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Gag Order

Gravy said:
Greg Szymanski could hardly be a less rational, less reliable "journalist." Please see my post #6, which cites John Shaw, who took Felt's call, and Felt's wife, as saying that no explosion occurred.

I cited three sources of interviews with Shaw, showing that he was not under a gag order. You cite two crackpots who say he is, with no backup. I win. Next.
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Thats all opinion. Your judgement of journalistic ability and mental state is meaningless. Got any facts?
 
Fact:
Glen Cramer took the Ed Felt Call.
Fact:
Glen Cramer's testimony about that call is public record.
Fact:
You have provided no sworn testimony or audio confession from Mr. Cramer indicating he is forbidden to talk about the call from Felt, by the FBI.

NEXT!

TAM:)
 
Cheers said:
Thats all opinion. Your judgement of journalistic ability and mental state is meaningless. Got any facts?
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See my previous posts. Do you have something to add regarding an alleged gag order against the Westmoreland County emergency system operators and supervisors, or are we all done here?
 
Glenn Cramer is under a gag order. You have presented nothing to the contrary.

Stop poisoning the well.
 
Cheers, first, opinion is not "meaningless." Opinion has meaning. But I think we are trying to discuss facts. You cited a source regarded as very unreliable (Szymanski); Gravy has provided a couple of articles which are regarded as more reliable. If you can't do better than say, "I like my sources more than your sources," then we might as well all tune out. You are trying to convince people here, aren't you? Please make it a serious effort.

Let's cut to the chase. What is your relationship with Slats Grobnik, that great good man?

Now in the key of your own choosing:

"When Slats Grobnik was a little baby,
Sittin' on his mama's knee,
He picked up the Coliseum in his little right hand,
Said, 'New World Order's gonna be the death of me, lawd, lawd,
New World Order's gonna be the death of me.'"
 
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He has told Terrorcell that he is gagged. Why dont you speak to him yourself? Do some research for a change.
 
Because I think Terrorcell is lying.

Provide the email addresses and I am sure someone here will, although I am sure the poor man has been harrassed by the kooks enough that he doesnt need anyone else mailing him.

TAM:)
 
Cheers said:
Glenn Cramer is under a gag order. You have presented nothing to the contrary.

Stop poisoning the well.
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You can not find a real source? Stop with the woo sources, and post a real source. If you can not find a real source you should relax you are a truther, unable to find real facts and evidence about 9/11; you should go to a forum like LCF, they will agree with you and they are at your level of truth.
 
cozmo236 said:
He claims that there has been a gag order placed on John Shaw, the operator who actually took Felt's call, and on Glenn Cramer, the supervisor.
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Cheers said:
More interesting is the gag order on Sibel Edmonds. Is that made up by terrorcell too?
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Gentlemen, looking at your questions from a legal perspective, what's being said about "gag orders' seems extremely unlikely.

A gag order is just that - an Order. The only body in government that can issue an Order is a Court. A gag order occurs when a judge in an ongoing case orders the parties not to discuss the matter in public. Really the only reason is that the judge thinks such a discussion will prejudice a jury or otherwise interfere with the Court's ability to hear the matter fairly.

So, when you claim there are gag orders on certain individuals, my first question is: In what ongoing case? I know of no case in any court in any jurisdiction in any country involving these people. Find the case and you can find the Order. It will be a matter of public record (and probably hotly contested by news organizations).

There are certain exceptions. A non-disclosure clause could be confused with a gag order. In that case, a person has willingly contracted to not disclose something for some amount of money or other consideration. To my knowledge, no government agency in any jurisdiction in America buys silence from non-employees with a non-disclosure agreement. It's pretty much the opposite of how our justice system works.

In certain cases, CIA employees (and others in inteligence) can be stopped from revealing certain secrets, but none of the people you named were CIA employees who learned their secrets in the course of their CIA employment.

I know of no case in history where a private citizen who happened to come across sensitive information was stopped by the government from revealing it. In fact, the very famous Pentagon PapersWP case involved government attempts to stop the New York Times from publishing 7,000 pages of secret documents on the Vietnam War. The Supreme Court ruled that the government could go jump in a lake (using, I believe, those exact words).

Understanding how the system works, I find it unlikely bordering on impossible for the allegations of "gag orders" to be true.



Edit: Darn it all to heck, what's the Wikipedia tag?
 
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SDC said:
Cheers, first, opinion is not "meaningless." Opinion has meaning. But I think we are trying to discuss facts. You cited a source regarded as very unreliable (Szymanski); Gravy has provided a couple of articles which are regarded as more reliable. If you can't do better than say, "I like my sources more than your sources," then we might as well all tune out. You are trying to convince people here, aren't you? Please make it a serious effort.

Let's cut to the chase. What is your relationship with Slats Grobnik, that great good man?
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Contact these two men yourself. TC has done that and been told they are gagged. Will you contact them, yes or no?
 
Cheers said:
He has told Terrorcell that he is gagged. Why dont you speak to him yourself? Do some research for a change.
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No. Terrorcell said this. TC is regarded as being as crazy as a betsy bug. Why should people believe this tale? Please try harder. Call Cramer. Call the FBI. Call whoever you like. But try harder!

How exactly would the FBI impose a "gag order," anyhow? I thought that was for the Courts to decide. Edit: Loss Leader knows what he's talking about.
 
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Cheers said:
Contact these two men yourself. TC has done that and been told they are gagged. Will you contact them, yes or no?
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Contact Slats Grobnik? How can I? He's evidently out building the Coliseum. I'll bet the poor devil doesn't have time to take any calls. And even if he did I wouldn't want to disturb him.

Or if you mean Cramer, I don't feel the need. What I've heard from sources I trust says TC's tale is the bunkeroo.
 
Gravy said:
I provided sources that show that Shaw has freely spoken. We win. Stupidity and lying loses.
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How does your link prove anything? He isn't asked about a gag order or explosions.

Terrorcell did what a real researcher does and contacted them. Will you do the same?
 
Cheers said:
How does your link prove anything? He isn't asked about a gag order or explosions.

Terrorcell did what a real researcher does and contacted them. Will you do the same?
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What explosion? Do you make up this stuff or just pass on junk from others? And your sources are full of junk. Do you know that?
 
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Gravy said:
A journalist? Here are Szymanski's last three archived articles:

Slats Learned True Anti-Christ System Is The Papacy From Reading Bible While Building Replica NWO Coliseum In Kansas Corn Field

Does Bush, the Black Pope, Larry King and Alex Jones Have the Guts to take this Vatican Quiz?


Confession to the Jesuits No.34: Is the Society of Jesus Planning Another Staged Hollywood Fantasy Mother Mary Siting?
My sources are actual journalists, Cheers. Please learn the difference.
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I have a question, which I hope is not too off-topic given the nature of the topic: seemingly an open-and-shut case of conspiracy theorists being mistaken about a situation crossed with extreme confirmation bias (again), as demonstrated wisely and eloquently by our resident legal expert, Loss Leader. But I digress.

Black Pope?
 
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