The Buddha Was Wrong, a Skeptical Buddhist Site

[yrreg]

Ryokan is an ex Resident Buddhist here, but I changed him.

I liked your site because it made a serious attempt at criticizing Buddhism, something other anti-Buddhist sites do not. In my mind, nothing is beyond criticism. Your Dalai Lama article made me literally laugh out loud.

Who said I didn't practice the dhamma? Just because I haven't gone to a monastery to become a bhikku and long to meditate myself into non-existance? I can't be a Buddhist because, in general, I rather like existance?

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If you had read all my posts attentively here and specially in the Internet Infidels Discussion Board, and also elsewhere, then you would call yourself an Yrregist or a Pachomist or a Susmist, etc., because what you have acquired associating with your banned sect of Buddhism, banned in the E-Sangha, you could have learned from me by osmosis.

At least I succeeded in convincing you to forgo your slate of Resident Buddhist previously coming after your name in every message you wrote.

"No mean feat" like getting myself banned from the Internet Infidels Discussion Board.


Yrreg

 

[yrreg]

Dacnig David, candidate for hate speech or extreme cruelty to a fellow poster...?

[directed toward Dustin...]​

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And when it comes to your lack of history knowledge and your histrionic need for conformity I assume you must be from the USA, which also explains your total lack of language comprehension.


Nanny nanny boo boo.

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Poseur, sceptic wannabe, charlatan. those are defined terms that fit your behavior.
I draw the line at intellectual fascist, you are close but haven't crossed the line yet.

Your father was a hamster and your mather smelled of elderberry. I wave my private parts (kept in a special safe just for the occasion) at your aunties. Go away you silly english kinigit before I taunt you again.

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Last edited by Dancing David : 31st May 2007 at 03:49 AM. [Sic]​

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Paging Loss Leader: see any hate speech here? or at least extremely cruel content against a fellow poster?


Between Ryokan and Dancing David, Ryokan seems to be postgraduating from his summer of infatuation with Buddhism; but with Dancing David, he is the bigoted funadmentalist equivalent Buddhist.


Just my spontaneous evaluation.


Take cover, everyone, he is going to hurl his private parts at you, for contradicting his views and logic and spelling -- or keep your aunties out of sight.


Yrreg

 

[Lonewulf]

Just my spontaneous evaluation.

Thanks! I'll file that where it belongs.

*Throws in trashcan*

Seriously, "extreme cruelty"? Do you not even see how ludicrous your claim is?

 

[andyandy]

When I post I read the posts in the order they are posted and respond to them that way. David posted that several posts after I responded. Even if I responded after he posted it, I didn't actually see it until I got to it. In that instance it was before he had claimed it was a form of dyslexia post wise and he was claiming his lack of ability to spell was due to the English language.

Dustin - stop lying!


You responded to this post

I just learned today that it is a form of dyslexia! He didn't tell me that.

It sounds to me that you're making it up as you go along.

and then you boast to david....

I can spell English just fine though. Why can I and you can't?

How was he not claiming it was a form of dyslexia? How did you not read it? You quoted it in your response!

And for your information, as has already been pointed out, English is a difficult language for dyslexia sufferers because of its archaic ad-hoc spelling rules...hence it's perfectly acceptable for dyslexia sufferers to point to that fact as one of the reasons for their spelling mistakes.

please STOP LYING!

 

[Lonewulf]

Dustin's getting mighty sloppy in this thread...

 

[yrreg]

Nothing original in what you embrace of your kind of Buddhism.

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Well, it seems both onemind and Dustin wants to strip away my label as Buddhist.

Well, then, I ask both of you. What is the requirement for being a Buddhist?

I'm a member of the Norwegian Buddhist Federation, the Friends of the Western Buddhist Order, consider myself a Theravada Buddhist and acknowledge the Four Noble Truths and the Three Jewels. What more do I need?

From the first moment when I met you here, I had been telling you that you don't have to label yourself Buddhist in order to observe the timesless, immemorial, humanistic, wisdom teachings of civilized mankind, predating Buddha. and will be with us to the day against those teachings mankind destroys itself.

Just say you accept and seek to observe the best teachings of the sages of all ages even before Buddha came alone and tied up those teachings he borrowed with his kind of Nirvana, and according to some of his socalled followers, with the inutile concept of no-self.


Okay, tell me Ryokan, if you just know a little history of human wisdom, what is so proprietary with Gautama of the four noble truths? If any makes sense, it belongs to common wisdom of civilized mankind even before Buddha; if any makes for nonsense, it is proprietary with Buddha or ascribed to Buddha by his socalled followers.


Calling yourself Buddhist is just associating yourself with primitive superstitions; better cal yourself an ethical humanist or ethical rationalist.



Yrreg

 

[yrreg]

Don't forget the anti sex libertinism of Buddhism.

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I hate to say this, but it is my honest and unbiased observation.

From what I read, Western Buddhists do not observe the Eastern Buddhist anti sex libertinism rife among the formers.

If you read homilies from Eastern Buddhist mentors even of contemporary history, they mention that Western Buddhists are not true to their Buddhism for in effect teaching that Buddhism accepts sex libertinism.

They are practically horrified by open scandals in some Western Buddhist sanghas where sexual liberties are rife, and intrigues plus rivalries plague disciples over the favors of their masters, err, gurus.


sorry to say what is a kept silent taboo topic; but that is the fact.


What a combination, spirituality in the quest for enlightenment and sexual liberality to boot -- that is what they make of Buddhism in the West among some otherwise most meditative Buddhists, investing hours of mental concentration to reach Nirvana on this side of the grave.

Ah, you say, that is only for monks, but not for ordinary lay Buddhists. Well, that is very convenient; What about those Zen tenants in sanghas doing their community life, are they in effect monks, or what are they, weekend visitors only?



Yrreg

 

[yrreg]

Sorry, forgot to display the message of Dustin, in reaction to.

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So why not the Prajñā, Śīla or Patimokkha? Why not include them as well? Are these the teachings of Buddha? If not, what worth are they in Buddhism apart from any odd teachings? If they are then shouldn't they be followed just as anything else the Buddha taught?

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So how is the Buddha special apart from any other philosopher? Why call yourself a "Buddhist" simply because you agree with a few of the things he taught? One does not call themselves a "Millist" if they follow the teachings of John Stewart Mill or a "Saganist" if they follow what Carl Sagan wrote.

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I hate to say this, but it is my honest and unbiased observation.

From what I read, Western Buddhists do not observe the Eastern Buddhist anti sex libertinism rife among the formers.

If you read homilies from Eastern Buddhist mentors even of contemporary history, they mention that Western Buddhists are not true to their Buddhism for in effect teaching that Buddhism accepts sex libertinism.

They are practically horrified by open scandals in some Western Buddhist sanghas where sexual liberties are rife, and intrigues plus rivalries plague disciples over the favors of their masters, err, gurus.


Sorry to say what is a kept silent taboo topic; but that is the fact.


What a combination, spirituality in the quest for enlightenment and sexual liberality to boot -- that is what they make of Buddhism in the West among some otherwise most meditative Buddhists, investing hours of mental concentration to reach Nirvana on this side of the grave.

Ah, you say, that is only for monks, but not for ordinary lay Buddhists. Well, that is very convenient; What about those Zen tenants in sanghas doing their community life, are they in effect monks, or what are they, weekend visitors only?



Yrreg

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There, now the message is complete. Thanks for your forbearance.




Yrreg

 

[yrreg]

Originally Posted by Tanstaafl
So, who won the pool on when Yrreg would show up?

Or did no one think it would be past the first page?​

I knew it was going to happen but I should have typed it. What does the winner get?

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I will gift you with an online text of The Cloud of Unknowing, of which I suspect the author could have been Gautama in a postdated Christian rebirth as a 14th century English monk.


Yrreg

 

[yrreg]

Because here we can really practice free thought and speech.

So do all the smart people stay out of the religion and philosophy section?

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The way I see it, in religion and in philosophy, we truly have the right guaranteed in the Constitution to practice free thought and free speech, that is, without the constraints of critical thinking and empirical evidence, unlike in science and in logic and in mathematics.


That is why you see people here saying that there should be no absolutism in definitions of words, when they mean that there should be no conventionality in words; you just use any meaning you want to attach to any word, whatever the conventions already accepted by the mass of people speaking a language where that word is in the vocabulary.

Next, you don't have to set up the premises agreed upon by the people engaged in a discourse, and draw conclusions from them; you just keep on and on and improvise premises as you proceed, and make exceptions to them as convenient; and then put in the justification that you know from your heart and mind that what you assert is so, because of your conviction, which others can't understand because they don't have the convincing experience.



Yrreg

 

[andyandy]

This deserves a place in the JREF archives as the biggest, most appalling train-wreck of a thread ever to sully the forum. Truly.

 

[onemind]

agreed

 

[Dancing David]

Of course, or you would continue with your bs for another 10 pages. I think the clear moral of this story is that when discussing buddhism or anything for that matter gross generalisations are a mistake and lead to pointless arguments. I have enough common sense to admit that rather than you guys being to pig headed to actually pick a concept of buddhism to debate rather than argue about definitions.

Its like watctching a bunch of retards trying to **** a door knob.

And i'll save you the time and say it for you.

Boom boom, another troll point.

Go and meditate for f sake.

Quite the social skills, well i am glad you know we are retards i thought that you said you were just here to point out the errors in mainstream buddhism.

I am sorry you are a bigot, you must be another young one like Dustin. It must provide you some comfort to pretend that you know stuff about people just because they use the word buddhist.

Oh well you took the cover off your fake sceptic nature rather quickley didn't you.

Apparently you are here because you like to flame.

Whatever.

 

[Dancing David]

Yes you're right about that. However it's irrelevant and off topic. The point was that the old Norse didn't call her by the English term "God".

So did they call Frey LORD or Freya LADY?

Geez, I thought you could think for yourself.

 

[Dancing David]

It sounds to me that you're making it up as you go along.

Not really, I can give you his phone number if you like. Lets see he came back from LA in 1990 after he got his PhD at UCLA and taught at Weslyan for three years, we haven't talked much since he divorced his wife and I was her f-buddy for seven years. But I know the facts don't matter to you.

I said i was mistaken, I said why i said what i said. I didn't know he meant a variety of dyslexia, so I was wrong.

I can spell English just fine though. Why can I and you can't?

There are a lot of us poor spellers of english, but hey, whatever.

 

[Dancing David]

Some Christians define Christianity as a "Relationship with Jesus" and not a religion. It's irrelevant and they're wrong.



Either it is or it isn't.

Is or isn't what Dustin?

Somethings can not be determined some can.

Do all Xians use the same texts?

 

[Dancing David]

Who's possessed over it?



No it doesn't.



That's the name my parents gave me. It'd be too much trouble to change it. I'm used to it. Therefor I use it.



Technically they are wrong.

I am glad you are confident that you are right.

Whatever.

 

[Dancing David]

The essential nature of things varies from thing to thing.

What "Unknowable objects" are you talking about?

The things that we refer to as things. As humans we are limited in our ability to directly have knowledge of things. In science and reality we can only approximate the behavior of things, we can not know them directly. I am a hard knock materialist, I believe very strongly in the nature of things as they are.

However the things that we use to describe things are simply a set of self referencing symbols, they are approximations with different degrees of validity. So as humans we have to remind ourselves that our brain makes up the perceptions out of the sensations, and that often the things we perceive do not have a valid reference in reality. And in fact our brain often makes our internal reality up.

So words are symbols that point to made up perceptions that we all hopefully share based upon sensations. So i feel we must be careful when talking about the essential nature of things, it exists but our hold on it is rather manufactured by our brain at points.

Close one eye, look at a complex visual pattern, do you see the blind spot. No.

Because our brains manufacture the perception of visual material in the blind spot. that is true of many perceptions. Reality exists from what i can tell, but we must be careful to distinguish valid perception from invalid perception.

 

[Lonewulf]

I hate to say this, but it is my honest and unbiased observation.

Lol.

 

[Mashuna]

I only managed to read the first two pages and the last page of this thread, but I was amazed to see the transformation of Dustin into Yregg! It was faultless, I couldn't see the join. Well done to the two of you.