The Viking Leif Ericson was a Christian Evangelist

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The man's name is Sverre. Sverte is a verb meaning to blacken, and figuratively, to defame.
There was no national assembly in 1020, king Olav had to travel around to the regional assemblies just like anyone else.
The christening of Norway was a matter of brutal men having observed the added control over a people christianity allowed a king and was done by force and blackmail.

Bans against blood sacrifice and "black magic" were merely ways of making the old faith illegal, and the changes in law inspired by christianity didn't actually abolish "setting out" of newborns, it just limited it to disabled infants, and they had to be christened first.
 
Oh, and the Vikings didn't give up raiding. They just upped the scale and went for serious conquering and crusading instead.
 
Isn't there something sort of sad about someone who can only feel good about themselves by finding other people who share some trait or other with them?
 
JoeEllison said:
Isn't there something sort of sad about someone who can only feel good about themselves by finding other people who share some trait or other with them?
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Yes, me, Jefferson, Washington, and the Vikings are just birds of a feather.
 
DOC said:
...Jefferson, Washington, and the Vikings are just birds of a feather.
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Oh god. A wonderful cartoon idea has occurred to me -- no, leaped full-grown into my mind's eye: Geo. Washington and Tom Jefferson in horned helmets, blood-crusted axes in hand, high-fiving as Lindisfarne burns in the background.

"Vay tew go, Tome!"

"Yaw! Gude rampaging dere, Cheorge! Next ve born down London, eh?"

Must

control

Hand of Snarkiness....
 
DOC said:
Yes, me, Jefferson, Washington, and the Vikings are just birds of a feather.
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Nope... they did things. You're just riding their coattails. Sad, really. Instead of spending all this time lying for Jesus(except you're really just doing it for yourself, and jesus be damned), you could be doing something that makes you happy and proud of yourself.
 
DOC said:
Here is what Wiki says concerning the Vikings:

"Viking voyages decreased and ended with the introduction of Christianity to Scandinavia in the late 10th and 11th century.'


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking
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You want to use wikipedia for a source? Here's what I just read in that same article. In the part that actually has some flesh on the bones. My emphasis:

After trade and settlement, cultural impulses flowed from the rest of Europe. Christianity had had an early and growing presence in Scandinavia, and with the rise of centralized authority along with a stiffening of coastal defense in the areas the Vikings preyed upon, the Viking raids became more risky and less profitable. With the rise of kings and great nobles and a quasi-feudal system in Scandinavia, they ceased entirely – in the 11th century the Scandinavians are frequently chronicled as combating the Vikings from the eastern shores of the Baltic Sea, which eventually lead to Danish and Swedish participation in the Baltic crusades (end of 12th and early 13th century) and contributed to the development of the Hanseatic League.
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Correlation does not equal causation.
 
DOC said:
True, being a Christian doesn't mean your a wimp. Evander Holyfield is a Christian and he kicked Mike Tyson's butt twice. And even Christ drove the money lenders out of the Temple.

I would of like to seen the ACLU mess with Leif Ericson and his men.
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Submachine guns (even .357 magnum pistols would do it!) against guys with swords and mediocre armor? I'd like to see that too.
:D :D :rolleyes: :jaw-dropp :jaw-dropp
 
CFLarsen said:
Yes, I know that people get sued for libel.

Did I libel you?

What is considered "unethical"?
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Claus,
He's been using that tactic over in R&P too. WE counter his claims, he gets pissy and he threatens us with libel. It's been explained that what's been going on is not libel, but he doesn't listen. kinda like the refutation of his points.
 
sackett said:
Oh god. A wonderful cartoon idea has occurred to me -- no, leaped full-grown into my mind's eye: Geo. Washington and Tom Jefferson in horned helmets, blood-crusted axes in hand, high-fiving as Lindisfarne burns in the background.

"Vay tew go, Tome!"

"Yaw! Gude rampaging dere, Cheorge! Next ve born down London, eh?"

Must

control

Hand of Snarkiness....
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What makes that image even better is when you realize that Washington and Jefferson disliked each other. Not as much as Jefferson and Hamilton did, but still. Could you imagine a mead-drunk George and Thom, riding the waves axes in hand. Keeping as much an eye out for enemies as each other.
 
kmortis said:
Claus,
He's been using that tactic over in R&P too. WE counter his claims, he gets pissy and he threatens us with libel. It's been explained that what's been going on is not libel, but he doesn't listen. kinda like the refutation of his points.
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this is very true.
All I can say is that I'm gald that I live in the GREAT SECULAR NATION, the United States, whose constitution was designed to protect the people from such small minded, evil ideas.
 
If anyone has missed it, DOK's hero D.J Kennedie or some such, apparently is taking a vacation to have a permanant personal conference with some dod?, pod? Anyway, some fictional character.
 
kmortis said:
Claus,
He's been using that tactic over in R&P too. WE counter his claims, he gets pissy and he threatens us with libel. It's been explained that what's been going on is not libel, but he doesn't listen. kinda like the refutation of his points.
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I'm...just....so scared!
 
DOC said:
Here is what Wiki says concerning the Vikings:

"Viking voyages decreased and ended with the introduction of Christianity to Scandinavia in the late 10th and 11th century."
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Are you suggesting that if Christianity had been introduced earlier, Ericson might not have gone to America?
 
kmortis said:
What makes that image even better is when you realize that Washington and Jefferson disliked each other. Not as much as Jefferson and Hamilton did, but still. Could you imagine a mead-drunk George and Thom, riding the waves axes in hand. Keeping as much an eye out for enemies as each other.
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Reading around in the Sagas,* you get the feeling that, no, they absolutely COULD NOT have associated with each other non-fatally.




* Yeah, I know, the plural is Sogr with a slash across the O, but I can't make this %^&*(+) keyboard do what I want.
 
http://www.dickshovel.com/ind.html


just some info for doc from a native americans perspective
are you man eough to follow this link

a short section of the site
While much is known about proverbial stereotypes among different nationalities and regions, and while numerous studies have been undertaken to study verbal slurs against Jews and African Americans especially in the United States,[3] there is a definite dearth of interest in the proverbial invectives that have been hurled against the Native Americans ever since Christopher Columbus and later explorers, settlers, and immigrants set foot on the American continent. As people look back at these slurs in the year when the world commemorates the quincentenary of Columbus' discovery of America, it is becoming ever more obvious that the native population suffered terribly in the name of expansion and progress. Native Americans were deprived of their homeland, killed mercilessly or placed on reservations, where many continue their marginalized existence to the present day. The early concepts of the "good Indian" or "noble savage" quickly were replaced by reducing the native inhabitants to "wild savages" who were standing in the way of expansionism under the motto of " manifest destiny".[4]
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