Time to kick Iran

Ion said:
Include Bush in the list.
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I do not like Bush, but I do not consider him at the same level of Stalin, not even close, for example.
Anyway, if it pleases you, let` s ask again:
...Just asking, where your positions are different from those of Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Bush or Julius Caesar?
 
Matteo Martini said:
...Just asking, where your positions are different from those of Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Bush or Julius Caesar?
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Where I am different than Hitler, Bush, Stalin, Pol Pot or Julius Caesar is shown in the previous post I wrote, the one with my quote from another thread.


Here, I post it again:
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It's a more profound experience with U.S. than your experience with U.S..

The gist of it is that U.S. is full of Bush lites, who don't have the social power of Bush but are like Bush nonetheless.

While it is reasonable to refer to someone to a post you made on this very page, reposting it in length three times on one page can be considered flooding the forum and a violation of the MA. Please do not continue to repost this.
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Ion said:
Where I am different than Hitler, Bush, Stalin, Pol Pot or Julius Caesar is shown in the previous post I wrote, the one with my quote from another thread.
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Wait.
You said " that Americans should be " banned from the earth "? "
Now, how is this position different from those of Hitler, Bush, Stalin, Pol Pot or Julius Caesar?
Disclaimer
I have never heard Bush saying that anyone should be " banned from Earth "
 
Matteo Martini said:
Wait.
You said " that Americans should be " banned from the earth "? "
Now, how is this position different from those of Hitler, Bush, Stalin, Pol Pot or Julius Caesar?
Disclaimer
I have never heard Bush saying that anyone should be " banned from Earth "
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You are asking how is putting people in jail (away from the society that they
harm) different than what Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot or Julius Caesar did.

It's stupid.

Society always puts people in jail away from the society that they harm (locked and banned from earth) in order to protect itself.

So that's what Bush and many millions of Americans need:

to be locked and banned from the earth, because they endanger the earth.

Quod Erat Demonstratum
 
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Matteo Martini said:
Why do you have to troll, instead of building a rational argument?
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Why don't you match my quote about how U.S. is made of Bush-lites, instead of trolling
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The quote about Bush-lites in U.S. is here, again:
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Match its knowledge if you can.

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In the future, refrain from name-calling and incivility.
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Ion said:
You are asking how is putting people in jail (away from the society that they harm) different than what Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot or Julius Caesar did.
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In many many societies, especially when under terrorism menace, people are put in jail, sometimes, for insufficient reasons.
 
Ok Matteo.

Nevermind any of my recent posts to you. I retract them. I'll still debate you but I cannot be pissed off at you. Your willingness to try and debate with Ion in a cool and rational manner earns you high marks in my book.

I'm sorry that won't improve your image with Ion though.
 
RandFan said:
Ok Matteo.

Nevermind any of my recent posts to you. I retract them. I'll still debate you but I cannot be pissed off at you. Your willingness to try and debate with Ion in a cool and rational manner earns you high marks in my book.

I'm sorry that won't improve your image with Ion though.
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I do not get it.
Really.
I do not get it.
Serious..
Now, please, read carefully, why do you retract my recent posts to me?
Just because I am replying to another member?
What has this to do with our conversation?
I mean, am I the only one interested in a conversation with all the people around playing games of " I am on this side you are on another side "?
Now, that I have replied to Ion, did I become a " good one "?
Do you realize how childish all this is?
BTW, can I ask you how old are you?
I am 35
 
Matteo Martini said:
I do not get it.
Really.
I do not get it.
Serious..
Now, please, read carefully, why do you retract my recent posts to me?
Just because I am replying to another member?
What has this to do with our conversation?
I mean, am I the only one interested in a conversation with all the people around playing games of " I am on this side you are on another side "?
Now, that I have replied to Ion, did I become a " good one "?
Do you realize how childish all this is?
BTW, can I ask you how old are you?
I am 35
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I'm 46. I don't think it childish at all. No, there are no "good one". I don't subscribe to any such philosophy.

I think you often myopic and obsesive about America. I think politics is largely nonsense and it blows me away that otherwise skeptical people stop being skeptical once they start talking politics.

I try, in my way, to get people to see the silly nature of their world view. The us vs them mentality.

Your willingness to engage Ion demonstrated to me that you are capable of seeing beyond the us vs them mentality.

Sorry if that offended you.
 
RandFan said:
...Your willingness to try and debate with Ion in a cool and rational manner earns you high marks in my book.
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You play holier-than-thou, you the warmonger of 2003.

The families of thousands of dead Iraqis owe the death of their loved ones to you.

And because this is about Iran, the same deadly gag starts again, in Iran now.
 
RandFan said:
I'm 46. I don't think it childish at all. No, there are no "good one". I don't subscribe to any such philosophy.

I think you often myopic and obsesive about America. I think politics is largely nonsense and it blows me away that otherwise skeptical people stop being skeptical once they start talking politics.

I try, in my way, to get people to see the silly nature of their world view. The us vs them mentality.
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No, no, no, no, no
Wait.
The fact that I sometimes engage in discussion regarding the morality of the behaviour of the US does not mean at all the I condone, or I think that other countries behave better than the US
I thought I hade made it very clear in the past
Anyway, if you had that suspect, why not just ask me?

RandFan said:
Your willingness to engage Ion demonstrated to me that you are capable of seeing beyond the us vs them mentality.

Sorry if that offended you.
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What disturbs me, is that, if I did not take on Ion on that particular matter, you maybe would have thought that I share many of his views, which I do not
Why do I have to take on other posters to show that my position is not like theirs?
 
I see that Matteo didn't raise to my quote about millions of Bush-lites in U.S. and debate its insight.

I will dissect my quote anyway.

The quote points to shortcomings in U.S. in six different areas:
decency, sports, education, integrity in life, rational critical scientific thinking, harmless hedonism.

I will emphasize two areas out of the six.

1.) In response to the paragraph starting with "...At work it took me great skills to qualify to come to the U.S...", The San Diego Union Tribune of Monday August 20 2007 writes in page A8:

"...Immigrants who are eligible for high-skilled-employment visas include doctors, nurses and people with advanced degrees and technological skills. Before they can apply, they must obtain certification that no American workers are available for their jobs."

Imagine how retarded the Americans demonstrate themselves to be in contrast to this higher standard brought by immigrants.
In the book A Coach's Life by Dean Smith -who coached North Carolina in basketball in N.C.A.A. for many years- it is listed the degrees of all the players that Smith coached in college.
They are in Divinity (yes, in U.S. universities like North Carolina and Yale give degrees in superstitions), political science (yes, in U.S., people believe that politics is science, like mathematics are), lawyers (yes, in U.S., being a parasite is taught at university), doctors (yes, in U.S., learning by rote in medical school ranks high), but not one single Engineer -whose trademark is analytical thinking- over more than a decade.
So U.S. needs to import Engineers from Socialist countries, because poor U.S. cannot make Engineers in U.S..

2.) In response to the paragraph starting with "...When Bush lied to start the war in Iraq...", as a sample of U.S.'s mentality of might brawn makes right, U.S. -made of Bush lites from Democrats and Republicans altogether- involved its army in El Salvador in 1981, Lybia in 1981, Sinai in 1982, Lebanon in 1982, Egypt in 1983, Honduras in 1983, Chad in 1983, Grenada in 1983, Persian Gulf in 1984, Honduras in 1986, Lybia in 1986, Bolivia in 1986, Persian Gulf in 1987, Panama in 1988, Lybia in 1989, Panama in 1989, Philippines in 1989, Panama in 1989, Liberia in 1990, Persian Gulf in 1991, Zaire in 1991, Sierra Leone in 1992, Yugoslavia in 1992, Somalia in 1992, Iraq in 1993, Afghanistan in 2001, Iraq in 2003, and now in 2007 is warmongering on Iran.

This brawny military interventionism doesn't happen to many civilized countries -for example to Sweden-.
Because U.S. cannot live in harmony in the world.

It must be that the entire world 'misbehaves'.
And U.S. is the 'only' democracy in the world.

I submit that U.S. is a gangrene to the world, like U.S.S.R. was.
 
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Ion said:
I see that Matteo didn't raise to my quote about millions of Bush-lites in U.S. and debate its insight.

I will dissect my quote anyway.

The quote points to shortcomings in U.S. in six different areas:
decency, sports, education, integrity in life, rational critical scientific thinking, harmless hedonism.

I will emphasize two areas out of the six.

1.) In response to the paragraph starting with "...At work it took me great skills to qualify to come to the U.S...", The San Diego Union Tribune of Monday August 20 2007 writes in page A8:

"...Immigrants who are eligible for high-skilled-employment visas include doctrors, nurses and people with advanced degrees and technological skills. Before they can apply, they must obtain certification that no American workers are available for their jobs."
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Now, is that the main problem with the US?
Their immigration policy?


Imagine how retarded the Americans demonstrate themselves to be in contrast to this higher standard of immigrants.
In the book A Coach Life by Dean Smith -who coached North Carolina in basketball in N.C.A.A. for many years- it is listed the degrees of all the players that Smith coached in college.
They are in Divinity (yes, in U.S. universities like North Carolina and Yale give degrees in superstitions), political science (yes, in U.S., people think that politics is science like mathematics are), [/QUOTE]

I do not think that Politics is science ( just tacked the argument ), but we have " Scienze Politiche " also in Italy..

Ion said:
lawyers (yes, in U.S., to be a parasite is taught at university), doctors (yes, in U.S., learning by rote in medical school ranks high), but not one single Engineer over more than a decade.
So U.S. needs to import Engineers from Socialist countries, because it cannot make them in U.S..
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I will not comment this

Ion said:
2.) In response to the paragraph starting with "...When Bush lied to start the war in Iraq...", as a sample of U.S. might brawn makes right, U.S. -Bush lites from Democrats and Republicans- involved its army in El Salvador in 1981, Libia in 1981, Sinai in 1982, Lebanon in 1982, Egypt in 1983, Honduras in 1983, Chad in 1983, Grenada in 1983, Persian Gulf in 1984, Honduras in 1986, Lybia in 1986, Bolivia in 1986, Perisan Gulf in 1987, Panama in 1988, Lybia in 1989, Panama in 1989, Philippines in 1989, Panama in 1989, Liberia in 1990, Persian Gulf in 1991, Zaire in 1991, Sierra Leone in 1992, Yugoslavia in 1992, Somalia in 1992, Iraq in 1993, Afghanistan in 2001, Iraq in 2003, and talk war on Iran in 2007.

This brawny military interventionism doesn't happen to Sweden.
U.S. cannot live in harmony in the world.

It must be that the entire world 'misbehaves'.

And U.S. is the 'only' democracy in the world.

I submit that U.S. is a gangrene to the world, like U.S.S.R. was.
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Well, I have to say that I have to thank you as, if I did not reply to you, yesterday, I would not have RandFan replying to me any more..
 
Matteo Martini said:
Now, is that the main problem with the US?
Their immigration policy?
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Not at all.

I spell in my previous post what the problem is:

standards.

Low standards amongst native Americans.

High standards amongs immigrants.
The high standards of these immigrants point to where these high standards are made.
In Socialist Europe.
 
" the waves of this explosion will not be restricted to this region .. "
" the rage of the Muslim people is accumulating .. "
and some other nice words..
 
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