...any person with an IQ of 5 or less would know that frightening an innocent child with a hell that doesn't exist or a satan that is not there if they don't do as you say is abuse, dishonesty, cruely, etc...
Ok, this is the basis of my problem.
I have long and consistently agreed with your statement above and my concern in this and other threads has been that only a small percentage of christians act that way. I am quite happy to burn down the churches of [metaphorically speaking] of religious sects who do that, or who deny medical treatment to kids for religious reasons. What you fail to recognise is that I am violently opposed to christians of that persuasion and actually do something about it rather than blather in a chat room.
What I refuse to do is tar all christians with that brush, because it doesn't apply to the vast majority.
...I guess that money needs to keep on flowing into those churches because their owners are not capapable of getting off their fat greedy buns, going out and getting real jobs. So whatever it takes to keep people asleep and stoned since this is the ony way their wallets can be emptied...
See, again we agree - religious people are deluded to keep the money flowing to the church. That is a theme I've shouted out loud for over thirty years. I gave a list earlier on containing a number of adjectives I'm happy to see used, even as generalisations, about religion. "Bad" and "evil" weren't among them, even though that would apply to some sects.
And why despite the fact that 95 % of the worldwide population believes in god, ...and religion, the world is yet still so crewed up with famine, wars, crimes, teen pregnancy, drug and alcohol use and the destruction it generates, rapes, evil, child prostitution, child exploitation speaking about what is good for kids, etc.??????why? this is my One "Study" to you. How do you explain it? ...what are you going to do about this "study"?
It's
actually more like 75% if you add together the non-religious and Buddhists etc. who don't believe in god.
If you are able to show me how religion causes those things you mention, I will be the first to go and beat the crap out of the pope, but unfortunately, those are all human problems and I see no evidence at all that religion causes rape, child prostitution & exploitation, war, crime or drug abuse or famine.
... but from the few posts I read of you so far, you seem to be very amicable person.
Hmm, I hope that was tongue in cheek! My reputation, rightly deserved, is for being extremely rude and aggressive rather than amicable.
That said, I really only reserve the vitriol for idiots.
True, though, as old as I am I've not only explored religion but I lived it. So I know.
In that case, I'm quite surprised that you'd blame religion for all of mankind's woes. It's certainly responsible for some of them, but I find them strangely absent from the list of problems you present.
Thank you. I wasn't sure, english is not the language I was born into. ...but then why call it "world"? I meant it as a word only.
That's one of those rules where it is necessary to make a typo when pointing out an error!
Are you asking her to agree with you even though what you say does not make sense to her?
No. I really don't care what Arti thinks. I've had similar discussions with her in the past where she immediately classes everyone who disagrees with her as "creationists" or "apologists" and she's still at it. I just like to counterpoint her ignorance.
What is so close-minded about asserting that religion is false and that bringing a frightful being such as satan along with hell into child's world is abuse? if it isn't, go ahead and demonstrate it please.
Again, you will find exactly zero of my posts disagreeing with any of that. Religion is false and teaching kids that they'll go to hell is child abuse. That has been my position for over thirty years.
I will note again:
It does not apply to all, or even a majority of christians.
How is terrorising a child as religion usually does going to help them develop their mental and personal faculties? They are too small to know what 'right' and 'wrong' is, let alone be exposed to such barbaric terrors. If religion is as good as it claims, it should see it, yet, it does not. how do you explain this?
See above. I have no explaining to do. You will need to explain why you're using this particular strawman of religion to show that all religion is bad, however.
hey, hey, ...calm down mate. That post was not specifically addressed to you.
You can take it for granted, that no matter how abusive I am, I am always perfectly calm. My days of getting uptight about the written word ended long ago.
Speaking about ignorance you've made some comments about art that are very unreasonable being the "knower" that you are.
Please point them out.
Speaking about reading one's posts, I am sure you read many of her posts and if you understood them, you'd know she is nothing like the derogatory comments you associated to her in your last note.
Sorry, but when I see the same presumably intelligent person posting like a fourth-grade moron, I find it difficult to take anything else that person says seriously. I will note that neither Arti nor Qayak, nor anyone else, has posted any evidence to show that religion is "bad", beyond their own stereotypified strawmen of "religion". Feel free to have a go yourself.
The way you express yourself (I don't even have to read your posts) paints you as anything but ignorant, so that leaves us with the option that you wrote what you wrote out of maliciousness. And maliciousness could stem from untruthfulness or mild temporary dishonesty.
It certainly could, but in this case it stems from complete and utter distaste. When I offer olive branches to people only to have them then go and make ridiculous and totally incorrect aspersions about people I have respect for, I always go for the "malicious as possible" approach. I don't even care what Arti thinks about me, I know what I think about her and I'd be enormously surprised if my picture is not a lot more accurate than hers. Arti makes a living [sort of] out of science. I make mine out of words.
That leads me to ask what made you decide to become an atheist? this is not a smart ass question. Maybe in the process of you explaining why you are an atheist on one hand, and why on the other you believe religion is not harmful to children will help some of us get to a breakthough of a sort.
The reason I became an atheist is because there aren't any gods. I was never religious at any stage of life - I class myself as an atheist from age 8, which is the earliest memory I have of thinking the whole business was a complete load of crap. I spent time studying various religions during my teens and twenties to ensure that I wasn't missing any parts of the puzzle. I didn't.
Again [and I'm getting fairly sick of stating it] the breakthrough will come when someone posts some meaningful data to show:
that all religion is harmful to children.
thank you so much, I didn't mean to get credit for anything, I just needed to point something out that I thought needed to be 
And I don't think I called you a Christian, did I? I called you a religious apologist... or maybe a Christian apologist. Heck, even the Christians can't agree on who is or isn't a Christian. I just think it's creepy and sad and weird that people continue this indoctrination because they think it's necessary for morality or to save their kids from hell or because it will lead to salvation. There's no good reason to think that any of this is true. And I think it's part of the indoctrination that people defend the practice without being aware they are doing it... they've learned not to ever say the emperor is naked and to shush those who say as much.-- like you.