Is Science getting closer to God and the Bible?

[Safe-Keeper]

Then there's this whole 'God can't prevent rape because that'd be a violation of free will' thing. God hypnotizing Presidents seems to run contrary to this belief.

God preventing humans from raping, greatly easing the life of millions of people: lol, wtf, wed be mindless drones!
God making a president nuke a third world country: yay, end times!!11

Maybe DOC is ready to admit that god has no supernatural power, and needs the technology (and the hands) of mere humans to accomplish anything at all?

God works in mysterious ways.

 

[Taffer]

Bulls are ruminants.

Um...yes? I know that US.

Good point. Perhaps I should say "A bullock is bull sans bollocks."

Come on over to the house, Taffer, we're having prairie oysters and cold beer.

DR

I'll pass on the prairie oysters but not on the beer.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Quote from the Bible:

And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth."

Hey Doc, let me offer you a quote from nowhere in the Bible, whatsoever.

"And God spoke, and sayeth unto him, thou shalt behave as an utter fool, raving and drooling in the public square."

Let's say a US president decides to nuke people who want to fight against Jerusalem and to destroy Israel.

Let's say everyone around the president finds out about this "decision." Ever hear of a padded room?

I have a feeling that that president (who we know believes in God since an atheist can't get elected president in the US) will pray to God for guidance. If the US uses nuclear weapons first, God will be a part of that decision (in my lifetime anyway).

I'd say that's not only foolish, but it borders on taking the name of the Lord in vain.

Are you bound and determined to be an example of "the Christian" as "the Fool?" Your personal martyrdom by laughter in no way compares to the walk of Christ, who approached his martyrdom with wisdom and dignity.

Have you no self respect, man?

DR

 

[Taffer]

No, if I had my way, I would have "hoped" sin would have never entered this world. But since it has, God will deal with it.

Assuming God actually exists, you mean?

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

Interesting you bring taht up in in a thread that has nothing to do with this topic. It is obvious you are a simple troll attempting to provoke.

I'm not going to put him on ignore, but even if he's not a malicious troll, his density and obstinance is just too over the top to be taken seriously. I'm surprised so many people still are.

Let English be English, and Latin, Hellènic, Hibiru, and Thewdish be their own. However, English has been dead for over 1000 years, and what you and ye speak today is muttish, where none know what sounds any kinney or foreign vowel or consonant cluster makes without soundun or writun lik a illiterate retard.

I'll PayPal you $200 if you know how to say "juxta".

Do you have a point you wish to make or a comment you wish to offer?

"Fish".

I'll take cash.

I'd always seen it a "ghoti".

Um...yes? I know that US.

My mistake. I overlooked DR's "aka a bull" in his post. :doh:

 

[Hokulele]

No, if I had my way, I would have "hoped" sin would have never entered this world. But since it has, God will deal with it.

So you are powerless and your god is a dink. Got it.

 

[Ladewig]

Reasons why DOC is most assuredly not a practicing Christian.

1) He ignores Matthew 5:39. Jesus clearly states that if a man has wronged you the only appropriate response is to turn the other cheek. DOC has never demonstrated that philosophy in any of his threads. He holds grudges against those that identify his logical errors and those that label him a troll.

2) He ignores Matthew 10:14. Jesus says that if people do not welcome you or receive your message, then you should leave. There have been many posts where JREFers have indicated to DOC that his actions drive people further away from Christianity. This effect is so great that one must consider the possibility that DOC is angry at the church and trying to make it look bad.

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

Ladewig, DOC is most assuredly a troll. Whether he is a sincere one or having us on I cannot tell since Poe's Law is proven minute by minute on the Internet.

Come hang out with me a foru.ms (formerly Christianforums) in the Creationism and Evolution subforum or the Origins Theology subforum and you'll see starkers posts that make DOC seem erudite and sober.

 

[kmortis]

What's this about vowel length?

That's a rather personal question...

 

[joobz]

I was contemplating the meaning of this thread, and I can't help but be astounded by the arrogance it takes to assume that science has anything to do with the bible.

When you consider the centuries of effort, developing instrumentation, making observations, coming up with explanations, having these explanations confirmed, refuted, going back developing new instrumentation, making whole new observations, and having these critiqued for accuracy, logic and reproducibility. This painstaking process has involved countless people, the giants we know, but their work required the basis of little steps that came before and during. All of this effort translated into technologies that have improved the lives of millions of people. Improvements in food production, medical care, travel, communication, new materials which are cheaper to produce, the current development of sustainable technologies. All of these stemming from that same level of effort, care and determination that bore the scientific principles that make all of this possible.
To have this body of work marginalized by saying it is merely approaching the truth of god is beyond an insult. It’s a form of careless, thoughtless arrogance that only comes from a view of assumed superiority. If the bible does contain these truths, we were they written so criptically? Why would it be encoded in enigmas instead of clearing stating truth? I’m certain that the common response is that “we weren’t ready for the truth, couldn’t understand it, or that we are still too simple to understand what the bible is really saying.” However, none of these satisfy the question of, Why couldn’t god explain it simply? There is no evidence to suggest that we are any “smarter” now than 2000+ years ago. So, if we could handle these understandings, so could we have handled them 2000 years ago.
No, the bible has nothing to do with science. These attempts at bridging the gap has nothing to do with god (whether he is or isn’t). It has all to do with fundamentalist people pretending that they know something more than those who live in the rational world. It reeks of the exact same type of feigning that is done by mystics and psychics. It’s an act and a con. It’s offensive and self serving.

 

[Hawk one]

Reasons why DOC is most assuredly not a practicing Christian.

1) He ignores Matthew 5:39. Jesus clearly states that if a man has wronged you the only appropriate response is to turn the other cheek. DOC has never demonstrated that philosophy in any of his threads. He holds grudges against those that identify his logical errors and those that label him a troll.

Strictly speaking, since he is hardly ever wronged at as such (pointing out his continous lies isn't wronging him in any sane sense of the word), so he doesn't have to ignore that verse.

 

[articulett]

What joobz said.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Well, DOC's assertion is the same as the fundy Islamist assertion that the Koran has scientific truth in it that science has just now caught up with. They've quoted verses of humans coming from a bloot clot and other such nonsense to support their case. Of course, they also ignore the parts where the sun sets into the mud and such. Believers translate their holy books as is convinient for the situation.

 

[H3LL]

I was contemplating the meaning of this thread, and I can't help but be astounded by the arrogance it takes to assume that science has anything to do with the bible...etc.

Nominated.

As a text book that takes several thousand years to understand what the heck it's on about, the bible is not recommended for science class.

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[Safe-Keeper]

1) He ignores Matthew 5:39. Jesus clearly states that if a man has wronged you the only appropriate response is to turn the other cheek. DOC has never demonstrated that philosophy in any of his threads. He holds grudges against those that identify his logical errors and those that label him a troll.

There are also the 'know when to [rule8]ing quit' passages such as 'throw not your pearls before swines', and the one about how you shouldn't bother to save dead lambs, only the hurt ones... or whatever it was.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

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Let's say a US president decides to nuke people who want to fight against Jerusalem and to destroy Israel. (aka Iran's leadership) I have a feeling that that president (who we know believes in God since an atheist can't get elected president in the US) will pray to God for guidance. If the US uses nuclear weapons first, God will be a part of that decision (in my lifetime anyway).

How do you know Bush isn't the AntiChrist, the false profit, or just plain mentally ill?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I don't mean to insult. I'm just speaking reality. A publicly admitted atheist can't get elected president in the US and probably not a US Senator either. That's just the reality in America 2007.

"Publicly admitted" in this case does not require belief.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Reasons why DOC is most assuredly not a practicing Christian.

1) He ignores Matthew 5:39. Jesus clearly states that if a man has wronged you the only appropriate response is to turn the other cheek. DOC has never demonstrated that philosophy in any of his threads.

Turn the other cheek? Some hold that it means one should moon that person, which is "the other cheek" turned to person who has wronged one.

He holds grudges against those that identify his logical errors and those that label him a troll.

An internet form of mooning?

2) He ignores Matthew 10:14. Jesus says that if people do not welcome you or receive your message, then you should leave.

But is that all He said? I think not.

DR

 

[Tanstaafl]

Is that the one where he says to clean the dust of that town off your shoes, and never go back? And how badly that town will fare on judgement day?

If that's the chapter I'm thinking of, there's still no mention of harrassing people or lying to them. I don't think Jesus was into that. Still leaves DOC as not much of a Christian.

 

[kmortis]

Is that the one where he says to clean the dust of that town off your shoes, and never go back? And how badly that town will fare on judgement day?

If that's the chapter I'm thinking of, there's still no mention of harrassing people or lying to them. I don't think Jesus was into that. Still leaves DOC as not much of a Christian.

Bear in mind that the same person who said that you should shake the dust off your sandals also cursed an innocent little fig tree for - wait for it - not producing figs out of season. Not a rational mind there.

Also, how poorly informed was Jesus that he thought that the end of the world was immenant immimanant going to happen soon?