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Huh? Terrorists???

Do yo think that Al Qaida is a real threat we should be scared about?


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What are you talking about. I told you that Judaism accepts the Theory of Evolution and you wanted evidence. I gave you the evidence. I hope you will accept the evidence and not deny it merely because you would like it to be otherwise.


Wrong. That's a distinction that only Intelligent Design theorists have adopted and no sect of Judaism of which I am aware has ever accepted Intelligent Design.


What alternative Scriptures? All sects of Judaism use the same "Scriptures": The Tanach (what you call the Old Testament), the Talmud (the oral traditions of Judaism) and the Mishnah (the commentaries of learned Rabbis after the Exile). (Well, Karaite Jews -- a really obscure sect -- don't use Talmud or Mishnah, but now we're getting really picky.)

Orthodox Jews who reject evolution and believe in the literal truth of the Torah (and that's only some of them), do so mostly because that's what their rabbis in the 18th century decreed. Maimonides, the most famous rabbinical scholar stated in the 12th century (when there was only one sect of Judaism) that the Torah is not to be read literally -- it contain lessons of morality, not lessons of science. When he said it, by the way, he was not setting forth anything particularly groundbreaking. It was an unremarkable statement in its time because it's been the way most Jews have viewed the Torah since time immemorial.

As for what I personally believe, I believe that God created the universe with physical laws. I believe He gave Jews the Tanach with moral lessons to help us in our daily lives. I believe He may may have given other people other moral guidance in other forms. I believe he gave us the capacity for rational thought so that we might better understand His creation in a rational manner. That's what I believe, though I think it irrelevant to the current discussion.

You reject creationism but:

"As for what I personally believe, I believe that God created the universe with physical laws."

Yes it is silly to believe a God who can create all matter and physical laws and communicate with people to write down his word, would be able to create life.:boggled: ROTFL

I am so tempted to use an old tired crack joke right now.:p

I have to believe that you have grossly misinterpreted the beliefs of these people.
 
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Of course I can support my claim: Al Qaida wasn't able to make another attack in the US yet. So where are all these Terror-Cells around the Globe? How many Terror-Cells did you capture in the US beside the hundred false alarms in the Media?

By the way: Were the Guys connected to AQ who tried to make this terror-attack in the military base some weeks ago? :confused:

What a load of malarkey.

Yes, Al Queda has NOT made another attack on US soil...does that then entail that they are a 'phantom' organization, or that the US intelligence community is doing a fabulous job preventing such attacks?

BTW, you don't have to tell me...I already know your answer.
 
"As for what I personally believe, I believe that God created the universe with physical laws."

Yes it is silly to believe a God who can create all matter and physical laws would be able to create life.
I didn't say He couldn't. I merely don't believe He did, because the physical evidence doesn't support it and because I, like most Jews, don't believe the Torah was ever meant to be a guidebook to the universe's physical laws.
 
I didn't say He couldn't. I merely don't believe He did, because the physical evidence doesn't support it and because I, like most Jews, don't believe the Torah was ever meant to be a guidebook to the universe's physical laws.

What physical evidence do you have for your current "physical creation theory"? :eye-poppi

You aren't making much sense.
 
What physical evidence do you have for your current "physical creation theory"?
I said the evidence doesn't support creationism. As for the physical evidence for modern physics? This is neither the time nor the thread for such a discussion.

Are you going to acknowledge that I substantiated my claim that "Most sects of Judaism reject creationism" or not?
 
I said the evidence doesn't support creationism. As for the physical evidence for modern physics? This is neither the time nor the thread for such a discussion.

Are you going to acknowledge that I substantiated my claim that "Most sects of Judaism reject creationism" or not?

Of course not.

If there are multiple sects of Judaism then surely you must acknowledge that there are multiple sects of creationism.

One could no easier reject them all, than they could all Semites.

My question was about your theory, not modern physics. So evidence please.
 
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Of course not.

If there are multiple sects of Judaism then surely you must acknowledge that there are multiple sects of creationism.

One could no easier reject them all, than they could all Semites.

My question was about your theory, not modern physics. So evidence please.
When your dad gets home, please apologize to him for spending the money he gave to you, for school books, on porn and E.

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I voted that Al-Queda is real

I voted that Al-Queda is real but that I do not worry about an attack from them.

My stance is and always has been that my civil liberties are not up for discussion or modification at any time and especially under the guise of making me safer. I take the risk every day that some whacko could kill me as a given versus the certainty that giving the government the latitude to spy on me, detain me without charges or warrants, and possibly deport or kill me if I am inconvenient to them means that at some point they will do that to myself or someone else who has done nothing wrong.
 
What a load of malarkey.

Yes, Al Queda has NOT made another attack on US soil...does that then entail that they are a 'phantom' organization, or that the US intelligence community is doing a fabulous job preventing such attacks?

BTW, you don't have to tell me...I already know your answer.


Oh, so you think the Intelligence is protecting you all the time since 9/11.
That means that every propaganda from politicians about "I will fight terrorism and safe the country" is nothing but nonsense, isn't it?

And how is Wiretapping, HLS act, Patriot act and the MC-Act related to the new, "improved security" that "avoided dozens of attacks on US soil" since 9/11? :confused:
 
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About the "go ahead":

Quote:
Mr Clarke said he checked with FBI officials, who gave the go ahead. "So I said: ‘Fine, let it happen.’"

He first asked the bureau to check that no-one "inappropriate" was leaving.
"I have no idea if they did a good job," he added.




http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/in...m?id=971322003

And here's my evidence - Take your time to study it:
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf

The most prominent of these mentioned a possible plot to fly an explosives-laden aircraft into a U.S. city. This report, circulated in September 1998, originated from a source who had walked into an American consulate in East Asia. In August of the same year, the intelligence community had received information that a group of Libyans hoped to crash a plane into the World Trade Center.


This is Tenet's view about the threat level:



This is Clarke's view about the "Bush laziness":
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=8142285767776807556&autoplay=1

John O'Neill - the #1 expert on AQ who died in the towers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_P._O'Neill
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/view/

More? :confused:
 
Of course not.

If there are multiple sects of Judaism then surely you must acknowledge that there are multiple sects of creationism.

One could no easier reject them all, than they could all Semites.
What does this argument have to do about whether Jewish sects reject creationism? I gave you evidence, from the websites of the sects themselves that they embrace Darwinian evolution, not merely microevolution. That is a rejection of creationism in all its forms. You challenged me on my statement that a majority of Jewish sects reject and I provided you evidence.

I do not understand the basis for you rejecting the evidence that supports the claim I made.

My question was about your theory, not modern physics.
My theory is based on modern physics. I have no desire to engage in a discussion with someone about such a complex topic, if he can't even acknowledge the evidence I already provided that most Jewish sects have rejected creationism. Are you will to acknowledge the evidence I provided you on that issue?
 
I made this comparison in another thread but it fits in here, too.

3000 People died on 9/11 and this event is 2089 days ago:
3000 : 2089 = 1.4

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Now compare and explain why anyone should be afraid about Terrorism or believe any fear-mongering at all:

1.4 people per day die in America because of terrorism since 9/11.

8 young people a day die in alcohol-related crashes. (CSAP, 1996)

[SIZE=-1]115 persons die each day in motor vehicle crashes in the United States

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12,000 children around the globe die per day because starvation.
 
Now compare and explain why anyone should be afraid about Terrorism or believe any fear-mongering at all
Nobody should believe in fear-mongering, just like bnobody should believe your specious comparisons.

How much money is American society spending to prevent auto accidents?
How effective are such expenditures?

If you don't know then your comparison is meaningless.

It's particularly meaningless to compare domestic stats with worldwide starvation stats.

Since Oliver appears ot have me on ignore (as evidenced by his assiduous refusal to answer my questions), this post is intended for those who might be lurking.
 
Nobody should believe in fear-mongering, just like bnobody should believe your specious comparisons.

How much money is American society spending to prevent auto accidents?
How effective are such expenditures?

If you don't know then your comparison is meaningless.

It's particularly meaningless to compare domestic stats with worldwide starvation stats.

Since Oliver appears ot have me on ignore (as evidenced by his assiduous refusal to answer my questions), this post is intended for those who might be lurking.


"How much money is American society spending to prevent auto accidents?
How effective are such expenditures?"

Replace "auto accidents" with the word, Terrorism, and I think you will find that these statistics are very relevant to his arguement.
 
Nobody should believe in fear-mongering, just like bnobody should believe your specious comparisons.

How much money is American society spending to prevent auto accidents?
How effective are such expenditures?

If you don't know then your comparison is meaningless.

It's particularly meaningless to compare domestic stats with worldwide starvation stats.

Since Oliver appears ot have me on ignore (as evidenced by his assiduous refusal to answer my questions), this post is intended for those who might be lurking.


Hi Lurkers. :D


Oh, do you really spend 1 Trillion per year to avoid car accidents which are 80 times more dangerous than terrorists?

How about a new slogan: "War on Cars!". Doesn't work for political propaganda, does it? :boggled:
 
I made this comparison in another thread but it fits in here, too.

3000 People died on 9/11 and this event is 2089 days ago:
3000 : 2089 = 1.4

foiled terror attacks since 2001:

Probably the biggest one, a plot to simultaneously blow up 10 planes: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/10/AR2006081000152.html

10 plots in the US: http://cnn.websites-blog.com/2006/US/02/09/whitehouse.plots/index.html

G8 terror attack foiled: http://www.guardian.co.uk/germany/article/0,,2076285,00.html

In Singapore:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_embassies_attack_plot

intelligence about dirty bomb and nuclear threats: http://politics.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,1947295,00.html

plot foiled in Germany: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_German_train_bombing

Busted terror cells in Canada:
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=de3f8e90-982a-47af-8e5e-a1366fd5d6cc&k=46849
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=aa8696a1-5a53-40ca-868a-3c8f6009581c

Just to give you an sample. I’m sure there are many more of these in many other countries.

plots that unfortunately did work since 2001:

In England:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings

In Singapore:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_embassies_attack_plot

In Spain:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11_March_2004_Madrid_attacks

In Indonesia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Bali_bombing

In Jordan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Amman_bombings

In Tunisia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghriba_Synagogue_Attack

In the Philipines:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rizal_Day_Bombings

In Morocco:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3035803.stm

In Gibraltar:
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/08/05/uk.terror.shipping/index.html

In Kenya:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenyan_hotel_bombing

In Saudi Arabia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riyadh_Compound_Bombings

In Istambul:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Istanbul_bombings

In Egypt:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Sharm_el-Sheikh_attacks

In Algeria:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Algiers_bombings

oil tanker bombing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limburg_tanker_bombing


Just a few I found with a really quick search...

This is not fear mongering, it’s reality. Stop diminishing the threat of terrorism.
 
What does this argument have to do about whether Jewish sects reject creationism? I gave you evidence, from the websites of the sects themselves that they embrace Darwinian evolution, not merely microevolution. That is a rejection of creationism in all its forms. You challenged me on my statement that a majority of Jewish sects reject and I provided you evidence.

I do not understand the basis for you rejecting the evidence that supports the claim I made.


My theory is based on modern physics. I have no desire to engage in a discussion with someone about such a complex topic, if he can't even acknowledge the evidence I already provided that most Jewish sects have rejected creationism. Are you will to acknowledge the evidence I provided you on that issue?

How are any of those links proof of your statement?:confused:

Unless you gave the wrong links. You are really stretching it to say anything that I read there is "rejection of creationism".

You seem to be grasping straws to substantiate your lone "Physical Creation Theory".

But this is not surprising as your theory seems, too complicated to go into detail about.
 
Oh, do you really spend 1 Trillion per year to avoid car accidents which are 80 times more dangerous than terrorists?
Yes. Yes we do. I really wish people would stop assuming we don't. THe amount of money spent trying to get people not to drive drunk is staggering, though it is offset somewhat by the amount we collect in fines from people convicted of drunk driving and by taxes placed on alcohol with the intent of curbing consumption (and thus, drunk driving).

If we could tax terrorists to fund the War on Terror, I'm sure we would.
 
How are any of those links proof of your statement?:confused:
Each of the links stated that the movements state that the Biblical creation story is not literally true and that Darwinian evolution (as opposed to Intelligent Design or merely microevolution) should be taught in biology classes.

If a rejection of the literal truth of the creation story in Genesis is not a rejection of creationism I don't know what is.

But this is not surprising as your theory seems, too complicated to go into detail about.
Certainly to go into to detail with someone who refuses to acknowledge the plain truth about Jewish beliefs vis-a-vis evolutionary theory.
 

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