*split* Lyte's proof that the Lloyd England's experience is false

But none of these arguments really matter.. the main question is, what the hell do you think happened instead of Lloyd's account Lyte? He stopped his car in the middle of the highway during rush hour, punched a hole in his window then chainsawed down a lampost?

And nobody noticed. nobody noticed. Over 10 people saw a plane smack off lamposts. That is what they noticed.

Isn't that a bit more "impossible" then a car not getting many scars?
 
Lyte Trip said:
Dude.

What are you doing?

Stop it please.

I thought you said you were putting me on ignore.

Keep your phallic fantasies to yourself.
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Lyte:

you said you didnt get the joke so I was pointing you to a picture (a harmless one) that makes the joke more clear to your tiny brain.

I am a 36 year old physician, so I am quite comfortable with not only my own heterosexuality, but others homosexuality...don't worry about me, I am fine. there are no fantasies...funny that everybody here but you got the reference I pointed out...

As for putting you on ignore...never...I am keeping a close eye on your shaite...waiting to hear from the authorities on your earth shattering/warrant provoking discovery.

I did miss counting yesterday, Day #9...Today is Day #10 Lyte.

TAM;)
 
The only thing I can think of that's worse than what that poor man went through that day is 5 years after the fact some arrogant armchair 'investigator' accusing him of lying about it.
 
twinstead said:
The only thing I can think of that's worse than what that poor man went through that day is 5 years after the fact some arrogant armchair 'investigator' accusing him of lying about it.
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You would have at least thought that if someone has a "smoking gun" that the conspiracy is revealed, they would at least find out what really happened to Lloyd, rather than claiming he was fooled, threatened or made up the entire incident. Or have the guts to say this to his face than abusing the welcome he extended to them by letting them into his home.

Lyte, how about the physical impossibility of a plane surviving a massive explosion just feet under it? Done any see-saw diagrams for that?
 
Lyte Trip said:
The roof collapsed at 9:57 so in less than 19 minutes after a major catastrophe of these proportions after he barely escaped death we're supposed to believe that Lloyd figured he'd better hurry up and try removing the pole himself!

Even if it wasn't a major world wide catastrophe would ANY ONE OF YOU attempt to remove a big long heavy light pole that was lodged in your car within minutes after a major accident?

Wouldn't you just wait for the police and let them deal with it?
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What I would do in those circumstances is irrelevant, really.

I met Lloyd. He is a small rather frail old man. Even with help I can't imagine him removing that pole in ANY circumstances.
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I'm sorry about that.

AND the hood was never even scratched as he removed the pole and while he fell down doing it!
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And ?

Will at least ONE of you put your critical thinking caps on for a moment and admit how absurd this all is?
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Here you're assuming your conclusion with this question.
 
Undesired Walrus said:
You would have at least thought that if someone has a "smoking gun" that the conspiracy is revealed, they would at least find out what really happened to Lloyd, rather than claiming he was fooled, threatened or made up the entire incident.
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Of course not. If Lyte did that, it'd be far harder for him to weasel out of his statements when pressed.
 
Has anyone from "our camp" interviewed\emailed\talked to any of the folks that Lyte is using as eyewitnesses?
 
Lyte Trip said:
First of all this isn't very plausible because a significant amount of the top of the pole would have to be lodged through the frame of the car behind the back seat in order for this to work.

I suppose it's hypothetically possible. But it's not possible in reality when you consider the facts.

So pretty much the entire curve would have to be lodged in the car for your scenario to work.
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Uh, no. The end of the pole would most likely have been lodged under the rear bench seat. You would have part of the pole on the dash and the rest jammed up uner the back seat.

Lyte said:
He says he personally REMOVED the pole with help from a silent stranger but that he FELL DOWN in the process of removing it because he didn't know the top end was curved.

He made no mention of it being difficult to remove because it was lodged in the car.
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So, the stranger grabs it to relieve end on the far side and makes it easier to pull out? Did you ask him how they pulled it out?

!Lyte" said:
And here is Lloyd on the street with the pole removed already. But look at the roof line of the Pentagon:


It's still intact!

The roof collapsed at 9:57 so in less than 19 minutes after a major catastrophe of these proportions after he barely escaped death we're supposed to believe that Lloyd figured he'd better hurry up and try removing the pole himself!

Even if it wasn't a major world wide catastrophe would ANY ONE OF YOU attempt to remove a big long heavy light pole that was lodged in your car within minutes after a major accident?

Wouldn't you just wait for the police and let them deal with it?
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Maybe because he could see the Pentagon on fire and was scared. Maybe he wanted to just get the hell outof there.

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Lyte said:
Plus imagine how hard it would be to remove a pole that was lodged in the frame of the car so much that the light top end supported the heavy long base end being suspended in mid-air over the hood!

AND the hood was never even scratched as he removed the pole and while he fell down doing it!


Will at least ONE of you put your critical thinking caps on for a moment and admit how absurd this all is?
:confused:
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I addressed how they might have gotten it out earlier. Where was LLoyd when he pulled the pole out? You want people here to comment on something you find absurd when your WHOLE theory is absurd?
 
twinstead said:
The only thing I can think of that's worse than what that poor man went through that day is 5 years after the fact some arrogant armchair 'investigator' accusing him of lying about it.
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And especially an armchair "investigator" who has never, ever seen a track meet--particularly the javelin event.
It is obvious that the events are rigged, because ther is no way that 6' long spear could go at an angle into the ground, with no other part touching the ground, and stay upright at an angle with only 3 inches of it actually in the ground holding it up...
 
Undesired Walrus said:
I've just listened to your pre-interview... how dare you be like this to such a broken man? You are just hounding him, hounding him. Are you the police? I'm glad to say, I can tell lloyd things you are a complete tool.
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Since of course it was actually Russell Pickering asking the questions you can forward this personal attack to him.

Funny how he prides himself on not "grilling" witnesses and even made a specific comment about how he refused to do that in his original phone interview with Lloyd:

I do not "grill" people. I am interested in their subjective experience. I have a high degree of respect for people in general and am sharing this to show one person's view of this event. I don't record my interviews. I take good notes.
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Of course his original unrecorded phone interview that he is talking about is what he used to spread the disinfo about Lloyd claiming it was the small top piece of the pole that smashed through his windshield.

Glad Lloyd was able to clear that up for us.

Now even Russell admits his account is impossible.
 
Undesired Walrus said:
But none of these arguments really matter.. the main question is, what the hell do you think happened instead of Lloyd's account Lyte? He stopped his car in the middle of the highway during rush hour, punched a hole in his window then chainsawed down a lampost?

And nobody noticed. nobody noticed. Over 10 people saw a plane smack off lamposts. That is what they noticed.

Isn't that a bit more "impossible" then a car not getting many scars?
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Since of course this has nothing to do with our hypothesis this is what you would call a strawman.

We do not suggest that Lloyd himself staged the damage.
 
T.A.M. said:
Lyte:

you said you didnt get the joke so I was pointing you to a picture (a harmless one) that makes the joke more clear to your tiny brain.

I am a 36 year old physician, so I am quite comfortable with not only my own heterosexuality, but others homosexuality...don't worry about me, I am fine. there are no fantasies...funny that everybody here but you got the reference I pointed out...
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Joke?

Now it was a joke?

So are you saying that you don't really see any phallic imagery in that cartoon and that you were simply joking?

You're right I don't get it.
 
rwguinn said:
It is obvious that the events are rigged, because ther is no way that 6' long spear could go at an angle into the ground, with no other part touching the ground, and stay upright at an angle with only 3 inches of it actually in the ground holding it up...
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Now, you're supposed to say, "My javelin analogy renders calculations moot."
 
twinstead said:
The only thing I can think of that's worse than what that poor man went through that day is 5 years after the fact some arrogant armchair 'investigator' accusing him of lying about it.
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We went there to find the facts.

We were not sitting in our chairs anonymously calling people names like you are.

Our research is based on facts brought back from the scene.

Everyone was guessing about Lloyd's story and we brought back the story as told by Lloyd himself and examined the same style light poles at the VDOT.

Funny how you consider that "armchair" investigating.
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Horatius said:
Now, you're supposed to say, "My javelin analogy renders calculations moot."
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No it's simply irrelevant.

The light pole is nothing like a flexible javelin and the car is nothing like the permeable ground.

The arch with which a javelin is thrown would be NOTHING like the force with which the pole would have been hit by a 757.

Ridiculous.
 
Lyte Trip said:
Since of course this has nothing to do with our hypothesis this is what you would call a strawman.

We do not suggest that Lloyd himself staged the damage.
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Oh! So now you just admit he was lying?

Either you

A: Come up with a plausible, humanly possible way for Lloyd England's taxi cab to be damaged, without use of a pole, in the middle of the highway, with nobody noticing,

or

B: You drop all of this and admit you are just plainly wrong.

Which one would serve you better in the long run?
 
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