throughout history have seen.

These things EXIST.

Whether, you've seen them or not.

 

[Jocko]

Re: If you haven't...

...seen the evidence I have, how could you expect to reach the same conclusions I have?

To Jocko & Psiload:

You are simply under informed in this matter, and ignoring my findings and mischaracterizing my arguments does NOT discount the evidence I rely on for my conclusion.

If you haven't seen a 'chicken', maybe it is because you head is neck-deep in the sands of ignorance...

I have seen what I've seen, and I've seen it documented.

What I have seen, others throughout history have seen.

These things EXIST.

Whether, you've seen them or not.

Ah, so we've come from your mountains of evidence to "you just don't understand" and "it's true because I say so."

You know, there's a lot more in that picture Psiload posted... I took a good look and I'm sure you could make a good argument for any of these:

 

[Psiload]

King of the Americas wrote:

Look, you ignorant f*cker...

Ah, nevermind. I am not going to argue with you. You utterly failed to accurately represent me, and my 'findings'. You and your Strawman Fallical Reasoning can suck my cack.

Okey dokey... that was a little frightening. Moving on...

I didn't say it was true because it was written on one piece of paper, sometime in history.

I never said you did.

I said it was true because I saw star-like OBJECTS(6), emitting a visible light, move with a constant velocity and make right-angle turns, and move in cordination with one another, and at one point disobey the Laws of Physics. AND I have seen more than one other example of this event in a video recording, that couldn't be identified with any terresterial craft. AND that this same 'theme' is present in EVERY form of Media throughout the Ages...is what leads me to this 'finding'.

Star-like object? I though they were piloted spacecraft? Now they're star-like objects? By star-like, do you mean they were small points of light visible in the sky, or do you mean they were massive spheres of superheated gases?

I have seen them for MYSELF, I have seen recorded images using current media devices, AND I've seen historic renderings that portray these 'gods of Heaven'.

Objects, piloted spacecraft, Gods of Heaven... make up your mind, will you?

If you saw 'chickens', videos and pictures of chickens, and then historical artists' renderings of like animals, what would you say to someone who HADN'T seen these things 'live' & in person? And they say that you didn't really see chickens, and that ALL of the images you have are fakes or misinterpretations? Short of giving them feathers, what can you do?

Substitue the word 'fairies' for 'chickens' and we've got ourselves a valid analogy. I'll show you historical artist's renderings of fairies. I'll show you contemporary photographic evidence for fairies. I'll show you people who will give you anecdotal accounts sightings of, and interactions with, fairies. I'll bet you I can even find someone willing to sell you genuine fairy feathers... probably on e-bay.

Now... do you believe in fairies?

Why not, you ignorant f*cker?!

 

[King of the Americas]

Jocko:

I think your interpertative skills are somewhat lacking, at least in the area of heiroglyphics.

Liek I said before, it isn't that ALL things are as they appear. You actually have to try and intepret what it was the author or artist was trying to portray.

That you don't 'get' Heiroglyphics either, isn't suprising to me. Given your tendencies of mis-interpretation and mis-characterization...

 

[Jocko]

Re: Jocko:

I think your interpertative skills are somewhat lacking, at least in the area of heiroglyphics.

You're right, they're utterly pathetic. As are yours. The difference is that I'm not pointing to something that might look like something else and screaming, "Look, it's GOD!"

Plus it's a joke, you insufferably arrogant nabob. Just like you are.

Liek I said before, it isn't that ALL things are as they appear. You actually have to try and intepret what it was the author or artist was trying to portray.

Ah, but when the interpreter is a madman with drug-induced delusions of his own royalty and has a firm belief that the aliens will land soon - just to show the rest of humanity that would should have been listening to his royal ass-ness this whole time - well, then your interpretation is suspect and hardly original.

That you don't 'get' Heiroglyphics either, isn't suprising to me. Given your tendencies of mis-interpretation and mis-characterization...

Oh, listen to Dr. Carter going on about how well schooled he is about heiroglyphics. Okay, you want to play grown-up, I'm game.

What is your interpretation of the heiroglyphics Psiload posted? I'll bet mine make more sense, as well as more entertainment.

 

[King of the Americas]

To Psiload:

I WROTE:

What 'I' have seen is evidence of our physical betters "aero-ly", but moreover, I've seen evidence of these same gifted heavenly being portrayed in EVERY form of Media mentionable, throughtout the Ages.

YOUR RESPONDED:

"So... it must be true 'cuz you read it in the paper/papyrus?"

*THEN I WROTE*

I didn't say it was true because it was written on one piece of paper, sometime in history.

And YOU responded:

"I never said you did. "

I think your double-talk, and circular reasoning has you trapped in a loop of ignorance.

YOU WROTE:

"Star-like object? I though they were piloted spacecraft? Now they're star-like objects? By star-like, do you mean they were small points of light visible in the sky, or do you mean they were massive spheres of superheated gases?"

*I don't recall using the term "spacecraft". By 'star-LIKE', I mean to characterzie them as "twinkling points of light".

YOU Wrote:

"Objects, piloted spacecraft, Gods of Heaven... make up your mind, will you?"

*I think these 'gods of Heaven' ARE unidentifiable 'objects', and again I never used the term "spacecraft".

If I SAW a fairy for 'myself', AND I saw video footage that I couldn't attribute to some kind of fakery or another phenomonia, AND I had countless historical images depicting these things as REAL,...then "Yes, I would believe in fairies". The difference in the two subjects are fold:

-One, I have NEVER seen a fairy myself
-Two, I have never seen video footage of them that I couldn't attribute to fakery
&
-Three, I have never heard of an artist painting fairies from a REAL entity. EVERY artist I have studied, portrayed these things a 'mythical'.

Why don't you stuck this Strawman Shi'ite up your pumpkin.