Extraordinary Rendition

[stateofgrace]

This story is being played out in the UK mainstream media.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,,2099073,00.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1903416.ece

These are not tabloid papers nor are they prone to printing unfounded allegations. I have been following this story for some time and there does seem to be some truth behind this. This really does a appear to be a nasty CIA black operation that has gone horribly wrong and has been exposed by the main stream media.

At this moment the UK Government have denied that it took pace, a UK police investigation seems to imply that it never took place and that no CIA planes landed in Heathrow.

Taking aside the story for a moment, which I actually believe could very well be true; I would like to ask the resident truthers a couple of questions, or anybody else who cares to comment.

Why is it that the main stream media, whom you seem to dismiss as people who will not listen to you, will not dare print your theories and investigate 911 fully , which you believe is a black op are all of a sudden exposing another CIA black operation ?

Why is it that the main stream media are quite willing to probe and prod this black operation and not the one carried out on 911?

Why is it that the mainstream media, who are so untrustworthy, are now exposing or trying to exposes a CIA black operation, are they not owned by the CIA?

I was actually expecting the truther forums to be buzzing with this story, holding up yet another CIA black operation and telling everybody how it is all part of the master plan. I haven’t actually seen a truther comment on this story and the Medias reaction to it.

So truthers, should I now suddenly listen to the main stream media or do I do as you advise and ignore them?

PS, I am not sure how this story is playing out elsewhere but over in the UK it is making headlines and there is genuine concern that human rights have been abused. I personally would never defend this nor would I ever defend torture and abuses of human rights. Whether this story is true or not, is not the point or issue here, the issue here is the main medias reaction to it, which quite frankly is one of absolute condemnation.

Why not this reaction to the alleged black op on 911?

 

[jdon]

Why is it that the main stream media, whom you seem to dismiss as people who will not listen to you, will not dare print your theories and investigate 911 fully , which you believe is a black op are all of a sudden exposing another CIA black operation ?

Why is it that the main stream media are quite willing to probe and prod this black operation and not the one carried out on 911?

Why is it that the mainstream media, who are so untrustworthy, are now exposing or trying to exposes a CIA black operation, are they not owned by the CIA?

Why not this reaction to the alleged black op on 911?

There is a slight difference here - there's a trial going on in Italy and that is what is being reported in news stories. Where do you have any relevant similar trials for 911?

And, how much have the journalists dug and uncovered for themselves?

 

[jhunter1163]

Here in the US, this has been a middle- to back-page story for some time, but bubbles up onto the front pages from time to time. I haven't read enough about it to render an opinion as to the truth of it, but I have little doubt that light is going to be shined on this particular black op, as it should be. If this is true, and prisoners were abused, I think those responsible should go to jail, all the way to the top.

The important difference between this and the alleged operation on 9/11 is that these events happened. They can be proved independently. There is no proof of CIA involvement in 9/11 (i. e., LIHOP or MIHOP) because there wasn't any. The CIA is just a convenient bogey for some nuts who can't accept that, yes, Muslim extremists defeated us on 9/11.

 

[stateofgrace]

There is a slight difference here - there's a trial going on in Italy and that is what is being reported in news stories. Where do you have any relevant similar trials for 911?

And, how much have the journalists dug and uncovered for themselves?

No there is not a slight difference here. The media are now covering a very real operation allegedly carried out by the CIA; they are taking this story seriously.

Why would they not do that for 911, why would they not apply the same standards?

 

[Gravy]

I thought this was going to be a link to another Ace Baker song.

Here's what's happening with media coverage. We only get to read what the U.S. administration wants us to read, but what they want us to read has changed over time. I think we can all agree that it's a well-known fact that many people say that studies have shown that once a president's approval rating reaches about 30%, it's no longer worth trying to keep bad news from the press. That's because the approval ratings auto-reset when they hit zero. I think we're going to see all sorts of news about secret operations gone awry, budgetary catastrophes, and transsexual prostitutes frolicking in the Lincoln Bedroom. Bush needs to get to zero so he can go out on a high note.

 

[jdon]

No there is not a slight difference here. The media are now covering a very real operation allegedly carried out by the CIA; they are taking this story seriously.

Why would they not do that for 911, why would they not apply the same standards?

Ok, I'll revise my words. There is a big difference here!

The media is only now covering something that they themselves should have dug up long ago, and didn't. Now there is a trial. And this really is an old story.

 

[stateofgrace]

Ok, I'll revise my words. There is a big difference here!

The media is only now covering something that they themselves should have dug up long ago, and didn't. Now there is a trial. And this really is an old story.

Indeed, but you didn't actually address the point of the thread nor the questions I asked you. Why the media who are quite happy to expose wrong doings over and over again will not apply these standards to 911?

 

[jdon]

Indeed, but you didn't actually address the point of the thread nor the questions I asked you. Why the media who are quite happy to expose wrong doings over and over again will not apply these standards to 911?

They are not especially happy to expose wrongdoings when they have something to risk. In the case where they only report actualities occurring, as with the now ongoing trial, they are more than eager to jump on the bandwagon.

 

[stateofgrace]

They are not especially happy to expose wrongdoings when they have something to risk. In the case where they only report actualities occurring, as with the now ongoing trial, they are more than eager to jump on the bandwagon.

Let me get this straight, according to you there is no risk in reporting a CIA operation that involves ferrying guys half way across the planet to be tortured, this is ok. But to actually investigate and publish findings on USG complicacy in the mass murder of their own citizens is off limits, right?

What do you reckon the "something" is, by the way, the “something to risk”? That prevents the main stream media from launching a full journalistic investigation into 911?

 

[jdon]

But to actually investigate and publish findings on USG complicacy in the mass murder of their own citizens is off limits, right?

What do you reckon the "something" is, by the way, the “something to risk”? That prevents the main stream media from launching a full journalistic investigation into 911?

9/11 is a very special and sensitive topic for US media. And, don't get stuck on 9/11 - my comments relates to any investigative and controversial journalism out there.

 

[stateofgrace]

9/11 is a very special and sensitive topic for US media. And, don't get stuck on 9/11 - my comments relates to any investigative and controversial journalism out there.

This is not the US media; the US does not control the planets media.

Will you actually answer my question or are you simply going to try and draw circles around it? Why will the world’s media not apply the same standards to journalism with regards to 911 when they are quite content to investigate other forms of wrong doing?

It is a simple question, the CIA ferry people around the planet to be tortured, investigated and reported. The USG is complacent in mass murder, silence by the worlds media, no investigation, why is that?

 

[WildCat]

The USG is complacent in mass murder, silence by the worlds media, no investigation, why is that?

To state the obvious, extraordinary rendition is real and the 9/11 conspiracy the troofers champion is a load of [rule 8].

 

[negativ]

I thought this was going to be a link to another Ace Baker song.

Here's what's happening with media coverage. We only get to read what the U.S. administration wants us to read, but what they want us to read has changed over time. I think we can all agree that it's a well-known fact that many people say that studies have shown that once a president's approval rating reaches about 30%, it's no longer worth trying to keep bad news from the press. That's because the approval ratings auto-reset when they hit zero. I think we're going to see all sorts of news about secret operations gone awry, budgetary catastrophes, and transsexual prostitutes frolicking in the Lincoln Bedroom. Bush needs to get to zero so he can go out on a high note.

You forgot to mention that it's confirmed.

 

[beachnut]

No there is not a slight difference here. The media are now covering a very real operation allegedly carried out by the CIA; they are taking this story seriously.

Why would they not do that for 911, why would they not apply the same standards?

You are saying, if someone can crack what the CIA has done, then they could crack a 9/11 plot by the CIA.

So true.

 

[Big Les]

Damn, I can't believe we didn't think of this for one of the "which CTs are true" threads. Granted all the facts are not yet in, but on balance this seems to be a very real "conspiracy" happening pretty much right now.

And quel surprise - it was found out.

 

[stateofgrace]

Damn, I can't believe we didn't think of this for one of the "which CTs are true" threads. Granted all the facts are not yet in, but on balance this seems to be a very real "conspiracy" happening pretty much right now.

And quel surprise - it was found out.

Exactly, has as been pointed out,it is obvious, so obvious that the truthers cannot see it.

It needs spelling out to them.

Real conspiracies and wrong doings, irrespective of who does them get discovered and gets reported. Secrets do not stay secret for long. This is what the main stream media do. Real conspiracies do not remain a secret for five year plus, people talk, people get caught out and the media reports it all.

Real conspiracies and wrong doings are not discovered and unearthed by teenagers in black tee-shirts who hope to change the world by watching you tube videos and spending all day glued to a PC.

The world and the main stream media are quite capable of doing it without your help truthers.

 

[8den]

You forgot to mention that it's confirmed.

Technically it's not confirmed. All the media know is that planes that are leased to the US government, are flying in from destinations like Pakistan, and Afghanistan, refueling in the UK, and then flying to secret US prisons, or prisons of countries, with a more "flexible" definition of the concepts of the declaration of human rights, and with a copy of the Geneva convention being used to prop up a wonky table leg.

Whats amazing is, the US are telling us, "no way buddy, no way are those planes transporting terror suspects" And the European governments are going "Ah grand so, don't need to check, America's never lied to us"

It's one of the reasons a coalition government failed to form in Ireland at the weekend. The ruling Fianna Fail (prounced "foil") party failed to arrange a coalition government with the Green party, one of the objections being the US's use of Shannon airport.

Irish people have been objecting to the US's use of Shannon airport since the build up to the Iraq War. A former UN commendant (sic?) challenged the allowance of the US to use Shannon as it was a breach of our constitutional enshrined neutrality. He failed but in the processes forced a serious of climb downs from the government. The government's first assertion was that the troops were going through unarmed, which was pratically laughed off the stage by a simple phone call to USMC press office. Then it was just "troops and side arms" until photos of cargo hercules at shannon turned up, and the Irish government developed at "We won't ask you don't tell".

Then a young peace activist, and plane spotter began meticilously recording the flight details and plane IDs of planes coming into shannon, he's an old firend of my wife, and working with other groups across europe they were picked up by a Swedish documentary crew, and this is how the story broke.

Its obscene and outrageous and immoral and our governments handling of it stinks to high heaven.

 

[Big Les]

In other words, this really is a Conspiracy Theory, with actual (if circumstantial) evidence to back it!

Holy Avery!

 

[T.A.M.]

now now SOG...you know better than to throw a rope down the rabbit hole. Noone down there is going to grab it...they like it, dare I say, love it down there. It is all cozy, everyone in the same state of paranoia...

TAM

 

[stateofgrace]

now now SOG...you know better than to throw a rope down the rabbit hole. Noone down there is going to grab it...they like it, dare I say, love it down there. It is all cozy, everyone in the same state of paranoia...

TAM

Hey,give them enough rope.