The JREF is not an atheist organization

Any evidence that the JREF is officially a 'skeptical organization'?
 
The Atheist said:
Glad you admit it at last.
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  • What "type" of psychic are you talking about?

  • Why would you give me phone numbers to the psychics you mentioned?

  • Does Darat claim evidence of ghosts?

  • Specifically, which paranormal/supernatural beliefs do you consider testable?
 
CFLarsen said:
  • What "type" of psychic are you talking about?

  • Why would you give me phone numbers to the psychics you mentioned?

  • Does Darat claim evidence of ghosts?

  • Specifically, which paranormal/supernatural beliefs do you consider testable?
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No, I'm sorry, I have no need of three or four pages of being on the carousel with you, I've already shown that your position is absurd.

If you figure out how a claim of a happening 2000 years ago is testable - in reality - feel free to get back to me. In the meantime, I see no point in bothering with any of the lesser bits.
 
The Atheist said:
Fortunately, due to the tireless efforts of The Grammar Stalin, there is a word which excludes all of those beliefs:

Sceptic.
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Unfortunately, for the self-styled Grammar Stalins, the rest of the (real) world will need to be informed via a forum frequented by more than just a select few


Dictionary.com

A word gets into the dictionary by being used. That's the only way.

Lexicographers - the people who make dictionaries - don't make words; they find them and record them.

They are like the entomologist who goes into the rain forest looking for new species of beetles.

Similarly, you can't invent a word and petition to have it admitted into the dictionary.

You can invent a word and use it, of course, and if your word catches on it might end up in the dictionary some day.

However, this is extremely unlikely.
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CFLarsen said:
  • What "type" of psychic are you talking about?

  • Why would you give me phone numbers to the psychics you mentioned?

  • Does Darat claim evidence of ghosts?

  • Specifically, which paranormal/supernatural beliefs do you consider testable?
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Can we get this thread back to the OP which is the public face of organized skepticism re: atheism and how it might effect recruitment/educational efforts.
 
Corpse Cruncher said:
I have a hard time understanding how a skeptic can be religious. It seems to me, that the belief in god and the belief in skepticism are opposed to each other? I would have thought being Atheist was a more natural partner to skepticism.
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Try practicing skepticism rather then belief in skepticism, and you'll have both a better parallel statement, and a better idea of why a skeptic can also choose to adhere to a religion.

I'll offer that being an agnostic is a natural partner to skepticism, as one understands that there is so much one simply doesn't know, and either does, or doesn't, find out.

DR
 
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CFLarsen said:
Because, if you are religious, religion forms your most basic understanding of how the world works. It permeates every aspect of your life.
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I at first thought this a Clausian Distribution of Straw, but maybe assertion is closer to your holding that all religious people put sugar on their porridge, wear kilts, and sing "Scotland The Brave" when the pipes play it.

Your statement as made is false, and fallacious, and can only be considered remotely valid as your perception of how religious people function. If that is how you perceive them, then I have to ask: broad brush much, Claus?

I'll also offer that when people discuss "strong atheism" and "weak atheism," we can as well discuss "strong Christians" and "Strong Muslims" and "Strong Mormons" as well as those who are far more loose, and more casual, in their practices and beliefs. There is nothing monolithic, nor homogenous, about religious people, be they monotheist, polytheist, or pastatheist. :)

DR
 
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Darth Rotor said:
Strawman. And by the way, that is false as a utile statement, and can only be considered remotely valid as your perception of how religion works.

Broad brush much, Claus?

DR
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How does religion not form your most basic understanding of how the world works?
 
six7s said:
Even the atheists are praying for an answer on that one ;)
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Atheists are, pretty much by definition, not on speaking terms with anyone who answers prayers.

Me, I don´t pray. I just silently wonder.
 
CFLarsen said:
How does religion not form your most basic understanding of how the world works?
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Because I was raised agnostic, Claus. Can you list the imbedded assumptions in your question?

The other matter is that some people treat their religion as a philosophy, and as a moral guideline, and do not feel bound by your narrow redefinition of their, or any, religion in any way, shape, or form.

Hello, Claus, not everyone accepts the world as viewed through your eyes.

Deal with it.

Oh, and while I am at it, I'll return your stupid question with a stupid question: how does you being Danish not make you an axe murderer? Let's follow the silly bouncing ball, shall we?

Some Danes were Vikings, and some Vikings used axes, and some killed people in Viking raids, therefore, you being a Dane means you kill people with axes, and are thus an axe murderer by virture of being Danish.

That's equivalent to your silly notion of autoassociation.

Heck, let's go for another.

Apples have skin, I have skin, therefore I am an apple.

Heck, let's go one further.

I breath air, you breath air, therefore you are me and I am the Walrus, and you are Paul. (Reference lyrics to Glass Onion, The Beatles)

DR
 
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CFLarsen said:
Not you you. You as in religious people.
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I'll not arrogate to myself the role of spokesman for religious people, for the simple reason that I can't, and that is part of the problem with your overly broad generalization.

You choose to render the differences moot in order to prop up your No True Scotsman position on how "religious people" do or do not approach the world.

I have had my fun, I hope you have a lovely weekend.

Cheers.

DR
 
Darth Rotor said:
I'll not arrogate to myself the role of spokesman for religious people, for the simple reason that I can't, and that is part of the problem with your overly broad generalization.
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Nobody is asking you to be a spokesman for religious people.

Darth Rotor said:
You choose to render the differences moot in order to prop up your No True Scotsman position on how "religious people" do or do not approach the world.
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Not at all. It should have been clear to all that obviously I was talking about religious people.

But, I see you have nothing to say on that issue.
 
CFLarsen said:
But, I see you have nothing further to say on that issue.
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There, fixed it for ya.
Claus said:
Nobody is asking you to be a spokesman for religious people.
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Oh?
Claus said:
How does religion not form your most basic understanding of how the world works?
Darth said:
Because I was raised agnostic, Claus.
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Not you you. You as in religious people.
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Ya could have fooled me.

DR
 
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