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10 story hole in WTC 7

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Galileo said:
Christopher hit the nail on the head here, there is no relationship between debris hitting the south side of WTC 7 at 10:30, and fires hours later in other places.

Why didn't the NORTH TOWER catch fire when the SOUTH TOWER fell?

Have you 9/11 falsers ever thought out your crazy theories before going public with them?

I doubt it.
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The collapse of the North Tower started fires only in WTC 6 which was below it. The top portion of WTC 1 above the crash impact tipped over into the center of WTC 6, making the big center hole in the building and setting WTC 6 on fire.

WTC 7 received some damage to the SW corner of the building when WTC 1 collapsed but it did not start any fires. The missile that hit WTC 7 at 9:03 started the fires in that building.
 
jaydeehess said:
Odd that you would put it that way.

In fact Catelano states that he was in a room with no windows. He and the guys he was with felt the shaking and heard the sound and ran to where they could look outside. There, within minutes of this shaking and sound, they saw the WTC 1 on fire. So IF Jennings and Hess felt the same thing then you are going to have to explain how it was that they were at a recently abandoned OEM BEFORE any plane hit anything.
So, do you think about what you are going to put forth before going public with it?
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So are you now saying Jennings and Hess were in WTC 7 when the first plane hit?
 
Belz... said:
Why would it ? And how do you know that the lower floors of 1 WTC weren't damaged when 2 WTC came down ?
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The Naudets’ film 9/11 shows WTC 1 was not damaged significantly by the collapse of WTC 2. One of the Naudet brothers was in the lobby of WTC 1 with the firefighters when WTC 2 came down. This is all in the film.
 
jaydeehess said:
There are in fact many references out there to the condition of the lobby of WTC 1 after WTC 2 came down, and it was not good. Most people in WTC 1 were in the stairwells when WTC 2 collapsed, very few were in office floors, the power was out as well. there was therefore few people to witness any fire that may have occured as a result of the collapse of WTC 2 and with the power out there was one less fashion by which fires could start. Power was still on in WTC 7 when WTC 2 came down. Main power was off in #7 by the time WTC 1 came down (IIRC) but with the generators in the building there is a decent chance that power was on on some floors at least.

Then there is the dust. That dust would tend to cover anything smoldering on lower floors of any building affected by the collapse of the towers. This would mean that fires would generally be on floors a little higher up and indeed right after the collapses the fires in buildings were mostly several floors up. Vehicles are another story in that they contain one of the most dangerous flammable liquids in common usage, gasoline, which is a definite acellerant.
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"Most people in WTC 1 were in the stairwells when WTC 2 collapsed..." this is not true.

Most people had evacuated WTC 1 when WTC 2 came down. The firefightes had them to evacuate WTC 1 via WTC 3: the Marriot Hotel. Mostly firefighters remained in the stairwells of WTC 1 when WTC 2 fell. Take a look at the Naudet video and you will see that before the collapse of WTC 2 most people had evacuate WTC 1 at the upper concourse lever. The crowds of people were thinner in WTC 1 when WTC 2 came down.
 
MaGZ said:
NDBoston, a forum member here and one who evacuated WTC 7 that day, said he felt debris hit WTC 7 when the second plane hit WTC 2. What NDBoston really felt was the missile hitting WTC 7 a few seconds after the plane hit WTC 2.
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I'm speechless here. You're insane.
 
funk de fino said:
OK so his testimonies are contradictory and as such have to be disregarded. I believe that Loose Change are to use his latest statements? I will wait till then till I make proper judgement on whether he is mistaken.

He does say he was pulled out a hole in the wall by the FR though and that the lobby was trashed, how is this? When was he pulled out? Before the collapse of one of the twins or after? Was the lobby trashed by the twin or the explosion he experienced?

As for the rest of the post, I believe the damage from the twin and the fires brought the building down. I do not know this but it is a logical belief based on what I have seen so far until I can read the official report. Nothing else supports CD IMO.
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In looking at Jennings statement I think we can say he was in a stairwell close to the service elevator–a stairwell that was normally closed to the public. Notice there are no mention of other people in the stairwell. The stairwell and service elevator were likely located on the south side of the building near the loading dock area. When Jennings says he looked out the window and saw both towers standing he was talking about a window in the stairwell. The public access stairwells in WTC are in the center of the building. Also I think his reference to the lobby that looked like it was "destroyed by King Kong" was perhaps an elevator concourse on an upper floor of the building. He was trapped in the stairwell for one and a half hours and was rescued through a hole made by firefighters on the south side of WTC 7.
 
jaydeehess said:
Chris, I listened to the man relate what happened. It is pretty obvious that he stumbled over his own words a bit due to the adrenaline of the day. He started to say that he made it down to the 8th floor then corrected himself and said they made it to the 6th floor but had to go up and onto the 8th floor. In his excitement he got ahead of himself and said 8th first.

"Blew us back to the 8th floor" is very likely exaggeration or hyperbole, again, the man is very excited at this time.

"There was an explosion and the landing gave way. I was left there hanging. I had to climb back up, and now I had to walk back up to the 8th floor."
This indicates that they were not literally blown back as does the fact that his clothing is in pretty good shape, as is he. The fact that he is in good shape also indicates that what he describes as an "explosion" was not in fact what one would characterize as something powerful enough to destroy a fire exit stairway.

Given his level of excitement and the obvious other exaggeration/hyperbole he uses in this clip one simply has to question his words that suggest that the stairwell was physically damaged due to an explosion.
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If Jennings had to "hang on" to survive from falling in the stairwell, then we can say the stairwell was physically damaged due to the missile explosion.
 
MaGZ said:
On your third or fourth post to this forum you said you felt WTC 7 hit by debris from the crash of Fight 175 into WTC 2 at 9:03.

Care to elaborate?
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You then took those comments and turned that into a missle hitting the building.

I've discussed in great detail on my experiences. You want this conspiracy to be true and you will spin any story to make it true.

I felt debris hit the building. Not a missle, you moron. There were thousands of people who have the same experiences as I do too.

There wasn't a missle. There wasn't black ops wiring my building for years before. There wasn't union workers wiring the building when it was constructed.

There's only you and a small amount of people who have mental issues who should get professional help.
 
NDBoston said:
You then took those comments and turned that into a missle hitting the building.

I've discussed in great detail on my experiences. You want this conspiracy to be true and you will spin any story to make it true.

I felt debris hit the building. Not a missle, you moron. There were thousands of people who have the same experiences as I do too.

There wasn't a missle. There wasn't black ops wiring my building for years before. There wasn't union workers wiring the building when it was constructed.

There's only you and a small amount of people who have mental issues who should get professional help.
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I’ll ignore the personal attacks since I have you now on this forum. You can start by answering some of the questions you have been avoiding. It would be good if you would keep the conversation civil.

First, how can you say you felt debris from the crash of Flight 175 onto WTC 7? The remains of Flight 175 went in a northeast direction when it exited WTC 2 not in a northerly direction where WTC 7 was located.

I will let you work on this question first. I will have more to follow.
 
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MaGZ said:
I’ll ignore the personal attacks since I have you now on this forum. You can start by answering some of the questions you have been avoiding. It would be good if you would keep the conversation civil.

First, how can you say you felt debris from the crash of Flight 175 onto WTC 7? The remains of Flight 175 went in a northeast direction when it exited WTC 2 not in a northerly direction where WTC 7 was located?

I will let you work on this question first. I will have more to follow.
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There won't be more questions to follow. You took my words and turned them into a missle hitting WTC7.

It's clear you don't believe what I experienced and I believe you're mentally ill.

Have a nice day.
 
NDBoston said:
There won't be more questions to follow. You took my words and turned them into a missle hitting WTC7.

It's clear you don't believe what I experienced and I believe you're mentally ill.

Have a nice day.
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I do believe you felt something hit WTC 7 at 9:03 when the second plane crashed into WTC2. The impact was so startling to you that your preceded to exit the building. However, what you felt was not debris hitting WTC 7 but the missile explosion.

A few more questions you will eventually have to answer:

Where were you at 9:03?

What floor were you on and how far away were you from the south side of WTC 7?
 
NDBoston,

If you look back on it all, I think you will say the impact of the second plane into WTC 2 seemed more forceful to you than the impact of the first plane into WTC 1. Of course what you experienced at the time of the second plane crash was the missile explosion that hit WTC 7.
 
Christopher7 said:
No, on 911 both Barry and Michael said they "made it to - walked down to, the 8th floor and there was an explosion".
These statements should be considered valid.

Because of the conflict of statements, everything he said in the 2007 statements should not considered valid without confirmation from another source. IMO
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You cannot cherrypick your witness, in court this would be thrown out, they would play both then listen to him and he would be torn to shreds by lawyers

You have nothing or everything with Barry, you cannot selectively use testimony as long as it only supports your theory

get real

as for the rest I will wait for the report, i suggest you do to
 
MaGZ said:
I have never made any claims the missile contributed to the collapse of WTC 7. It started the fires in the building. A recent History Cannel documentary on 9/11 has an individual stating the fires started in WTC 7 around 9:30 that morning. This was before the collapse of the Twin Towers.

Yes, it was an air to air missile.
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What type of missile Magz? SRAAM or MRAAM or AMRAAM or hellfire or any other type?

I have asked you before, you must know?

Also the videos of missiles you posted were very far from being missiles
 
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