Most atheists do not know what science says about our origins

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

My point is that if you "put your faith in science" and science says that you, and all your relatives, and millions of plant and animal species came from a single bacterium, then you should know about it.

That's just restating your OP. What is your point? Your motive? What do you wish to accomplish by doing this? What do you expect the effects of this to be?

 

[Upchurch]

My point is that if you "put your faith in science" and science says that you, and all your relatives, and millions of plant and animal species came from a single bacterium, then you should know about it.

Whoever said that most atheists "put [their] faith in science" or, indeed, have the kind of faith you are alluding to?

 

[AudioFreak]

My point is that if you "put your faith in science" and science says that you, and all your relatives, and millions of plant and animal species came from a single bacterium, then you should know about it.

I'd counter with the fact that you have no evidence to support your asstimates. The resounding response has been that we're already aware of the implications of evolution with regards to ancestry. Likewise, putting ones "faith" in science is a logical conclusion when presented with the alternatives.

 

[joobz]

My point is that if you "put your faith in science"

Who is doing this?

and science says that you, and all your relatives, and millions of plant and animal species came from a single bacterium

science doesn't say this. We've just gone over this.

, then you should know about it.

I agree.

 

[Irony]

My point is that if you "put your faith in science" and science says that you, and all your relatives, and millions of plant and animal species came from a single bacterium, then you should know about it.

1)Faith = belief without evidence.
Science = explanations based on evidence.
Faith in Science is nonsensical.

2)Science doesn't say what you think it says

3)Just because you are ignorant of X doesn't mean everyone, or the majority of Y, or for that matter anyone else on the freaking planet is equally ignorant.

 

[Upchurch]

In light of this thread's theme of providing information to those who ought to already know it:

DOC, were you aware that Jesus's divinity was highly controversial among the early Christians and was not generally agreed until some 300 years later when it was decided by, of all things, a committee?

 

[Hokulele]

I am going to try this a different way.

DOC, what do you think the difference is between the three following scenarios:

1) Every living thing evolved from one single blue-green algae whateverunittheycomein*.

2) Every living thing evolved from one or more blue-green algae whateverunittheycomein*.

3) Every person that has ever lived evolved from one single ape*.

4) Every animal that ever lived evolved from one single reptile*.



What is the difference and why do you think it would matter?

You see, to me as an atheist with a little bit of a Buddhist background (via my mother), every living thing has beauty and value. I would feel no less of myself or my origins if I learned that I am ape, a bacterium, or an angel. One of the loveliest parts about not believing what churches tell people, is that you no longer have to follow a hierarchical system that places values on things based on what seems to be an arbitrary scale. Of course, I do feel greater kinship with people, then other apes, then so forth across the tree of life, but kinship does not have to equate to worth.

In other words, don't feel bad that you are just another hominid, there is nothing wrong with it.



* Note to the peanut gallery, I am not suggesting any of these statements are true, just trying to frame them in DOCspeak.

 

[joobz]

What is the difference and why do you think it would matter?

I'm willing to bet that he doesn't like the demotion.
I mean we went from Center of universe to not even the center of the solar system, which isn't even the center of the universe.

He probably feels that going from "man is created in god's image" to being simply a small part of the whole chain of life and a growth from pond scum is just too much to accept.

 

[Hokulele]

I'm willing to bet that he doesn't like the demotion.
I mean we went from Center of universe to not even the center of the solar system, which isn't even the center of the universe.

He probably feels that going from "man is created in god's image" to being simply a small part of the whole chain of life and a growth from pond scum is just too much to accept.

I agree with you, I just wanted to see if he would have the courage to admit it publically. Realistically, he will probably ignore my post and either post some random blithering, or get offended by a random sample of the previous 10 posts.

And hey, speaking of bets, is it too late to get in on the "what joobz knows" action?

 

[kmortis]

And hey, speaking of bets, is it too late to get in on the "what joobz knows" action?

Oh, that's an easy one. Joobz knowz football...


...or waz that Bo?

 

[joobz]

And hey, speaking of bets, is it too late to get in on the "what joobz knows" action?

Unfortunately, Yes. It is too late.
So the bet was

joobz... did not know humans evolved ... from reptiles. The common ancestor was bacteria than to invertebrates (such as jellyfish) than later fish, than later reptiles, than eventually humans.

Correct answer: I did not know that.

Why Did I not know that?: Because the statement is overly generalized to the point of inaccuracy. In other words, had DOC writen that answer on a test for a question related to the origins of man, I would have scored it 3 out of 10. The two points for at at least gasping the concept of common origin and 1 point for spelling.

What Did I know about the topic?: Humans and modern reptiles had common ancestry down to a species that may or may not have been a reptile but very possibly shared more reptilian characteristics than the characteristics that we know of as mammalian (Specifically the boobie characteristic).


So, all of those who stated that "I did not know that" you win. Collect your winnings at the typical location.

 

[Upchurch]

Correct answer: I did not know that.

Julia,

Since I didn't actually write anything down, I have to ask this hypothetically. How would you count the answer: "He knows enough to know better" ?

Would that have counted as correct or incorrect?

 

[DOC]

DOC, it has been shown over and over that you are a liar. Many, many specific times. And you're being dishonest here pretending that these charges are vague and general. Will I go back and quote all of the many times you have been proven to lie? No, why should I waste my time. The Jefferson thread has many instances.

You don't want to waste your time because its a empty assertion. Go, ahead, I challenge you to list all of my alleged lies at the end of the Jefferson thread. And while your at it I give you or anybody else the permission to list all of my alleged lies from all of my threads at the end of the Jefferson thread if anybody has the guts or intelligence to try to do it.

And if nobody who makes statements like the above quote does this, then your either a phony, a troll, or exactly what you claim I am.

 

[AudioFreak]

You don't want to waste your time because its a empty assertion. Go, ahead, I challenge you to list all of my alleged lies at the end of the Jefferson forum. And while your at it I give you or anybody else the permission to list all of my alleged lies at the end of the Jefferson forum if anybody has the guts or intelligence to try to do it.

For one, nobody needs your permission to do this. Number two is the fact that it would be a waste of time because they've been brought up many times throughout all of the threads you start or involve yourself in, yet you clearly just ignore the information that shows you're wrong and never address it in any meaningful fashion. We call that willful ignorance; it's what lets the faithful sleep at night.

 

[fuelair]

Statements like these are meaningless, but they will continue again and again. Any troll can make a statement like this.

Why yes, yes you can. And have. And will again. And be called on it again.

 

[DOC]

Originally Posted by DOC

My point is that if you "put your faith in science" and science says that you, and all your relatives, and millions of plant and animal species came from a single bacterium, then you should know about it.

Yes. But since that's not what science says (although it might at some point in the future,when the evidence is clearer)...

So your saying that Meadmaker is wrong when he says:

So, DOC has said that, according to science, we are all descended from a single organism. Yep. A bacterium. A cyanobacterium is the favored candidate. Blue green algae. Pond scum.

And your saying articulett is wrong when she says

But all the complex stuff--the stuff big enough to see (evolved from the same first multicellular creature)... plants too. Even Fungus.

 

[joobz]

Julia,

Since I didn't actually write anything down, I have to ask this hypothetically. How would you count the answer: "He knows enough to know better" ?

Would that have counted as correct or incorrect?

Susan,
Yes. That would be a highly accurate answer. You win back your masculinity!

Love
Julia.

 

[Achán hiNidráne]

My point is that if you "put your faith in science"...

As many have pointed out here, the phrase "faith in science" is a contradiction in terms.

...and science says that you, and all your relatives, and millions of plant and animal species came from a single bacterium, then you should know about it.

Even if this weren't a mangling of what biology teaches, I do wonder why you find the concept of common descent so horrific? I rather trace my genetic ancestry back to a "single bacterium" than to be the descendant of some apocryphal man who was magically "formed of the dust of the ground..." (Genisis 2:7) just to serve as some sadistic celestial tyrant's slave and plaything.

 

[DOC]

For one, nobody needs your permission to do this. Number two is the fact that it would be a waste of time because they've been brought up many times throughout all of the threads you start or involve yourself in, yet you clearly just ignore the information that shows you're wrong and never address it in any meaningful fashion.

Your not repeating what he said. He said I've lied over and over again. It's an empty assertion. And if he doesn't list all the alleged lies then the moderator should reprimand such a trollish statement.

So you made a misrepresentation when you said nobody needs to do "this".

 

[joobz]

Originally Posted by DOC

My point is that if you "put your faith in science" and science says that you, and all your relatives, and millions of plant and animal species came from a single bacterium, then you should know about it.


So your saying that Meadmaker is wrong when he says:


And your saying articulett is wrong when she says

WEll, of course he's not contradicting them. They did not say constradictory things. This isn't very hard, you know. And grows tiresome.

In keeping with the theme of informing: Let's say another fact:
Based upon the bible, God supports the killing of children.