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Debunk-a-LIHOP

Childlike Empress said:
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OMG< Alex Jones stuff. Good job… Zero credibility and total BS.

Please keep your Alex Jones stuff in the fake idea sub forum. Please.
 
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Oliver said:
You got that wrong.

It's not shocking at all that the Hijackers had foreign
support - it's rather the question why Eleanor Hill, who
saw the CIA and FBI documents, thought the content
was "very disturbing".

This clearly indicates that there is something within these
files which is beyond the "non-shocking", official story.
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You don't find the accepted account of 9/11 shocking? I do. I find it horrifying.

Obviously it's not quite horrifying for you. Or maybe it's too horrifying. I know that assuming a circumstance without any evidence whatsoever is entirely irrational.

-Gumboot
 
Oliver said:
Yes, the "disturbing" information within the classified
CIA and FBI documents is about foreign financing...

But this isn't new - we know that foreigners did it anyway.
So what should be "very disturbing" about it???

We know that Bush and Co. had and have Saudi connections.
We know that the Saudis were swept under the carpet in the investigation.
We know that we don't fully know much about the financial ties.

So yes, it's easy to draw a conclusion here for LIHOP'ers,
namely that there may have been a tie between the Administration
and the Saudi-Financiers that are blackened within the 9/11 Inquiry.

Of course - neither you or me is able to prove or disprove that.
But being a skeptic, I hold the position that LIHOP "could" be true,
we simply don't know enough to draw conclusions...

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To use those stupid Truth Movement acronyms, if the US Admin were in with the financiers of 9/11 that would be MIHOP, not LIHOP.

If people in the US government found out after the fact that people they were connected with had funded 9/11 that would be neither MIHOP nor LIHOP. But it would be certainly possible they'd want to hide it. The best you could bust them for would be Obstruction of Justice. Frankly I believe this is the ONLY plausible worst-case contents of those redacted pages.

LIHOP requires a MUCH bigger cover up than MIHOP. It's simply not possible. Think sensibly for a moment. Consider the risks involved in a LIHOP scenario. No one who wasn't clinically insane would EVER even consider LIHOP unless they could make absolutely 100% sure it would NEVER come out. That's not possible.

-Gumboot
 
beachnut said:
OMG< Alex Jones stuff. Good job… Zero credibility and total BS.

Please keep your Alex Jones stuff in the fake idea sub forum. Please.
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Why don't you simply watch the [rule10]ing video, nut? The fact that one of the whistleblowers was interviewed by AJ adds or substracts nothing to the value of the video. It contains facts, nut. Facts. Facts.
 
Oliver said:
*Lol* I understand your point...

The question is: "If Al Qaida is responsible for the financing,
why should it be >very disturbing< to see that Al Qaida is
behind the financing"?

Or how can it be disturbing what's in the classified documents???

We simply don't know - right? :)
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The pages obviously reveal sources of Al Qaeda funds. The major sources of Al Qaeda funds are oil-rich Arab nations. Companies and individuals involved in oil almost certainly have had dealings in their past with people who actively fund Al Qaeda. That's a certainty. I'd be willing to bet money that's all those 28 pages show.

The reality is it's meaningless - having connections to a person does not mean you are responsible for or even aware of every action that person takes. But the other reality is to an emotional, irrational, and poorly thinking populace it would go down like a lead balloon.

If I found out someone I worked with once had funded a terrorist group that attacked my country, and if going after that person would lose you a vital ally to defeating said terrorists, I'd bury it too. You'd be stupid not too.

This is not a criminal investigation. It's a war. You cannot take down every rich businessman who threw money at Al Qaeda, especially not at the cost of talking Al Qaeda itself down.

If nothing else, this confirms something I've argued for all along - Radical Islam is far more pervasive, and far better supported in the Muslim world than we in the west are willing to acknowledge.

-Gumboot
 
gumboot said:
You don't find the accepted account of 9/11 shocking? I do. I find it horrifying.

Obviously it's not quite horrifying for you. Or maybe it's too horrifying. I know that assuming a circumstance without any evidence whatsoever is entirely irrational.

-Gumboot
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No. The point is: "We don't know".
To claim otherwise is dishonest (Woo/irrational).
 
Childlike Empress said:
Bla bla. BS, man. Don't believe everything your dad in the military tells you. Continue writing fantasy but stop asking us to take that crap serious.
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Are you feeling okay? If you want to discuss things, feel free. Please don't make this personal. This discussion has nothing whatsoever to do with anyone in my family. Please drop that line of thought.

-Gumboot
 
wrong again, zero facts present in this video

Childlike Empress said:
Why don't you simply watch the [rule10]ing video, nut? The fact that one of the whistleblowers was interviewed by AJ adds or substracts nothing to the value of the video. It contains facts, nut. Facts. Facts.
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I am still watching the video (again. Still no facts found, still looking. it is stupid, and funny stuff). It is the biggest collection of idiots in the world. I can't believe anyone believes these idiots. OOPS they did not; no Pulitzer Prizes for exposing Nothing. These guys are all BS perfect idiots who have earned no credibitiy in the world. In other words you have presented stuff, OLD stuff that is real bad junk. Worth zero to understand 9/11. Zero.

You have done as good as you can. But failed to come up with anything worth using for anything. They all have got their 15 minutes, and wasted them. Too bad for you. Please tell me which one is the best of all, or least amount of false information.

I like the guy who said, "I knew something was going to happen". But he never said what.

Alex Jones is perfect for identifying totally worthless stuff (he even sell soap). He makes it easy to identify junk. But please feel free to point out which of these people earned the Pulitzer Prize for exposing 9/11? Hurry.

It comes down to this; CBS and the other real news stories on this video; those units are hoping no body does a "look what the idiots at CBS put on the air, total idiots who made up stuff". The real story is, this video says nothing about 9/11. Some of it is clearly fantasy world junk and if you can not distingue the far out from just the fake, you are not very good at research into real world events and have a problem identify facts.

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gumboot said:
So why do you keep claiming otherwise?

-Gumboot
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I claim that it's possible that there is more to it.
Or how do you explain the "The CIA/FBI documents were very disturbing"-comment?

By that I mean - there may be more to it than we know - in contrast to her...
 
Oliver said:
I claim that it's possible that there is more to it.
Or how do you explain the "The CIA/FBI documents were very disturbing"-comment?

By that I mean - there may be more to it than we know - in contrast to her...
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Thanks Oliver, I'll now go and bang my head on my keyboard :hb:
 
Bell said:
Thanks Oliver, I'll now go and bang my head on my keyboard :hb:
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Who is the woman who has the most disturbing comment stuff; is is Sibel Edmonds? The supreme WB? not

(do not tell CE, flower power forever, and the password to the big I was just a joke)
 
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beachnut said:
Who is the woman who has the most disturbing comment stuff; is is Sibel Edmonds? The supreme WB? not

(do not tell CE, flower power forever, and the password to the big I was just a joke)
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Yeah, i've read that Sibel isn't relevant because she began working for the FBI after 9/11. Several times. Watch the video. That's so ignorant as the stuff of the twentysomething fantasy writer from the green isle who doesn't know what NORAD timeline he should use to "debunk" common 9/11 CT's. Why should i prefere his word above Robert Bowman's? There is no reason. If you want to continue this line, count me out.
 
Oliver said:
I claim that it's possible that there is more to it.
Or how do you explain the "The CIA/FBI documents were very disturbing"-comment?

By that I mean - there may be more to it than we know - in contrast to her...
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The contents of your posts suggest to me quite strongly that you're doing a lot more than claiming something is possible. You've let your rabid hatred of the US administration convince you that they must have done something-anything to let 9/11 happen.

Let it go, Oliver. There are ample real reasons to despise the idiots running the USA right now. If you absolutely need to link it to 9/11 focus on the way that used the attacks to push their Iraq agenda - managing to completely lose the initiative against Al Qaeda in the process. That alone is behaviour worthy of endless condemnation.

The United States Government could not stop 9/11 happening, and they certainly didn't allow it to happen.

-Gumboot
 
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