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Libertarian Hero Ron Paul Blames US for 9/11

mr rosewater said:
By Oliver -Well? Tell me your view of the historical events that ended the crisis.

An overwhelming show of military force, nothing friendly about it.
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That's wrong:

The Soviets withdrew 42 missiles and 42 long-range bombers as well as 5,000 troops.

American intermediate-range Jupiter missiles were withdrawn from Turkey and Italy.

See? An agreement ... and a friendly one.
 
Pardalis said:
That's not what you said. Can't you read your own words?
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What are you talking about? Al Qaida or Cold War?
The Cold War propaganda was exaggerated. So is the Al Qaida threat. And they don't even have one single nuclear warhead in contrast to the Soviets. :boggled:

So where is your threat? I should be scared to death with all the Muslims living here... :rolleyes:
 
Oliver said:
What are you talking about?
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I'm talking about what you say.

Al Qaida or Cold War?
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You tell me, you're the one confusing the two issues.

The Cold War propaganda was exaggerated. So is the Al Qaida threat. And they don't even have one single nuclear warhead in contrast to the Soviets.
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You're the one who brought up the Soviets into the discussion.

So where is your threat? I should be scared to death with all the Muslims living here...
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You're the one saying that there is no threat.

9/11, London, Madrid, Bali, Kenya....

There is a threat. Maybe it's not worldwide and imminent, but it is there.
 
Pardalis said:
I'm talking about what you say.

You tell me, you're the one confusing the two issues.

You're the one who brought up the Soviets into the discussion.

You're the one saying that there is no threat.

9/11, London, Madrid, Bali, Kenya....

There is a threat. Maybe it's not worldwide and imminent, but it is there.
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You must be kidding, Pardalis. You seriously bring up "NY, London, Madrid, Bali, Kenya...." and declare it as global threat?

Would you mind to be neutral for one second and imagine you were a member of a non-Us-Friendly country? :

Since World War II, the United States actually dropped bombs on 23 countries. These include: China 1945-46, Korea 1950-53, China 1950-53, Guatemala 1954, Indonesia 1958, Cuba 1959-60, Guatemala 1960, Congo 1964, Peru 1965, Laos 1964-73, Vietnam 1961-73, Cambodia 1969-70, Guatemala 1967-69, Grenada 1983, Lebanon 1984, Libya 1986, El Salvador 1980s, Nicaragua 1980s, Panama 1989, Iraq 1991-1999, Sudan 1998, Afghanistan 1998, and Yugoslavia 1999.

Post World War II, the United States has also assisted in over 20 different coups throughout the world, and the CIA was responsible for half a dozen assassinations of political heads of state.
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Plus:

Argentina - 1890
Chile - 1891
Haiti - 1891
Hawaii - 1893
Nicaragua - 1894
China - 1894-95
Korea - 1894-96
Panama - 1895
China - 1894-1900
Philippines - 1898-1910
Cuba - 1898-1902
Puerto Rico - 1898
Nicaragua - 1898
Samoa - 1899
Panama - 1901-14
Honduras - 1903
Korea - 1904-05
Cuba - 1906-09
Nicaragua - 1907
Honduras - 1907
Panama - 1908
Nicaragua - 1910
Honduras - 1911
China - 1911-41
Cuba - 1912
Panama - 1912
Honduras - 1912
Nicaragua - 1912-33
Mexico - 1913
Dominican Rep 1914
Mexico - 1914-18
Haiti - 1914-34
Dominican Rep 1916-24
Cuba - 1917-33
World War I - 1917-18
Russia - 1918-22
Honduras - 1919
Guatemala - 1920
Turkey - 1922
China - 1922-27
Honduras - 1924-25
Panama - 1925
China - 1927-34
El Salvador - 1932
World War II - 1941-45
Yugoslavia - 1946
Uruguay - 1947
Greece - 1947-49
Germany - 1948
Philippines - 1948-54
Puerto Rico - 1950
Korean War - 1951-53
Iran - 1953
Vietnam - 1954
Guatemala - 1954
Egypt - 1956
Lebanon - 1958
Panama - 1958
Vietnam - 1950s-75
Cuba - 1961
Cuba - 1962
Laos - 1962
Panama - 1964
Indonesia - 1965
Dominican Rep- 1965-66
Guatemala - 1966-67
Cambodia - 1969-75
Oman - 1970
Laos - 1971-75
Chile - 1973
Cambodia - 1975
Angola - 1976-92
Iran - 1980
Libya - 1981
El Salvador - 1981-92
Nicaragua - 1981-90
Lebanon - 1982-84
Honduras - 1983-89
Grenada - 1983-84
Iran - 1984
Libya - 1986
Bolivia - 1986
Iran - 1987-88
Libya - 1989
Virgin Islands - 1989
Philippines - 1989
Panama - 1989-90
Liberia - 1990
Saudi Arabia - 1990-91
Kuwait - 1991
Somalia - 1992-94
Bosnia - 1993-95
Haiti - 1994-96
Zaire - 1996-97
Albania - 1997
Sudan - 1998
Afghanistan - 1998
Yugoslavia - 1999
Iraq - 1998-2001

So tell me: Who the F*** is actually casting the stones around??? Your imaginary global Al Qaida Conspiracy??? :confused: :boggled:
 
Germany 1914-1918 and 1939-1945

Millions and millions of people dead.

Enough of this madness. Good day Ollie.
 
Oliver said:
You must be kidding, Pardalis. You seriously bring up "NY, London, Madrid, Bali, Kenya...." and declare it as global threat?

Would you mind to be neutral for one second and imagine you were a member of a non-Us-Friendly country? :

Plus:

Argentina - 1890
Chile - 1891
Haiti - 1891
Hawaii - 1893
Nicaragua - 1894
China - 1894-95
Korea - 1894-96
Panama - 1895
China - 1894-1900
Philippines - 1898-1910
Cuba - 1898-1902
Puerto Rico - 1898
Nicaragua - 1898
Samoa - 1899
Panama - 1901-14
Honduras - 1903
Korea - 1904-05
Cuba - 1906-09
Nicaragua - 1907
Honduras - 1907
Panama - 1908
Nicaragua - 1910
Honduras - 1911
China - 1911-41
Cuba - 1912
Panama - 1912
Honduras - 1912
Nicaragua - 1912-33
Mexico - 1913
Dominican Rep 1914
Mexico - 1914-18
Haiti - 1914-34
Dominican Rep 1916-24
Cuba - 1917-33
World War I - 1917-18
Russia - 1918-22
Honduras - 1919
Guatemala - 1920
Turkey - 1922
China - 1922-27
Honduras - 1924-25
Panama - 1925
China - 1927-34
El Salvador - 1932
World War II - 1941-45
Yugoslavia - 1946
Uruguay - 1947
Greece - 1947-49
Germany - 1948
Philippines - 1948-54
Puerto Rico - 1950
Korean War - 1951-53
Iran - 1953
Vietnam - 1954
Guatemala - 1954
Egypt - 1956
Lebanon - 1958
Panama - 1958
Vietnam - 1950s-75
Cuba - 1961
Cuba - 1962
Laos - 1962
Panama - 1964
Indonesia - 1965
Dominican Rep- 1965-66
Guatemala - 1966-67
Cambodia - 1969-75
Oman - 1970
Laos - 1971-75
Chile - 1973
Cambodia - 1975
Angola - 1976-92
Iran - 1980
Libya - 1981
El Salvador - 1981-92
Nicaragua - 1981-90
Lebanon - 1982-84
Honduras - 1983-89
Grenada - 1983-84
Iran - 1984
Libya - 1986
Bolivia - 1986
Iran - 1987-88
Libya - 1989
Virgin Islands - 1989
Philippines - 1989
Panama - 1989-90
Liberia - 1990
Saudi Arabia - 1990-91
Kuwait - 1991
Somalia - 1992-94
Bosnia - 1993-95
Haiti - 1994-96
Zaire - 1996-97
Albania - 1997
Sudan - 1998
Afghanistan - 1998
Yugoslavia - 1999
Iraq - 1998-2001

So tell me: Who the F*** is actually casting the stones around??? Your imaginary global Al Qaida Conspiracy??? :confused: :boggled:
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How many countries are there that you can't come up with a similar list for?
 
Pardalis said:
Germany 1914-1918 and 1939-1945

Millions and millions of people dead.

Enough of this madness. Good day Ollie.
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Dodging, eh?

Running away does not help you to ignore the ugly sides of the World we're living in. And especially it doesn't change anything if you choose to look away. :boggled:
 
Skibum said:
How many countries are there that you can't come up with a similar list for?
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Give it a try. Find a country that fought so many fights. And explain to me what all these military interventions are about?

Argentina - 1890
Chile - 1891
Haiti - 1891
Hawaii - 1893
Nicaragua - 1894
China - 1894-95
Korea - 1894-96
Panama - 1895
China - 1894-1900
Philippines - 1898-1910
Cuba - 1898-1902
Puerto Rico - 1898
Nicaragua - 1898
Samoa - 1899
Panama - 1901-14
Honduras - 1903
Korea - 1904-05
Cuba - 1906-09
Nicaragua - 1907
Honduras - 1907
Panama - 1908
Nicaragua - 1910
Honduras - 1911
China - 1911-41
Cuba - 1912
Panama - 1912
Honduras - 1912
Nicaragua - 1912-33
Mexico - 1913
Dominican Rep 1914
Mexico - 1914-18
Haiti - 1914-34
Dominican Rep 1916-24
Cuba - 1917-33
World War I - 1917-18
Russia - 1918-22
Honduras - 1919
Guatemala - 1920
Turkey - 1922
China - 1922-27
Honduras - 1924-25
Panama - 1925
China - 1927-34
El Salvador - 1932
World War II - 1941-45
Yugoslavia - 1946
Uruguay - 1947
Greece - 1947-49
Germany - 1948
Philippines - 1948-54
Puerto Rico - 1950
Korean War - 1951-53
Iran - 1953
Vietnam - 1954
Guatemala - 1954
Egypt - 1956
Lebanon - 1958
Panama - 1958
Vietnam - 1950s-75
Cuba - 1961
Cuba - 1962
Laos - 1962
Panama - 1964
Indonesia - 1965
Dominican Rep- 1965-66
Guatemala - 1966-67
Cambodia - 1969-75
Oman - 1970
Laos - 1971-75
Chile - 1973
Cambodia - 1975
Angola - 1976-92
Iran - 1980
Libya - 1981
El Salvador - 1981-92
Nicaragua - 1981-90
Lebanon - 1982-84
Honduras - 1983-89
Grenada - 1983-84
Iran - 1984
Libya - 1986
Bolivia - 1986
Iran - 1987-88
Libya - 1989
Virgin Islands - 1989
Philippines - 1989
Panama - 1989-90
Liberia - 1990
Saudi Arabia - 1990-91
Kuwait - 1991
Somalia - 1992-94
Bosnia - 1993-95
Haiti - 1994-96
Zaire - 1996-97
Albania - 1997
Sudan - 1998
Afghanistan - 1998
Yugoslavia - 1999
Iraq - 1998-2001
 
Oliver said:
Dodging, eh?
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Remember that Germany is a much, much older country than the US.

I'm sure if we can find interesting murderous statistics about your country.

Running away does not help you to ignore the ugly sides of the World we're living in.
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THE WORLD WE'RE LIVING IN? 1890? 1920? 1950?

GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK.

And especially it doesn't change anything if you choose to look away. :boggled:
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And dismissing islamic terrorism is as stupid and insane.

Goodbye.
 
WildCat said:
Seconded.
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Pardalis said:
Remember that Germany is a much, much older country than the US.

I'm sure if we can find interesting murderous statistics about your country.

THE WORLD WE'RE LIVING IN? 1890? 1920? 1950?
GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK.

And dismissing islamic terrorism is as stupid and insane.

Goodbye.
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You can whine all day long. While I agree about WW2 doesn't mean that I agree with invading, manipulating, replacing Leaders in general without actual threats.

And there is no global threat from Muslims who want to bomb Vancouver, really! :rolleyes:
 
Oliver said:
And explain to me what all these military interventions are about?
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Why don't you just read the web page you copied them from then learn the history behind them.

Here's where your list is apparently from...

http://www.kominf.pp.fi/4extra.html


ARGENTINA 1890 Troops Buenos Aires interests protected. ????? Whoop de freaking doo

HAITI 1891 Troops Black workers revolt on U.S.-claimed Navassa Island defeated. Okay whatever.


Seems like a rather zealous list of mostly unworthy mentions.
 
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Pardalis said:
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=aa8696a1-5a53-40ca-868a-3c8f6009581c
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=de3f8e90-982a-47af-8e5e-a1366fd5d6cc&k=46849

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburg_Cell
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And? What is this supposed to mean?

Oh wait, there are "50 radical Neonazis in Germany", "10 in Calgary", "40 in the US" and "35 in Iran"...

...IT'S A GLOBAL TERRORNETWORK AGAINST THE JEWS!!!11!!!OMG!!11!!! :boggled:
I guess you're the Truther, Pardalis. But I like you nevertheless. :)
 
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