Is Science getting closer to God and the Bible?

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This website claims there are billions of different ways the sequence of events presented by Moses could have been presented.



"If a human author had written Genesis 1 without God's help he could have presented/listed the 14 events mentioned in over 87 billion different sequences. How could a human author have selected the sequence, beginning with Light first and Man last, which has now (3600 years later) been shown to match the sequence that modern science accepts?

Over 3,000 years ago, God presented men with the story of Genesis. He knew that man would always have great curiosity about his environment and history. Since this story was presented to very primitive humans, who were almost universally illiterate, He knew that the story should be brief and clear and fairly simple. (Few modern Christians seem to realize that at the time of Moses (around 1600 BC), there was not yet any written language invented (the first written languages being developed around 1200 BC. Prior to that, only symbols in stone, hieroglyphs and similar systems, but no language.)

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"Since no human up to less than a hundred years ago had the knowledge to list the various Genesis events in the "correct" scientific order, and since it just isn't written in the anthropocentric way that we humans tend to do, there seems to be overwhelming support for the validity of the Bible being directly from the Inspiration of God. The many additional proofs offered by others, including historical and archaeological evidence and textual analysis, collectively make, to me, an overwhelming case for the Bible being directly from God."


http://www.mb-soft.com/public/genesis5.html
 
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DOC said:
"Since no human up to less than a hundred years ago had the knowledge to list the various Genesis events in the "correct" scientific order
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Very good point, I recall my granddad telling me that when he was a boy 100 years ago scientists thought that first God created man then carelessly lost him so on the second day he created the sun and stars to see if he could find him. But God lost those as well as he hadn’t made light, a small error corrected on the third day. When he finally found man, who by this time was pretty pissed off God sought to appease him with grass and trees and the like. Which was fine but he had nowhere to stick them so God quickly on the 5th day made the land. At which point man said "hey, I am lonely" so God made the animals, birds and fish. The animals and birds loved their new land but the fish were well miffed, so on day 7 God gave them water.
 
DOC said:
This website claims there are billions of different ways the sequence of events presented by Moses could have been presented.
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As shown earlier, the order in the bible isn't even close.
 
DOC said:
"Since no human up to less than a hundred years ago had the knowledge to list the various Genesis events in the "correct" scientific order, and since it just isn't written in the anthropocentric way that we humans tend to do, there seems to be overwhelming support for the validity of the Bible being directly from the Inspiration of God. The many additional proofs offered by others, including historical and archaeological evidence and textual analysis, collectively make, to me, an overwhelming case for the Bible being directly from God."
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So since the information in the bible isn't scientifc, it is proof of god? Isn't that the exact opposite of what you were trying to prove with your original post?
 
skeptigirl said:
John 4:5 "Then cometh he to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph."

Darn! I thought there was going to at least be a reference to a rodent.
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it's 1 John 4:5, not John 4:5

"They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them."
 
joobz said:
it's 1 John 4:5, not John 4:5

"They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them."
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OMG, mole men are the antichrist!
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I John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
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skeptigirl said:
OMG, mole men are the antichrist!
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Yes.
When will people realize that the true threat is what lies beneath, in elaborate cities of mud and stone. Those who dwell in caves and earth, shall one day rise and take the throne.


oogie boogie, oogie boogie, oogie boogie!
 
I have postulated that the lack of information in the Bible which one might expect if a god being actually inspired it, wrote it, or actually walked the Earth with Adam and Eve is clearly evidence the Bible as well as the Judeo-Christian religion is solely of human origin.
 
joobz said:
Yes.
When will people realize that the true threat is what lies beneath, in elaborate cities of mud and stone. Those who dwell in caves and earth, shall one day rise and take the throne.


oogie boogie, oogie boogie, oogie boogie!
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Even now their spies walk among us.
 

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DOC said:
Since this story was presented to very primitive humans, who were almost universally illiterate,
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_literature

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He knew that the story should be brief and clear and fairly simple.
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If it is so clear and simple why are you still debating it's meaning now?

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(the first written languages being developed around 1200 BC. Prior to that, only symbols in stone, hieroglyphs and similar systems, but no language.)
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I thought that was what written language was. How is the written language now that different to the lwritten languages back then?
 
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(Few modern Christians seem to realize that at the time of Moses (around 1600 BC), there was not yet any written language invented (the first written languages being developed around 1200 BC. Prior to that, only symbols in stone, hieroglyphs and similar systems, but no language.)
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I suspect that the Egyptians (of pyramid building fame) could somehow have recorded a tale of a God in the sky, taking some clay and making people out of it.

Or maybe God should have taught them some Chinese or ancient Persian first, then they could write it down. :rolleyes:
 
DOC said:
This website claims there are billions of different ways the sequence of events presented by Moses could have been presented.



"If a human author had written Genesis 1 without God's help he could have presented/listed the 14 events mentioned in over 87 billion different sequences. How could a human author have selected the sequence, beginning with Light first and Man last, which has now (3600 years later) been shown to match the sequence that modern science accepts?
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Erm.. how many of those 87 billion sequences are simply logicly unsound you know like creating the sea before creating the earth? You don't really need divine help to get that in the right order. Then here's the order I just read...

1 heavens
2 earth
3 light
4 sky
5 land
6 sea
7 plant life (on land)
8 sun
9 moon
10 stars
11 sea life
12 birds
13 land animals
14 man

Here's what I'd regard as the correct order

1-3 Light and Heavens Simultaneously. sky too it's the same thing as Heavens.
4 Stars
5 Sun
6-7 Earth and Land Simultaneously - it's the same thing
8 Sea
9 Moon (not 100% on this one might have been captured earlier or perhaps even later)
10 Sea life
11 Plant life (on land)
12 Land animals
13 Birds
14 Man

Do you see how the two lists are not in the same order? So a fair chunk of those 87 million sequences don't need divine help to exclude and another fair chunk are just a close as the one gensis mentions. Only on of them is correct and science isn't even 100% sure which one. What we do know for certain is that the list in Genesis is wrong. Birds evolved from land animals not the other way round. The sun is a young star, other stars happend first.
 
DOC said:
This website claims there are billions of different ways the sequence of events presented by Moses could have been presented.
"If a human author had written Genesis 1 without God's help he could have presented/listed the 14 events mentioned in over 87 billion different sequences. How could a human author have selected the sequence, beginning with Light first and Man last, which has now (3600 years later) been shown to match the sequence that modern science accepts?
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You've just been shown three account from the Bible, all of them different, and none of them match the sequence shown by modern science.

Secondly, almost ALL creation stories in other faiths start with creating light and earth and then plants and animals and finally man.


Since this story was presented to very primitive humans, who were almost universally illiterate
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Not true.

(Few modern Christians seem to realize that at the time of Moses (around 1600 BC), there was not yet any written language invented (the first written languages being developed around 1200 BC. Prior to that, only symbols in stone, hieroglyphs and similar systems, but no language.
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That's just silly. Hebrew wa derived from ancient Phoenecian and the hieroglyphs are far more than just "symbols in stone." They're syllables of a language (not pictures) and there's poetry and stories and prayers and medical advice and books of mathematics written in Egyptian and in cuneiform (Babylonian/Sumerian/Akkadian/etc). Written materials date to before 3000 BC.


"Since no human up to less than a hundred years ago had the knowledge to list the various Genesis events in the "correct" scientific order, and since it just isn't written in the anthropocentric way that we humans tend to do, there seems to be overwhelming support for the validity of the Bible being directly from the Inspiration of God.
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This shows that he hasn't bothered to read any history or he'd know that the sequence was known as far back as those unchristian Greeks like Aristotle and even farther back.


The many additional proofs offered by others, including historical and archaeological evidence and textual analysis, collectively make, to me, an overwhelming case for the Bible being directly from God."
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Speaking as an anthropologist who's familiar with some of the archaeological evidence, I can say this is complete nonsense.
 
DOC said:
(Few modern Christians seem to realize that at the time of Moses (around 1600 BC), there was not yet any written language invented (the first written languages being developed around 1200 BC. Prior to that, only symbols in stone, hieroglyphs and similar systems, but no language.)
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I should hope they don't realize that since it's demonstrably untrue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_communication#Symbols

And apart from the error about the advent of written language, Moses was a legendary figure who didn't exist.
 
DOC said:
(Few modern Christians seem to realize that at the time of Moses (around 1600 BC), there was not yet any written language invented (the first written languages being developed around 1200 BC. Prior to that, only symbols in stone, hieroglyphs and similar systems, but no language.)
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They don't "seem to realize" this because they have a better education than you do.

First, hieroglyphics is most certainly a written language. Saying otherwise is simply incorrect.

Second, you may have heard of a written language called "Hebrew," which dates long before 1200 BCE.

Third, Cuneiform, the writing system of Mesopotamia, dates back to about 3000 BCE.

Fourth, written Chinese puts them all to shame, going back as far as 6,000 BCE.

Fifth, DOC, just stop already. You obviously not only don't know what you're talking about, you refuse to acknowledge that you don't know what you're talking about. The wise man is not he who feigns knowledge, the wise man is he who acknowledges his ignorance.

DOC, my degree is in anthropology. I actually bothered to study this stuff. You might do the same before trying to "inform" people of things that are simply not true.
 
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