[Merged]architects and engineers for 9/11 truth = SCAM!

uk_dave said:
I guess there was a time, a few years back, when legitimate questions could have been asked about 911
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I think legitimate questions could be asked about 9/11 but they won't be as long as the *truth* movement is focused on nonsense like bombs at the WTC and no flight 77. Which is rather a shame.
 
MarkyX said:
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Ever since I released the Screw Loose Change video, I have received nothing but threats, insults, and harassment from your ilk. I've had a few individuals who try to find out where I live or where I work so they stalk me.

When your group of nutcases suggest that I should have been part of the 9/11 victim list or remove one of my limbs, the gloves are off.

And I sure as hell not going to be friendly with a dumbass like Richie boy who uses a documentary has has been debunked, used holocaust denial as a source, and has manipulated audio/footage as his information.

In short,
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. If you have scientific evidence, submit it to a peer-review scientific journal. Otherwise any type of article or YouTube video that you link to is invalid. True skeptics like myself are yawning at the benches, waiting for the truth movement to get the game going.
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My heart bleeds. I have done two things as a result of this post. Reported the attack and put you on ignore.
 
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Rev91:
Just out of curiosity, how many of the questions from ~6 years ago are still valid? And if you don't mind which ones.

This may need a new thread.
 
Revolutionary91 said:
Perhaps pseudoskepticism is the art of self delusion...


Red is prisonplanet, Blue is JREF forums.
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And at which site will you find accurate information?

So you do support the guy who says the firefighters were in on it. That's lousy. Please think about it.
 
Revolutionary91 said:
Perhaps pseudoskepticism is the art of self delusion...


Red is prisonplanet, Blue is JREF forums.
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You have to remember that Prison Planet covers a wide range of topics, from "homosexuals are invading our schools" to 9/11

Of course I am not surprised PP has a bigger audience. While JREF is mainly skeptics, the PP audiences consists of creationists, religious nutjobs, militia members, holocaust deniers, JFK conspiracy nuts, bigots, wife beaters, high school dropouts, stalkers, con artists, homeopathic users, far left-wingers, far right-wingers, cop haters, pseudo skeptics, anti-semites, racists, and neo-nazis.

Be proud.
 
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Revolutionary91 said:
Perhaps pseudoskepticism is the art of self delusion...


Red is prisonplanet, Blue is JREF forums.
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how does traffic to one;s website prove anything?


Jref - the users dont send out spammers and blog spammers, forum spammers, myspace spammers, msnbc poll spammers, cnn poll spammers, fox poll spammers, facebook spammers, yahoo! answers spammers, google questions spammers and all sorts of nefarious net activity to MULTI Post urls to prisonplanet.com/infowars/loose change/ae911/pilots for truth/rense/and all the kook 9-11 sites within these areas of the net so that they can pad their visits. These kook sites have been known to have users do just that, just so that when people google anything about 9/11 (or any other kook conspiracy theory), the top results are from these websites.

Wonder why a site that needs to do all these looked down upon net activity have to go to GREAT lengths to make sure their sites GET visited in the first place.


Funny how you can find the "spammed" content of PP/IW/loosechange/rense/etc articles on social networking sites, forums, blogs; copy and pasted all over the net.


Wonder why a site needs its users/visitors to that for them just to pad their visits?


JREF doesn't do this. First and foremost. JREF is for James Randi and his activities. so the traffic to JREF would be those who are interested in who he is, or know of him; the forums are an addition for interactivity for the visitors to his site. The CT forum are just one SECTION of this website.

You need to learn why sites get the visits that they do, their target audience and why this influences on who visits and who doesn't.
 
BillyRayValentine said:
It's not just that they're not registered. It's that not a single person with the last name of Voschine or Blacklebee exists. No such person has a social security number, has ever owned real property, etc., etc., etc. They are both completely fictitious surnames.

Not surprising, but worth knowing. I believe that leaves one remaining structural engineer on their roster, one Dennis J. Kollar. Absolutely no information is available on him either, save for the fact that he is registered as an engineer in WI. What kind of engineer is anybody's guess.

The only certainty is that, were he truly a legitimate structural engineer, the loons would be trumpeting his credentials far and wide.
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Wow. Sorry for misunderstanding your point.

How long have they been *'d on the "membership" list at AE9/11Truth? It doesn't sound like it took you long to do this search, yet those in charge of vetting applicants (Doug Plumb and possibly others) can't seem to do the same. Strangely, their inability to do so is in their favor (it bulks up their "membership" list). Not that a truther would do such a thing on purpose...
 
Revolutionary91 said:
No its not. He said the JREF does a fantastic job of showing people that the conspiracy videos arent true. Im making the point that there aint many people being shown anything by JREFR.
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The reality of it is there is not that many people to show anything to. In real life (outside of the internet) the truth movement in nothing.
 
Revolutionary91 said:
How many of those truther videos are also available free online? How many do you think they actually sell? When Jones decides to make a new film is he meant to produce the budget for it from thin air?
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I am sure all of their films, in low rez, are available on line. I am sure Alex is doing quite well off his DVD sales, as for the others, well they are hoping to start somewhere, just like Dingle and Binkie did with Loose Trash. You think getting LC:FC as a "Pay Per View" deal is not "for Profit", and a very healthy one. You are kidding only yourself and the other twoofers (what few of them) that are not making videos or books, if you think the 9/11 truth movement is not a business opportunity.

As for Budget, i haven't seen anything in any of the videos, that would cost much, in terms of ORIGINAL material.

TAM:)
 
MarkyX said:
You have to remember that Prison Planet covers a wide range of topics, from "homosexuals are invading our schools" to 9/11

Of course I am not surprised PP has a bigger audience. While JREF is mainly skeptics, the PP audiences consists of creationists, religious nutjobs, militia members, holocaust deniers, JFK conspiracy nuts, bigots, wife beaters, high school dropouts, stalkers, con artists, homeopathic users, far left-wingers, far right-wingers, cop haters, pseudo skeptics, anti-semites, racists, and neo-nazis.

Be proud.
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PP's audience also includes 13-17 year old social misfits who have not yet dropped out of high school but who hanker to fit in somewhere, anywhere, even if they can do so only on the internet and not in real life - mustn't forget that important demographic. ;)
 
Revolutionary91 said:
No its not. He said the JREF does a fantastic job of showing people that the conspiracy videos arent true. Im making the point that there aint many people being shown anything by JREFR.
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Your point fails. You are showing a comparison of arbitrary percentages between two sites. As Samuel Clemens said, iirc, "Lies, damned lies, and statistics."
 
Revolutionary91 said:
Perhaps pseudoskepticism is the art of self delusion...


Red is prisonplanet, Blue is JREF forums.
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You are right.

Prisonplanet is the moron's Paris Hilton, while lowly old JREF is the rationalists MacNeil Lehrer News Hour.

Guess what. I'll take the latter anyday.

TAM:)
 
Revolutionary91 said:
Your opinion LashL. Can you back it up?
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Sure. Take yourself, and the rest of the LCF "youth for twoof" crowd as an example. Alex Jones, whether he is a genuine loon or whether he is merely pandering to his audience, knows his target audience pretty well.
 
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