Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

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First let me say a big "hello" to all the folks on this forum. I've heard about it, but never actually knew where it was or looked it up to join. :)

That being said I see my name in a couple of posts and I'd like to let you know a little about me and my reasons for doing a radio show about the bigfoot phenomenon. I see a couple of names I'm familiar with, Kitakaze, Skeptical Greg, and RayG. I'm always nervous to post on a new forum so please bear with me here.

My main reason is so people with their own points of view pro or con have a platform (like dozens of others) by which to voice their opinions. I think it's just as important to hear from a person who is skeptical as it is a person who entertains the possibility of the existence of a species coined bigfoot to be native to North America. One side of the coin isn't a balanced scale.

I have to claim ignorance where Dr. Begun is concerned. I'm not familiar with him/her. If he/she comes highly recommended on this forum then I see no reason not to allow Dr. Begun a segment on our show. Can someone point me to some information about Dr. Begun? If not, I'd be happy to google something if I knew the doctor's full name.

As Melissa said I am skeptical. I try to be objective and open minded but not so much so that my common sense and brain fall out. I don't have a habit of believing something just because someone tells me it's so. I require a bit more than that. On the show I try to be as neutral as possible and dont' like to give my opinions on the commentary by guests because the show isn't about me, it's about our guests and their points of view.

That being said, I don't schedule our guests, nor does Melissa. Our producers Bob Strain and Kathy Strain fill out our show schedules with the guest line up. We have input on who we'd like to interview.

Actually, I think you've brought a very good idea to light and that is to invite opposite opinions to the show for intellectual debate. I'm not sure anyone else is doing that at present. I would also urge anyone who has a question or comment to call the show and ask those questions or give those comments. We'd like to hear from listeners who can ask questions and get to the root of a matter in a way that is respectful yet thought provoking. Obviously we don't want the show to break down into a free-for-all, but lively debate would be great for the listeners and great for the show. Offering both sides of the issue would guarantee both beleivers and skeptics listening to the show. I see that as a win win situation. I can set up a call in line for the JREF forum so the forum would have it's own pin number to use and that way we could identify the forum as the source of the caller on the radio.

Kitakaze, thank you very much for the commendation of our show and the critique as well. We need to know what's missing in our shows or what listeners think we need to improve upon.

Thanks for allowing me on the forum. I hope I havent' stepped in anything. LOL

If no one has ever posted our show information then here it is:
Let's Talk Bigfoot
9 p.m. Central time Wednesday nights (unless we've had to reschedule a show for Tuesday night instead. There are a couple of those coming up)
Talkcast ID: 30301
JREF Caller Pin: 0315610001
If someone who has the capability would post the address I'd be much obliged. I don't have the required number of posts to post the web address.

Thank you for your time!
 
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Melissa said:
Many may not know the name Alton Higgins, because he prefers to keep a low profile - I cant imagine why.
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If Bigfoot is really real, then there should be no reason to keep a low profile. It's supposed to be a mammal, not a secret Mafia scheme. Why would anyone want to "lay low" when they promote the existence of an existing animal?

Higgins keeps a high profile. He is all over the Texas Bigfoot Research Center (TRBC) website. He is listed on their Board of Advisors, and can be seen participating in their documented research operations which are posted on the website. He is the author of a web-published article on evaluating Bigfoot photos, and in that article said that Patty is a real Bigfoot.

I guess you have an opinion on why Higgins keeps a low profile (I think he doesn't really). When looking at your postings on various forums, you seem to have lots of strong opinions. It looks like you are an avid believer in the existence of Bigfoot (rather than a neutral indecisive one). How do you run this internet show claiming to be neutral, when it looks just like you are a Bigfooter "in real life"?
 
Teresa.Hall said:
My main reason is so people with their own points of view pro or con have a platform (like dozens of others) by which to voice their opinions. I think it's just as important to hear from a person who is skeptical as it is a person who entertains the possibility of the existence of a species coined bigfoot to be native to North America. One side of the coin isn't a balanced scale.
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Welcome to JREF, Teresa. Given what you two are saying, I suggest:

1. You aggressively pursue strong Bigfoot skeptics to be guests on your show.
2. You announce your upcoming shows on skeptical forums like JREF.

This will give better "balance" to the question about the existence of Bigfoot. Right now, your show looks like it is geared for Bigfoot believers.

As Melissa said I am skeptical. I try to be objective and open minded but not so much so that my common sense and brain fall out.
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Do you mean that you are skeptical of the existence of Bigfoot? As in, you see things that suggest that Bigfoot is just a myth with active promotion by many people who want to make it seem like a real animal is behind it all? Or, are you skeptical of skepticism because your 'common sense' tells you that there must be a real animal behind all of this?

What is it that compels you to be skeptical of Bigfoot?
 
Thank you, Mr. Parcher, I am half of the show in that I am one of the co-hosts. I'd like recommendations of whom the people here would like to see us schedule. I'm unfamiliar with most of the posters here.

I would also welcome putting weekly or monthly guest schedules up here on the JREF if that is allowed. Unfortunately we are booked until the end of August with guests scheduled already, but I will work with anyone here who is of a mind to throw out some names of candidates this forum would like to see interviewed so we can work on scheduling them. It was never my intention to neglect this forum where the show was concerned. I merely didn't know much about this forum or where it was located. I've got a lot of reading to do here!

Teresa
 
William Parcher said:
If Bigfoot is really real, then there should be no reason to keep a low profile. It's supposed to be a mammal, not a secret Mafia scheme. Why would anyone want to "lay low" when they promote the existence of an existing animal?

Higgins keeps a high profile. He is all over the Texas Bigfoot Research Center (TRBC) website. He is listed on their Board of Advisors, and can be seen participating in their documented research operations which are posted on the website. He is the author of a web-published article on evaluating Bigfoot photos, and in that article said that Patty is a real Bigfoot.

I guess you have an opinion on why Higgins keeps a low profile (I think he doesn't really). When looking at your postings on various forums, you seem to have lots of strong opinions. It looks like you are an avid believer in the existence of Bigfoot (rather than a neutral indecisive one). How do you run this internet show claiming to be neutral, when it looks just like you are a Bigfooter "in real life"?
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Well, judging by the fact on this board there were people who had to ask who Alton Higgins is - that tells me (and should suggest to you) Mr. Higgins is not as public as you might think. Yes, he is a researcher with the TBRC, and he does have some of his work posted, but he is not as vocal as some.
I don't run this show. Being objective or neutral is about looking at the evidence (or potential) from both view points. I would hope that way of thinking could be appreciated.

Yes I do have rather strong opinions, is that not allowed? It seems to me strong opinions are welcome here. I don't consider my opinions half as strong as some I have read on this very forum (and I have found myself agreeing with most). A person can investigate this mystery, and still remain objective about the existence of the animal. It is possible. I am, and always will be critical of reports, and any evidence presented. That is how I choose to investigate. I never said I didnt think the possibility was there for this animal to exist - I am however very cautious and critical of sighting reports and other pieces of potential evidence - regardless of what side of the issue they come from.

Some of my opinions are much stronger than others, but I don't think that makes me any less objective or able to evaluate information. Its all in how you take in the information, thats all.
 
Melissa said:
Now, where Rick Noll acquired the 650 lb bull elk leg. Does it really matter? Do you need to see it? If you did see it and you knew where it came from would you be more apt to think Rick Noll, Alton Higgins or Dr. Meldrum were being honest about the findings once the impression comparison was done? I'm sure that information is not going to sway one person as to the identity of the animal that made the impression that is known as the "Skookum Cast", but I will ask Rick Noll the question, because it was asked.
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I posted those questions about the elk experimentation both here and on the BFF because it should matter. No, I don't need to see the bodypart, but you can't cut corners if you're trying to conduct scientific experiments. Was the bodypart from an actual Roosevelt elk, or a smaller species? Why was the bodypart of such a small elk used when they grow 400 lbs larger? If no experiments were conducted with a similar bodypart from a larger elk, how can anyone claim with any certainty that it wouldn't have fit?

Keep in mind they're speculating that an undiscovered large bipedal primate left the impression, not an elk, and they have ruled out elk, in part, because of the experiment they conducted with an (undersized) elk wrist. Now, if someone can conclusively show that elk wrists are all the same size no matter the weight of the critter, I will gladly stand corrected.

RayG
 
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Teresa.Hall said:
First let me say a big "hello" to all the folks on this forum...I see a couple of names I'm familiar with, Kitakaze, Skeptical Greg, and RayG.
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Hidey-ho Teresa, welcome to the board. (waves enthusiastically)

I think it's just as important to hear from a person who is skeptical as it is a person who entertains the possibility of the existence of a species coined bigfoot to be native to North America.
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A true skeptic IS open to the possibility. :D

I have to claim ignorance where Dr. Begun is concerned. I'm not familiar with him/her.
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You and me both. :confused:

Other than a few paragraphs in this document, what else has he written regarding bigfoot?

RayG
 
That's an interesting article Ray. I skimmed it and found it fascinating. Thanks for the link. I'd really like to interview the author. :)
 
Ray, I do agree with you to a point, which is why I said I would be more than happy to ask these questions of Rick Noll.
 
To say that an elk has to leave hoofprints in it's body print is demonstrably untrue, and it took little effort to find this out.

It was in fact, found out long ago.

I can only believe this is just dishonesty on the part of those promoting the idea, since the evidence is so readily available.

What we have is probably the same old game of finding a believer with credentials and holding them up falsely as an unbiased expert.
 
Teresa.Hall said:
I have to claim ignorance where Dr. Begun is concerned. I'm not familiar with him/her. If he/she comes highly recommended on this forum then I see no reason not to allow Dr. Begun a segment on our show. Can someone point me to some information about Dr. Begun?
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Hi Teresa .. Very glad you stopped by ..

I provided a link to Dr. Begun's particulars when I first mentioned him ..

http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/anthropology/Faculty/Begun/index.htm

I have no doubt you will give him the consideration he deserves ..
 
Sorry I missed your link earlier Diogenes. Thank you for supplying it again for me. I'll keep the forum posted on the guest schedule and let you know how we fare with Dr. Begun in scheduling an interview.

Thanks for the welcome too!
 
Teresa.Hall said:
That's an interesting article Ray. I skimmed it and found it fascinating. Thanks for the link. I'd really like to interview the author. :)
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Diogenes said:
Hi Teresa .. Very glad you stopped by ..

I provided a link to Dr. Begun's particulars when I first mentioned him ..

http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/anthropology/Faculty/Begun/index.htm

I have no doubt you will give him the consideration he deserves ..
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Just off the top of my head, how about a Jeff Meldrum/David Begun joint interview?
 
Kitakaze, you read my mind. Diogenes, I wasn't thinking of a debate scenario, rather a panel discussion type scenario where the same questions were asked to both academics and each given a chance to respond. The listener would then be able to make up their own mind from the information given.

I'll be the first to say I'm not an academic, so I'd be way out of my league trying to have an "intelligent" discussion with the likes of Dr. Begun or Dr. Meldrum. I think it would be enormously interesting to allow them to discuss their views on open radio with a question pool. In the spirit of fairness, I'd like to see questions put to them from this forum and from the bigfoot geared forums.

Of course all my best laid plans will be dashed on the rocks of reality should either choose not to be interviewed. ;)
 
Teresa, wellcome to JREF forum.

If there's still time, there are some questions I would like submit. I'm pretty aware they were asked before, but I can't say I consider the answers that I know as being adequate. Maybe because they were second-hand accounts/opinions or quotes that lost sense outside their full original context.

They are basically variants of the same question. Here they are:

-In your opinion, why there's a lack of interest from "mainstream science" regarding Skookum cast if its so clear that its a body print from an unclassified giant bipedal North American primate?

-Exactly what sort of efforts were made to present it to "mainstream scientists"? Do you consider they were enough?

-Why no paper (on peer-reviewed journal) has ever been published on it if its so important and undisputable?

Moving ahead, have you already interviewed Tube and Desert Yeti? I think they could provide good starting points when it comes to presenting skeptic's arguments and reasonings.

Ray, thanks for the link. I forgot who wrote that article. Shame on me, LOL!
 
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Correa Neto said:
Teresa, wellcome to JREF forum.

If there's still time, there are some questions I would like submit. I'm pretty aware they were asked before, but I can't say I consider the answers that I know as being adequate. Maybe because they were second-hand accounts/opinions or quotes that lost sense outside their full original context.

They are basically variants of the same question. Here they are:

-In your opinion, why there's a lack of interest from "mainstream science" regarding Skookum cast if its so clear that its a body print from an unclassified giant bipedal North American primate?

-Exactly what sort of efforts were made to present it to "mainstream scientists"? Do you consider they were enough?

-Why no paper (on peer-reviewed journal) has ever been published on it if its so important and undisputable?
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I assume these are questions for our next guest, Rick Noll and good ones too, thank you! I'm adding these to the question pool. :)

Moving ahead, have you already interviewed Tube and Desert Yeti? I think they could provide good starting points when it comes to presenting skeptic's arguments and reasonings.
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We have not interviewed Tube or DesertYeti, yet. I'd like to ask both gentleman here on this forum if they'd agree to do an interview with us. :)

Ray, thanks for the link. I forgot who wrote that article. Shame on me, LOL!
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Welcome, Teresa! I'm thrilled to see you posting here. Dare I say it? Twitterpated, even! (Teresa is a charming southern belle).
 
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