What happens when an aircraft hits something that is not inclined to move?

[BigAl]

Kirkman denies that lighter materials can penetrate heavier materials under any circumstances.

Show him a video of a water jet cutting stainless steel

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5581402429487767287

There is a kOOk on Usenet now trying to argue that the fact that "they" don't make aluminum bullets proves that there was no plane at WTC.

Point out that a lead bullet can pierce steel. As a bit of trivia, when a copper-jacketed lead bullet is fired at quarter inch steel plate, the lead makes a hole and the jacket comes back at you, intact and inside out, more or less. Source: A WWII-vintage American Rifleman article about such tests. Don't ask and I'm not that old.

 

[ZENSMACK89]

Maybe this can be compared to the Pentagon or maybe even Shanksville if you want to reach but how does it compare to the WTC? Didn't the planes impale the towers? Even at the Pentagon there were holes out the back. And where’s the rest of the vid? You know when the wall globally collapses an hour later shooting debris in all directions?

Just throw it on the pile with supermarket fires and overpasses.

 

[Gravy]

In any case, this is not a standard civilian F-4, it's clearly a militarised model

Funniest pseudotruth quote of the week!

 

[leftysergeant]

Point out that a lead bullet can pierce steel. As a bit of trivia, when a copper-jacketed lead bullet is fired at quarter inch steel plate, the lead makes a hole and the jacket comes back at you, intact and inside out, more or less. Source: A WWII-vintage American Rifleman article about such tests. Don't ask and I'm not that old.

How about that thread I posted a while back to the effect that you can blow your brains out with a COTTON bullet?

It's all a matter of the number of foot-pounds of energy released at the point of contact.

 

[Quad4_72]

Maybe this can be compared to the Pentagon or maybe even Shanksville if you want to reach but how does it compare to the WTC? Didn't the planes impale the towers? Even at the Pentagon there were holes out the back. And where’s the rest of the vid? You know when the wall globally collapses an hour later shooting debris in all directions?

Just throw it on the pile with supermarket fires and overpasses.

Ummmm. No.

 

[Reheat]

this is not a standard civilian F-4, it's clearly a militarised model with increased structural strength,

Sssshhhhh. It is a little known fact that during the testing of "stealth" paint they discovered a bullet proof, nuclear blast resistant paint. That's the reason the AF went to a different camouflage scheme. It has three color tints. One is disguised as a desert camouflage pattern (earth tone tints) and the other is the dull gray commonly seen. I understand they had to change the chemical composition after the Pentagon crash as it didn't work so well and resulted in the aircraft being vaporized.

 

[ZENSMACK89]

Ummmm. No. Ummmm. No.
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Ummmmm. No.

Was that better? Way to school me on the facts.

 

[Quad4_72]

Ummmmm. No.

Was that better? Way to school me on the facts.

Well you didn't state any facts so how am I going to school you on anything?

 

[Calcas]

In any case, this is not a standard civilian F-4, it's clearly a militarised model...

Yeah, on the civilian F-4's they served peanuts.

 

[pomeroo]

Show him a video of a water jet cutting stainless steel

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5581402429487767287

It's been tried. He rejects hard evidence as inconvenient to his fantasies.

There is a kOOk on Usenet now trying to argue that the fact that "they" don't make aluminum bullets proves that there was no plane at WTC.

Point out that a lead bullet can pierce steel. As a bit of trivia, when a copper-jacketed lead bullet is fired at quarter inch steel plate, the lead makes a hole and the jacket comes back at you, intact and inside out, more or less. Source: A WWII-vintage American Rifleman article about such tests. Don't ask and I'm not that old.

He might be crazy enough to be Kirkman. If you have stomach for it, wade through the thread he started, the one "proving" that Flight 175 didn't hit the South Tower. I repeatedly raised the question of whether any human could possibly be as ignorant and obtuse as "Kirkman" appeared. Judge for yourself. I still have my doubts.

 

[Corsair 115]

Yeah, on the civilian F-4's they served peanuts.

I guess they threw them from the front seat to the back seat then? Or was it the other way around?

 

[PhantomWolf]

gmanontario:

Oh yes!

What if the aircraft flew into the control room (which is essentially OUTSIDE containment)?

How are Darlington's fast shutdown systems under those conditions?

Western reactors must have an actuve failsafe system, if for any reason that system goes off line, the reactor will automatically shut itself down. Things like gravity controlled damping rods that are actively suspended, if the system shuts down, they just drop into place shutting down the reactor.

 

[Max Photon]

Max Photon on the complex explosions that occurred when the jets hit the WTC towers

Sandia labs carried out full-scale impact tests on a F-4 Phantom jet "flying" into a rigid reinforced concrete target at its 600 m rocket sled facility in New Mexico in the early 1990s.

In the context of 9/11, the most interesting feature of these tests is that the aircraft was not powered by its own engines but by a "pusher" sled housing 36 super Zuni rockets. There was also a second acceleration stage provided by five Nike rockets attached directly to the F-4.

The aircraft only weighed 19 tonnes, including 4.8 tonnes of WATER, which was added to the aircraft fuel tanks to simulate the fuel's mass distribution.

Thus there was no possibility of a fuel-air explosion in these tests, as WAS the case in the aircraft impacts on the Twin Towers.

MAX-MIHOP says a significant portion of the aluminum from the jets was used to create improvised-thermite + water explosions - or phreato-thermatic explosions.


The explosions were complex.


First there was the "explosive" force of kinetic impact.

Improvised-thermite ignited in the presence of water.

The thermite created a steam explosion.

The thermite also created a hydrogen explosion.

These explosive forces helped drive a fuel-air explosion.


I believe all of these "components" can be seen in the fireball photos.


Max

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[332nd]

MAX-MIHOP says a significant portion of the aluminum from the jets was used to create improvised-thermite + water explosions - or phreato-thermatic explosions.


The explosions were complex.


First there was the "explosive" force of kinetic impact.

Improvised-thermite ignited in the presence of water.

The thermite created a steam explosion.

The thermite also created a hydrogen explosion.

These explosive forces helped drive a fuel-air explosion.


I believe all of these "components" can be seen in the fireball photos.


Max

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Oooo Sorry, Max is very wrong on this on many levels and should be ashamed that an actor pointed this out.

 

[LashL]

MAX-MIHOP says ...blah blah blah

 

[buka001]

I can clearly see the use of CGI in that video. There was no plane at all!! Judging from the trajectory of the explosion trails, I have traced it out on paper and I have proven that the explosion is also enhanced by CGI. I can say that they probably used a bunch of grenades tied in a small package and then CGI was used to enhance the explosion. How could it have such a big explosion if it apparently had no fuel. Just water? You see the water would have dowsed the flames immediately and no explosion would have occured. My thesis proves that this is impossible!! Its a fake!! You have been tricked by the CGI!!

 

[Soapy Sam]

That test occurred in 1988, about 13 years before the 9/11 attacks. How could the film be 'disinfo' when it was made so long ago?

By the way, I posted a link to that video some time ago. A CT'ist was here complaining about the lack of airplane parts and I put up a link to some stills from this test. He then complained that the photos were fake, so I found a video link and posted it. After that, he was not so sure it was fake. It's interesting to see the CT'ists have all decided the film is retroactive piece disinformation, created over a decade before it was even needed!

Hah! You poor, benighted innocent,

You really can't get your head round the concept of Truly Paranoid Stupidity.

Leave this thread now, while you still have a functioning mind.

 

[pomeroo]

MAX-MIHOP says a significant portion of the aluminum from the jets was used to create improvised-thermite + water explosions - or phreato-thermatic explosions.


The explosions were complex.


First there was the "explosive" force of kinetic impact.

Improvised-thermite ignited in the presence of water.

The thermite created a steam explosion.

The thermite also created a hydrogen explosion.

These explosive forces helped drive a fuel-air explosion.


I believe all of these "components" can be seen in the fireball photos.


Max

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Great work, Max, but you neglected to mention that no thermite was used at the WTC complex on 9/11/01.

 

[Belz...]

That is the best quality posting of that test that I have seen. It very well shows that the aft parts of the fuselage do not crumple before they make contact with the wall. One of the more obstinate twoofers at The Randi Rhodes Show Messag Board said that the fact that the fuselage remains straight in the Fairbanks and Hezarkhani videos shows that it is fakery.

ROFL!

But, but... that's how it happens it movies!!!!1111

 

[bjb]

The F-4 fuel tanks are in the wings and fuselage, behind the pilot. Water would not have been 'involved' in the 'explosion' shown in the first part of the video because the tanks were still intact!

The video is simply a demonstration of kinetic energy. The fast-moving airplane contains a great deal of kinetic energy. When it hits something-that-is-not-inclined-to-move, the energy needs to go somewhere. The energy goes into the airplane structure, causing it to fly apart. That's all there is to it.