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perhaps not everything is lost for astrology

This is one of the saddest posts I have ever read. You gave astrological advice to someone with a violent ex-husband, and she listened to you and got hurt. Unlike what many people say, astrology is not harmless whimsy.
If people are stupid enough to act on it as opposed to joking about it and then forgetting it immediately after.

Side note - for any drug or treatment currently in legitimate use, we can show studies that had been subjected to oversight groups before they could be published that cover effectiveness, effectiveness compared to equivalent drugs/treatments, contraindications for use of the drug/treatment, precautions needed for use of the drug/treatment, adverse effects of the drug/treatment that are not contraindicative but do require consideration, etc. To the best of my knowledge, no such situation applies to astrology. In any form,style,method, etc. (This is in response to the astrologists comment of medicine a bit above this).
 
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Hey LION KING, you convinced me!!!!!! from now on I will change my goal and just try to predict which football team is going to win and who is going to fall in love with whom in the jet-set!!!!!!! Why bother trying helping others just by listening to their problems and offering a shoulder to cry on? I wouldn't be able to stop the bastard anyway if I could foresee that, so next time she tells me anything to take it out of her system I will say I am too busy to listen to her. Plain and simple, thanks for your enlightening words!!!!!!
 
Hey LION KING, you convinced me!!!!!! from now on I will change my goal and just try to predict which football team is going to win and who is going to fall in love with whom in the jet-set!!!!!!! Why bother trying helping others just by listening to their problems and offering a shoulder to cry on? I wouldn't be able to stop the bastard anyway if I could foresee that, so next time she tells me anything to take it out of her system I will say I am too busy to listen to her. Plain and simple, thanks for your enlightening words!!!!!!
You are misrepresenting my position in a most offensive way. There is absloutely nothing wrong in listening to someone and giving them a shoulder to cry on. On the other hand to use proven nonsense like astrology (or tea leaves) to give someone advice is wrong and dangerous.
 
Dear Gord, I quoted Gauquelin because it is ironic that he tried to prove his beliefs just by conducting a research which proved just the opposite, isn't that funny?????

Not particularly. From your convoluted explantion of what you thought Gauquelin did you seemed to be saying he disproved his original belief that astrology did not work.

Not true as by what I quoted.
 
And within my reach, for the moment, and with the information I have, I can only work on humans' natal charts, which doesn't mean if you want to study why Jüng preview Freud's library's cristal was going to break alone you don't do it, my friend

OK, if I recall correctly, you have said on this thread that all you require is a persons time and place of birth to do a natal chart. So, here it is:

Note that this data is not particularly hidden AFAIK, - I have listed this information on a number of BBs.

My date of birth is 20 September 1949, approx. 3:00AM
My birthplace is Geelong (Australia)

I have to do three specific things within the next week. If you can name them, then you have converted me to a believer. If you cannot, you are posting the sort of thing I use to make my roses grow.

Please be specific - generalisations do not count. I will repeat this: PLEASE BE SPECIFIC.

Thanking you in anticipation

Norm
 
OK, if I recall correctly, you have said on this thread that all you require is a persons time and place of birth to do a natal chart. So, here it is:

Note that this data is not particularly hidden AFAIK, - I have listed this information on a number of BBs.

My date of birth is 20 September 1949, approx. 3:00AM
My birthplace is Geelong (Australia)

I have to do three specific things within the next week. If you can name them, then you have converted me to a believer. If you cannot, you are posting the sort of thing I use to make my roses grow.

Please be specific - generalisations do not count. I will repeat this: PLEASE BE SPECIFIC.

Thanking you in anticipation

Norm

Don't think that is a fair test FDU.

Proluna8 won't know that people from "Sleepy Hollow" are usually born with an extra eye and standing up.. :)

This could affect the reading.. :)
 
Don't think that is a fair test FDU.

Proluna8 won't know that people from "Sleepy Hollow" are usually born with an extra eye and standing up.. :)

This could affect the reading.. :)
Not bad, but the anti-Geelong jokes are falling a bit flat since the last Saturday in September. This only leaves us with Tasmanians.:D
 
Well FROMDOWNUNDER, thank you very much for sharing your data with me, but first of all: how can you demand that I am specific when you say you were born at aproximately 3 am??? On the other hand, I found two places called Geelong in Australia: east and west Geelong!!! How can I be specific with that information?

What I can say until we have some more accurate data is that you have been experiencing problems to have a good night sleep these days. You may have had some communication problems with siblings (if you have them because there are some confusing things you never understood about them, perhaps half siblings or step siblings. How are your lungs, do you smoke much?)

I will dare to say you experienced one of the worst moments of your life between your 49s and your 54s. During that period you felt you couldn't understand why everything was falling apart, total and profound sadness, You couldn't understand what the others were saying and you couldn't change to become what they wanted you to be.

And at 54 you suddenly decided to start doing things you liked better, you started prioritizing yourself (people around you still don't understand your sudden change) Are the ages correct? Remember we may have a difference due to the birth time.

Last year all your thoughts revolved around the things you wanted to achieve (and you mother if you still have her with you, I think she is not with you) and you had several problems at home.
This year your head is going to be full of ideas about yourself, your desires and your money. (Since Dec 2005 when you had some trouble, mid june 2006 when they hit you again and by the end of Aug 2006 when you had to move, the feeling that money is a bigger issue these days is there sitting by you)

It is very likely you are thinking about travelling and you probably will on Wednesday, (or next month if the time is not correct!!!) and also there are some variables that may change according to your hometown.

PLEASE NOTE THIS:
I am considering east Geelong (maybe you were born in West Geelong and I am doomed!!!!!) and 3:00 (which you are not sure, and a difference of one minute means up to four months in the calculations!!!!!)
YOU WERE VERY KIND AND SHARED YOUR INFORMATION WITH ME, PLEASE GO AN EXTRA MILE AND HELP ME MADE SOME CORRECTIONS TO DETERMINE YOUR EXACT TIME OF BIRTH:
Did you have a problem with a girl friend when you were 20? or was it when you were 19, 21?
When was it that you had your communication "interrupted" with your "brother" because one of you departed? 15, 16, 17?

I sincerily hope you don't feel disapointed I am not being specific, please concede your info was not either, I can not emphasize this enough.

Thank you for sharing, i know for a very rational virgo like you are, details are key and my answer is probably going to help your roses grow, hahaha, but passionate as you are this can be fun also, the problem is how difficult it is to be optimistc, isnt it? Mother had too many problems while pregnant with you and those things go with us for the whole journey. Kiss, Adriana
 
proluna8,

If it is out of your field of study, how can you say it is "absolutely stupid" to say your dog is a Libra?

Did you know that in 25,000 years from now, the star signs won't look the same as they do now?

Why are the people you listed "real" astrologers? Fludd - to pick one - cast horoscopes, yet you dismiss them.
 
Since you were kind enough to respond pretty quickly, I feel that I should reciprocate. Here is my response to your specific points:

Well FROMDOWNUNDER, thank you very much for sharing your data with me, but first of all: how can you demand that I am specific when you say you were born at aproximately 3 am??? On the other hand, I found two places called Geelong in Australia: east and west Geelong!!! How can I be specific with that information?

Are you suggesting that Astrology does not work at all unless the exact moment of birth is known? In any event, East and West Geelong are both suburbs of Geelong, within walking distance of each other. The hospital I was born in is smack dab in the middle. Do you truly require exact latitiude and longitude, within 1/100th of a degree and the exact second of birth to get an accurate reading?

Please get serious!

What I can say until we have some more accurate data is that you have been experiencing problems to have a good night sleep these days.

Some nights yes, most nights no, same as other people. Is it not the same with most people?

You may have had some communication problems with siblings (if you have them because there are some confusing things you never understood about them, perhaps half siblings or step siblings. How are your lungs, do you smoke much?)

No problems at all with the kids - no half or step siblings. Yes, I am a smoker, but then most of us born in the forties are/were.

I will dare to say you experienced one of the worst moments of your life between your 49s and your 54s. During that period you felt you couldn't understand why everything was falling apart, total and profound sadness, You couldn't understand what the others were saying and you couldn't change to become what they wanted you to be.

Sorry, absolutely nothing went wrong. I retired from work when I was 52 and have never been happier. It was the greatest decision I ever made. Two other circumstances at the time - I had sufficient money, and my son was just at the right age to go on overseas holidays. I took him to the USA and Mexico, New Zealand, Queensland, and all around Victoria during this very period. We had a ball. I would suggest that this is the total opposite of what you proposed


And at 54 you suddenly decided to start doing things you liked better, you started prioritizing yourself (people around you still don't understand your sudden change) Are the ages correct? Remember we may have a difference due to the birth time.

Well, absolutely everything is wrong about this statement. I cannot recognise any reality in it whatsoever.

Last year all your thoughts revolved around the things you wanted to achieve (and you mother if you still have her with you, I think she is not with you) and you had several problems at home.

Well I suppose it is reasonable to guess that at my age, my mother would have died. But it would be an incorrect guess. She is alive and well, lives 20 minutes from where I live, and is coming back from Queensland this coming week, where she is currently visiting my sister. When she is not away, we meet about twice a month in Geelong (that's the middle part) and have lunch and a drink or two.

This year your head is going to be full of ideas about yourself, your desires and your money. (Since Dec 2005 when you had some trouble, mid june 2006 when they hit you again and by the end of Aug 2006 when you had to move, the feeling that money is a bigger issue these days is there sitting by you)

Actualy, money is and always has been the least of my concerns. What do you mean by "had to move?"

It is very likely you are thinking about travelling and you probably will on Wednesday, (or next month if the time is not correct!!!) and also there are some variables that may change according to your hometown.

Nope. What do you mean by travel? Am I to visit the Supermarket to buy groceries? Go to Sydney? (Actually I was supposed to be in Sydney on the 4th of next month, but cancelled, because of one of the events you utterly failed to predict).

PLEASE NOTE THIS:
I am considering east Geelong (maybe you were born in West Geelong and I am doomed!!!!!) and 3:00 (which you are not sure, and a difference of one minute means up to four months in the calculations!!!!!)

In respect of this, please see my first point. If you are trying to say that a four mile difference and a one minute error in "birth time" negates your predictions, you have an automatic cop out for every horoscope you ever cast. All you need to say is "I was obviously given the wrong data" It makes the whole exercise pretty pointless, don't you agree?

YOU WERE VERY KIND AND SHARED YOUR INFORMATION WITH ME, PLEASE GO AN EXTRA MILE AND HELP ME MADE SOME CORRECTIONS TO DETERMINE YOUR EXACT TIME OF BIRTH:
Did you have a problem with a girl friend when you were 20? or was it when you were 19, 21?
When was it that you had your communication "interrupted" with your "brother" because one of you departed? 15, 16, 17?

No, I married my girlfriend when I was 20 (she was 19). We have three lovely kids - well, not kids any more, obviously.

I don't understand the other question. What do you mean by "interrupted" or "departed". Obviously, we do not live in the same house any more - and have not for well over 40 years (I am the youngest of four siblings, and yes, they are all still alive - we all get along just fine, although we are spread all over the countryside these days. We will all be together on Saturday for one of the events you utterly failed to attempt to predict.

I sincerily hope you don't feel disapointed I am not being specific, please concede your info was not either, I can not emphasize this enough.

Sorry, as I have already said twice if you need information to the degree you asked, then the whole thing is nonsense.

Thank you for sharing, i know for a very rational virgo like you are, details are key and my answer is probably going to help your roses grow, hahaha, but passionate as you are this can be fun also, the problem is how difficult it is to be optimistc, isnt it? Mother had too many problems while pregnant with you and those things go with us for the whole journey. Kiss, Adriana

I think it is easy to be optimistic. I jump out of bed every morning wondering what the new day will bring. I keep very busy, as an Admin on a BB (no, not this one). And as I implied in my post, this week is bringing some great events, which I am seriously looking forward to. It's a pity that you failed utterly to even address my questions. It is an exciting week for me.

And, actually, one thing I do recall, was that Mom got a craving for Violet Crumbles when she was pregnant with me. I was born all spotty, possibly because of this (Honeycomb will do it every time). I got over it :)

I'll give you one out of 100 for finding out (roughly) where Geelong is, and two out of 100 for picking the Violet Crumble fetish.

Norm
 
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You know, I love it when the next astrology person comes in here says (I'm paraphrasing) "To heck with all those hacks, I can do proper astrology! Mine works!".... and then their predictions end up sounding exactly the same as the rest of them.
 
To sum it up, everything IS lost for astrology. Except its main purpose as a tool for scamming people for money of course.
 
One thing we can do about it: some big events are more easy to preview, for example: when Uranus, which has a SUDDEN and terrible effect on some things, passed in front of the constellation of piscis (representing the oceans) that horrible tsunami affected Asia.


Unfortunately, this seemed to come as a surprise to the astrologers as well, since none of them managed to predict the tsunami until after it had happened.
 
Well proluna8, we should be able to find a random group of men and ask them whether they self identify as homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual, transsexual, or something else. Then we can get their birth info, give it to you, and ask you to assign orientations. The math is a lot simpler if we can stick to two variations (homosexual and heterosexual) but it's doable either way. We could even do a simple little test here on the forums where random male posters send in their info anonymously and you try to figure them out.

I should warn you that many others have done this sort of test in the past and they always fail. I mean always. Or to put it another way, they never succeed. This is why we say all is lost for astrology. If there were ONE good solid success of this kind we could talk about sidereal and judicial and Mars and precessions and the like and figure out what made this success special. But we can't!

The reasons for Gauquelin 's apparent success are extremely complicated, and researchers are still debating whether or not he was a conscious cheat or whether he just got sloppy. The short answer is that when he couldn't get good information on a subject, he would reject it if it didn't fit his theory and accept it if it did. But his track record is so poor that I don't consider anything he does to be at all valid.
 
perhaps a more hybridized type of woo will work better.
How about combining astrology and numerology?
(and a touch of phrenology)
 

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