Over Unity is No Longer Disputable

g4macdad said:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/04/steorns-orbo-free-energy-machine-demonstrated-tomorrow/

You had your chance.

There will be a thread full of crow for you all to eat you know, with quotes and nose rubbing and all. :cool:
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I hope it is not too late to get my doubts on record so that they may be quoted later.

I believe the claims have no scientific or practical value at all. I consider the entire effort to be nothing more than a scam to bilk gullible people out of their money by selling investment shares. signed: Ladewig.

As better men than I have frequently said: yes, they laughed at Galileo and Einstein, but the also laughed at Bozo the clown.

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ETA: the updates on the website you just cited do not bode well for your claims
 
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I did some digging around from g4macdad's link, and found this "explanation" of how it works:
http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/news.nv?storyid=single8713
It's pretty damned laughable:
“The law of conservation of energy has been very reliable for 300 years, however it’s missing one variable from the equation, and that’s time,” said McCarthy.
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Uh, no. Time is rather explicitly PART of conservation of energy. It is precisely the time invariance of the laws of physics which leads to conservation of energy (just as translational invariance leads to conservation of momentum, etc).
McCarthy explained to Silicon Republic that Orbo technology works on the basis that occurrences in magnetic fields do not happen instantaneously, and are therefore not subject to time in the way that, say, gravity is.
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He's correct that changes in a magnetic field get propagated at the speed of light, not at infinite speed. But he's wrong that gravity acts any differently. And this delay in signal propagation has been well-known since the advent of electrodynamics, and it doesn't actually change anything about any conservation laws, once you properly account for the fact that fields themselves can carry energy and momentum.
 
It seems there may have been some delays. How unexpected.

Update 4: Well, 6pm London time has come and gone. However, Steorn's site now says that the video will go live at 6pm "Eastern Time." Apparently, their demo is aimed at the US. A fossil-fuel Independence Day? Riiiiight.

Update 5: Jeebus, what a non-event. Even though they wield supreme control over the laws of physics, Steorn had to cancel tonight's event "due to technical difficulties." We'd laugh if it wasn't so pathetically tragic. The live stream is now rescheduled ambiguously to the 5th July. Now move along folks, there's nothing to see here.
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http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/04/steorns-orbo-free-energy-machine-demonstrated-tomorrow/
 
So that would be a no on the 'legitimate devices' front then.

Just how do you like your crow cooked?
 
So, does that mean g4 will be saying "I told you so" to himself? Or is there another excuse waiting in the wings?
 
g4macdad said:
"True Science teaches us to doubt, and in ignorance, refrain" - Claude Bernard

:cool:
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That's right. Real scientists doubt their technology will work. We refrain from proclaiming the end to all our worries until it's proven to work.
 
Horatius said:
That's right. Real scientists doubt their technology will work. We refrain from proclaiming the end to all our worries until it's proven to work.
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C'mon Horatius, you have refrained from everything in life, and have never worked at anything.

You ain't fooling anybody. :cool:
 
g4macdad said:
C'mon Horatius, you have refrained from everything in life, and have never worked at anything.

You ain't fooling anybody. :cool:
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So, still no "I told myself"s?

And we're the ones who are supposed to look idiotic today.....Funny how that worked out, innit?
 
From the site:
Update 5: Jeebus, what a non-event. Even though they wield supreme control over the laws of physics, Steorn had to cancel tonight's event "due to technical difficulties."
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*Yawn* How utterly predictable.
 
Ziggurat said:
I did some digging around from g4macdad's link, and found this "explanation" of how it works:
http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/news.nv?storyid=single8713
It's pretty damned laughable:
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That's truly pathetic.

I also note from Steorn's own website;
Orbo is based upon the principle of time variant magneto-mechanical interactions. The core output from our Orbo technology is mechanical. This mechanical energy can be converted into electrical energy using standard generator technology either by integrating such technology directly with Orbo or by connecting the mechanical output from Orbo to the generation technology. The efficiency of such mechanical/electrical conversions is highly dependent on the components used and is also a function of size.
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In other words, they haven't actually hooked it up to a generator yet. Want to bet that when they do it rapidly grinds to a halt? And so far it only produces a minuscule amount of energy, so not much use for large scale energy production.
 
What losers! It's not that hard to make "perpetual motion machines" that look as if they work. Here you can see a couple made by David Jones. The point about David Jones's machines is that they were presented as conjuring tricks. There were even prizes offered for working out the secret of the deception, which didn't stop some people believing that David had really discovered the secret of perpetual motion.
 
In other words, they haven't actually hooked it up to a generator yet. Want to bet that when they do it rapidly grinds to a halt? And so far it only produces a minuscule amount of energy, so not much use for large scale energy production.
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Even if it produced only a minuscule amount of energy, it would mean that energy COULD be generated out of 'nothing' and that still would be a break through. Generating larges amounts of 'free' energy is then a matter of scaling and improvement.

But let's first see if this whole demonstration actually is going anywhere... so far I haven't been impressed at all...

Bruce Jongejans
 
It's that damn friction that's holding back the demonstration.
Common ya'll, they should be taking care of that as we speak.
What's friction compared to the will of the mind?

Regards,
Yair
 
Ladewig said:
As better men than I have frequently said: yes, they laughed at Galileo and Einstein, but the also laughed at Bozo the clown.
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It's a nice quote that I've used many times. Unfortunately it's actually wrong. They didn't laugh at Galileo, they threatened to excommunicate him and placed him under house arrest for the rest of his life because they realised he might be right and were scared of him. They certainly didn't laugh at Einstein, they looked at the maths and realised that he was pretty damn clever. (In fact, I doubt they laughed at Bozo the clown either. Clowns just aren't funny.)

It's a common claim that "they laughed at [insert famous name here]", but in reality they didn't. I can't think of a single person who was laughed at that didn't thoroughly deserve it. Ignored, yes. Laughed at, no.
 
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