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It is quite certain Peter spent his last years in Rome

That is just amazing. Apparently I can make predictions about things that can be controlled by me or someone else. Who would ever have imagined that. I have just as much power as Jesus Christ.
 
DOC said:
Well Christ did call Peter "the Rock" that he would build his Church on:

"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (Mathew 16:18)

If the altar of St. Peter's Basilica (maybe the biggest Church in the world) is built directly above the grave of Peter that would be quite a prediction ol' Christ made.
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So what?
 
Jekyll said:
Yup, in fact that's the reason various Orthodox and Protestant scholars have disagreed with this interpretation. It seems that they felt the Catholics might have been telling fibs for Jesus.
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Do you have a source for this. I have to believe the father of Protestantism Martin Luther would not say anything like this about "Peter being in Rome".
 
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Mark A. Siefert said:
And your point is?
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Well maybe God wants you all to have something to think about.

What exactly did turn Peter around from a scared ****less wimp into "the man".

I guess you also have to wonder what turned Paul around also.
 
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Freethinker said:
Do ya think, just maybe, that the early Christians built the church there BECAUSE OF THE PREDICTION!
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Probably but not because they thought that they were directly following it. "upon this rock I will build my church" would generaly be read as "Peter will be the key figure in the early church". So building your actual church on the grave or supposed grave (there is a grave down there but who's is a bit of a problem) would be viewed as a nice bit of symbolism rather than prediction fufillment.
 
Freethinker said:
Do ya think, just maybe, that the early Christians built the church there BECAUSE OF THE PREDICTION!
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I never heard anyone use the word prediction with regard to Mathew 16;18. It's just something that came to me when I was thinking about Peter.
 
DOC said:
Well maybe God wants you all to have something to think about.
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You are trying to guess what god wants now? Someone confessed unworthy?

DOC said:
What exactly did turn Peter around from a scared ****less wimp into "the man".
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It was the woman he denied Christ to. She made a man out of him because he was so weak.

Or maybe his conversation with the woman went like this:

Oh Christ no...

Oh Christ no...!

Oh Christ! No...!!


OH CHRIST YES!!!

DOC said:
I guess you also have to wonder what turned Paul around also.
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The wheel fell off his donkey at speed. Since it was doing nearly 30mph outside Ephesia at the time, Paul came down VERY hard on his ass.
 
ImaginalDisc said:
Is this the same encyclopedia that regards the transformation of wafers and wine into the flesh and blood of a fictional character as a fact?

Yeah, that's an objective and trustworthy authority.
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I believe Bush Sr., Bush Jr., Clinton, and Carter all considered John Paul II a trustworthy authority. Why else would they travel 6000 miles for his funeral.

And why does Fox and CNN have almost constant coverage of events like the pope's funeral and the election of a new pope that goes on for days.
 
DOC said:
Do you have a source for this. I have to believe the father of Protestantism Martin Luther would not say anything like this about "Peter being in Rome".
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Well if you're really interested you could start chasing links over on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Peter#Catholic_Church
and find a reputable source from there.

Do you have anything to back up your idea that Luther would never disagree with the Catholic church over this? Or that no Protestant scholars would disagree with Luther :p ?
 
DOC said:
Well Christ did call Peter "the Rock" that he would build his Church on. If the altar of St. Peter's Basilica (maybe the biggest Church in the world) is built directly above the grave of Peter that would be quite a prediction ol' Christ made.
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Speaking of "predictions ol' Christ made," how do you reconcile Matthew 23:36 (Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation) with Jesus's noted absence?
 
DOC said:
I believe Bush Sr., Bush Jr., Clinton, and Carter all considered John Paul II a trustworthy authority. Why else would they travel 6000 miles for his funeral.

And why does Fox and CNN have almost constant coverage of events like the pope's funeral and the election of a new pope that goes on for days.
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Why do some people just not seem to grasp what a non sequitor is? What the hell does any of this rambling have to do with whether the Catholic Encyclopedia is an objective and trustworthy authority or not?
 
DOC said:
I believe Bush Sr., Bush Jr., Clinton, and Carter all considered John Paul II a trustworthy authority. Why else would they travel 6000 miles for his funeral.
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Well, let's see. They all decided to travel together to go to Rome and hear the authoritative Pope's advice. But blow me down with a plate of soup - the old bugger had upped and died not a week before! Well, what could you say about that, sports fans?! That wasn't the slightest bit trustworthy of Il Papa, was it!

DOC said:
And why does Fox and CNN have almost constant coverage of events like the pope's funeral and the election of a new pope that goes on for days.
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To pay Ted Turner's electricity bills.

Next dumb questions? C'mon - bring 'em on! I'm here all night just for you!
 
DOC said:
I believe Bush Sr., Bush Jr., Clinton, and Carter all considered John Paul II a trustworthy authority. Why else would they travel 6000 miles for his funeral.

And why does Fox and CNN have almost constant coverage of events like the pope's funeral and the election of a new pope that goes on for days.
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When last I checked 1 out of 4 Americans are Catholic (I should know, I was one of them). I would say it has to far more to do with the need for Politicians and Pay TV news services to suck up of a quarter of the dimwitted population than any factual authority held by the RCC.
 
UnrepentantSinner said:
Why do some people just not seem to grasp what a non sequitor is? What the hell does any of this rambling have to do with whether the Catholic Encyclopedia is an objective and trustworthy authority or not?
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I was trying to figure this out as well.

DOC, please explain why it would matter if Peter was in Rome?
Would it mean anything to you if someone was to claim;
1.) Muhammad definitely was born in Mecca!
2.) The Buddha defeinitely sat beneath the Bohdi Tree!
3.) J.K.Rowling Definitely wrote the 7th book of Harry Potter while drinking a nice cup of joe!

These may or may not be facts, and are so mundane as to have no meaning to themselves. Their truth (even if they are true) do nothing to prove any greater truth.
 
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