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A Gravy Paper: William Rodriguez, Escape Artist

Wow. Great work, Mark.

Willy's clearly been taken in by the alure of being a 911 twoof hero and is willing to lie continuously in order to have that fame.

Needless to say, this paper puts an end to that. Absolutely damning.

I doubt Willy will be back here to defend himself.
 
now how do we google bomb that paper so that everytime some types "William Rodriguez" or "liar" into Google, this paper pops up.
 
PhantomWolf said:
now how do we google bomb that paper so that everytime some types "William Rodriguez" or "liar" into Google, this paper pops up.
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I think it's easier to bomb phrases rather than words. Wikipedia also has the top spot for "liar", so trying to bomb that word would be futile. :)

I'd suggest dropping in on the Discussion page for the Wikipedia article on Mr. Rodriguez. Someone pointed out that he had changed his story and another person asked for a source.

Im sorry, but i dont get it. could you be more specific? If he truly did change his story, that would be notable (if sourced, no OR), but i fail to see how he changed his story. Could you give specific references? Thanks --Striver 14:25, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
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The actual article is kind of a mess, though, and there actually isn't much discussion going on, but it's worth a shot...

A search for "william rodriguez liar" puts this thread at #6 in the results...

If you're going to link to the paper, I'd suggest making his name the link text: "A paper by Mark Roberts shows how William Rodriguez has been lying about blah blah blah..."

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Interesting comment I spotted in the Discussion on Wikipedia:

I want to submit a notification about a fact error in the first paragraph of the William Rodriguez article. It says that he alleges government involvement and coverup concerning 9/11. As a reporter who interviewed him and asked him specific questions about his beleifs when he came to my community of Eau Claire, Wis., I can say that is only half true. Mr. Rodriguez specifically told me he doesn't necesarily think the government was involved in the attacks. He does think officials are withholding considerable information, and that they may be complicit in the attacks by failing to take warnings or intelligence seriously. But he specifically said he doesn't think there was a specific government conspiracy related to the attack's cause, even if the government is withholding information and the media is failing to expose that. It's easy to assume that he thinks the government is specifically involved, since he is a part of the truth movement, segments of which do beleive that. Many people around him have said such things, and his words could be taken to mean that. But as of Friday, April 20, he said he doesn't think the government was involved in executing or organizing the attacks. It's an important distinction. I can supply my news article chronicling this if need be.

Brian Reisinger —The preceding unsigned comment was added by xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (talk) 21:29, 21 April 2007 (UTC).
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The "Friday, April 20" he refers to would be of this year...

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As for Bush and his lack of desire to look for "clues", I disagree. Bush cannot read every single intelligence report. He has to rely on what he is told. Specialists now claim the system was "blinking red". The August 6 Memo tells a very different story. It presents a very low risk level, nothing new, only historical intentions of terrorists. The gist of the August 6 memo was:

1) Al Qaeda said they wanted to attack us in the USA 3 years ago, and they probably still want to.
2) We've got 50 FBI investigations around the country looking into terrorism.

That says to me there's no imminent threat, everything is fine, don't worry.

Now if the system really was blinking red, the question is why did Bush's security advisors give him a memo saying the complete opposite?

It is not the President's job to find and prevent terrorist attacks. That is the task for those on the front line; the FBI, CIA, customs guards, and so forth.
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They are teaming up :rolleyes:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/8833
Following several successful meetings, William Rodriguez and Daniel Sunjata have decided to work together on a series of 9/11-related video projects. Beyond the partnership of Sunjata and Rodriguez, it is still unknown as to who else is involved behind the scenes.
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We're told that some of the projects will be focused on challening Rodriguez's detractors.

Another very high-profile celebrity, donated 2 HD cameras for the project and filmaker Jonathan Kerr-Smith donated his talent to film the projects. An effort will be launched later this week to raise the remaining funds needed.
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Bolding mine.
 
I noticed that someone on LCF said that something, presumably sooper-sekrit, was happening in August and which would show us all/Gravy in particular.
 
Just saw this vid of Rodriguez. Soon after 9-11 he described the "explosion" he heard "below him" as having occured 1-2 seconds before the impact of the plane.

Now, however, during his "world tour", he describes it as 6-7 seconds. The vid is interesting because it gives you a glimpse of what his dog and pony show is like...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ect2ePlvhUI
 
Calcas said:
Just saw this vid of Rodriguez. Soon after 9-11 he described the "explosion" he heard "below him" as having occured 1-2 seconds before the impact of the plane.

Now, however, during his "world tour", he describes it as 6-7 seconds. The vid is interesting because it gives you a glimpse of what his dog and pony show is like...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ect2ePlvhUI
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Oooooh.... 1-2 seconds, and now 6-7 seconds??? The lying bastard!!!
 
1-2 seconds could be explained by the difference in the speed of propagation of sound through steel vs. air (sounds travel much, much faster through steel than air). 6-7 seconds obviously would exclude this possibility.

The cynic in me says that Rodriguez heard this possible explanation and adjusted his story accordingly. Apparently, reading through Gravy's work, it wouldn't be the first time his story was adjusted.
 
mjd1982 said:
Oooooh.... 1-2 seconds, and now 6-7 seconds??? The lying bastard!!!
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Forget that. I'm more interested in how the sound of "moving furniture" turned into a massive explosion.
 
jhunter1163 said:
1-2 seconds could be explained by the difference in the speed of propagation of sound through steel vs. air (sounds travel much, much faster through steel than air). 6-7 seconds obviously would exclude this possibility.

The cynic in me says that Rodriguez heard this possible explanation and adjusted his story accordingly. Apparently, reading through Gravy's work, it wouldn't be the first time his story was adjusted.
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The actually calculations of the sound through steel and the sound through air have been done a couple (few?) times on this board alone.
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
The actually calculations of the sound through steel and the sound through air have been done a couple (few?) times on this board alone.
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I know. I was just pointing out that this particular change in Rodriguez' story conveniently excludes a perfectly logical explanation for one of his observations. And, not coincidentally (in my opinion), there have been many such changes and embellishments to his story.

Rodriguez' actions on 9/11 were undeniably heroic; his actions since are undeniably shameful.
 
I could care less whether it was 1-2 seconds or 6-7 seconds.

The reason I resurrected the thread is I found it interesting that he has changed his story so much. And, the vid shows his road show.

Gravy's paper gives a great insight as to his possible motives.

The guy was a hero. But, now he just goes around pimping himself.

And that's sad.
 
jhunter1163 said:
I know. I was just pointing out that this particular change in Rodriguez' story conveniently excludes a perfectly logical explanation for one of his observations. And, not coincidentally (in my opinion), there have been many such changes and embellishments to his story.

Rodriguez' actions on 9/11 were undeniably heroic; his actions since are undeniably shameful.
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It is perfectly reasonable to confront Rodriguez about the disparity in his accounts, but I'd rather refrain from speculating as to why there are disparities. That said, I do understand why you have the opinion you do on the matter.
 
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