Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

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Too human looking to get shot by a hunter?

Bigfooters will also commonly make references to getting shot if someone hoaxes a Bigfoot. You hear about how foolish it would be to wear a Bigfoot costume in the wilds. On the one hand real Bigfoots don't get shot; and on the other hand anybody in a Bigfoot suit is likely to get shot. Huh?
 
There does at times seem be a fundamental barrier in discussing these topics. It’s as though a private rule set of logic is being used, most of the time I see it infuriating a lot of people, for me it can be quite sad, knowing that this perspective probably makes for a difficult life almost a guaranteed method to stay insulated from others and/or hold an authoritarian dogmatic position over others, it truly doesn’t matter what the facts are.

BF skeptics and many BF believers may overlook a special kind of "believer". This is someone who really does not believe BF exists, but pretends to believe it. It is not necessary to truly believe in BF in order to fool others into thinking you do believe and to add to the myth that it does exist.

Roger Patterson did not have to truly believe in the existence of BF in order to pretend to be a BF hunter and filmer. One could even say that he made his fake Bigfoot film with the full confidence that a real Bigfoot would not be found or filmed again. Matt Moneymaker, Tom Biscardi & Todd Standing are all like modern-day Pattersons. They are attempting to make income by promoting the belief of Bigfoot in others who will pay them. They don't have to believe it themselves.
 
Think of the number of people who have been killed in hunting accidents.

Also, consider the number of bears shot and killed in the history of North America. Indeed, the grizzly was pushed into endangered status as a result of how many were killed. But with all that hunting going on, never once was a Sasquatch misidentified as a bear and subsequently shot and killed.

Frankly, I think that the popularity of the Patterson film has caused people to unconsciously think that Bigfoot is always on the move. It's not unreasonable to suppose that the Sasquatch might be like the gorilla, who spends a lot of time just lying around, or lying around eating. A recumbent Sasquatch would probably resemble a bear quite closely.

For further evidence of this, just take a look through the BFRO database. Several Bigfoot sightings were submitted by individuals out bear hunting...
 
Too human looking to get shot by a hunter?

Bigfooters will also commonly make references to getting shot if someone hoaxes a Bigfoot. You hear about how foolish it would be to wear a Bigfoot costume in the wilds. On the one hand real Bigfoots don't get shot; and on the other hand anybody in a Bigfoot suit is likely to get shot. Huh?

That is a great observation that could have been injected into many conversations over at BFF.

I'll be watching for the opportunity.. Mind if I use this ?
 
That is a great observation that could have been injected into many conversations over at BFF. I'll be watching for the opportunity.. Mind if I use this ?

Of course you can use it. You don't have to ask permission for these things.

Cryptomundo is becoming ground zero for extreme BF belief. Some dude called "DWA" is their Bigfoot woo blowhard. He's amazingly prolific, to the point of being excessively participatory. He laid a golden egg today...

DWA on Cryptomundo said:
Much of the (Bigfoot) skeptical argument is clutching at straws. Their main problem is focusing on a few pieces of questionable evidence, rather than truly considering the full body of the evidence.
 
Cryptomundo is becoming ground zero for extreme BF belief. Some dude called "DWA" is their Bigfoot woo blowhard. He's amazingly prolific, to the point of being excessively participatory. He laid a golden egg today...
Much of the (Bigfoot) skeptical argument is clutching at straws. Their main problem is focusing on a few pieces of questionable evidence, rather than truly considering the full body of the evidence.
Surely DWA would come and tell us if he only knew of this obscure corner where we discuss such things. Surely such an invitation to weak coffee would leave us speechless. I could only clutch at a straw to consume it.
 
If one takes the example of alledged finger bending in the PGF and skeptics offering mundane possibilities to account for this claim we see something rather amusing. In this case the proponent who challenges skeptics to account for this alledgedly obvious feature then proceeds to mock what is suggested yet seems to miss the myriad of ridiculous speculations put forth by footers to account for all the ways which bigfoot eludes identification. They do this with obvious delight which seems to cause them to forget that on the one hand they're talking about a rather irrelevant suggestion concerning the PGF and the fact there is no reliable evidence for bigfoot on the other. In such desperation to grasp at anything to quibble about with skeptics they just lose perspective completely.

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Well, maybe bigfoot lies in the details... But only in the cherry-picked details.

Like "soil from Onion Mountains has not produced dissecation ridges"...

Or "if the fingers move and the arms are too long, then Patty has to be a bigfoot and not a suit"...

What I am actually interested these days are the workings of the believer's minds and their communities.

For example, most of them say there's a difference between skeptics and scoffics (for some others, its the same). Where they draw the line? I understand most of the pro-bigfoot posters consider JREF forumnites as scoffics, denialists, etc. What I see here, however, is carefull checking and discussion of claims, evidence and reasonings. As soon as the proponent notices his/hers points are being challenged, quite often the "denialist" or "scoffic" labelss pop up. Its fairly safe to say, I think, that here usually mocking comes only after the pro-bigfoot folks start with ad homs, evasions, obfuscations, etc.

So, where they draw the line between a skeptic and a scoffic? My impression is that they consider a scoffic or denialist anyone who dissecates their claims/evidence/reasonings and comes to the conclusion that bigfeet are most likely nothing but a myth. Those who just say "there are no evidence proving bigfeet are real" are the skeptics in their minds, since this sort of declaration may be understood as giving more room for their claim actually being real.
 
Originally Posted by DWA on Cryptomundo
Much of the (Bigfoot) skeptical argument is clutching at straws. Their main problem is focusing on a few pieces of questionable evidence, rather than truly considering the full body of the evidence.

WTF ?

As opposed to focusing on the unquestionable evidence ?

Which would be.................?



Chirp, chirp ...



I may just have to go over there and make that observation ...
 
If you do so, Greg, would you mind passing along a message to DWA for me? Please tell him that I have a lovely sweater that our friends and I here have knit for him and would like to give to him on the condition that if he accepts it he can not pull at all the loose threads hanging about it as it will quickly fall apart.
 
As opposed to focusing on the unquestionable evidence ?

Which would be.................?

No, no and NO, Dio. You don't get it ? Sweaty put it brilliantly, in one of his posts.

The sheer volume of questionable evidence makes for reliable evidence, as the admittedly low percentage of "probability" of real bigfoots existing that each piece of individual, questionable evidence gives is ADDED to give us a sum total of overwhelmingly obvious, factual certainty of bigfoot's existence.
 
What I am actually interested these days are the workings of the believer's minds and their communities.

For example, most of them say there's a difference between skeptics and scoffics (for some others, its the same). Where they draw the line?
I'm right there with you on that, Correa. I find it of great interest to observe how bigfootery perpetuates itself in lieu of any manner of reliable evidence.

As for skeptics vs scoftics, you're right. It's basically ok to say to a footer that you don't think BF exists but if you show them why and how their case is flawed then you're scoffing.

Here's the last couple pages of a discussion at Melissa's board in which Lyndon/carcharodon and Salami have some trouble grasping the issue until receiving some admin encouragement.

http://searchforbigfoot.org/index.php?showtopic=176&st=80
 
""Here's the last couple pages of a discussion at Melissa's board in which Lyndon/carcharodon and Salami have some trouble grasping the issue until receiving some admin encouragement.""

F*****' hell snitch, you don't half hold a grudge you small time weasel. I haven't even been posting here for months but you sure know when you have been beaten in a debate
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Nobody 'encouraged' anything. And no 'admins' encouraged me (or anybody else) to go soft on
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like you.

Do not use alternate spelling to get around the auto-censor and do not use insults to argue your point.
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""Here's the last couple pages of a discussion at Melissa's board in which Lyndon/carcharodon and Salami have some trouble grasping the issue until receiving some admin encouragement.""

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, you don't half hold a grudge you
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. I haven't even been posting here for months but you sure know when you have been beaten in a debate you pathetic faggot.:rolleyes:

Nobody 'encouraged' anything. And no 'admins' encouraged me (or anybody else) to go soft on knobheads like you.
Nice. I'm just going to quote that for posterity.
 
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Nobody 'encouraged' anything. And no 'admins' encouraged me (or anybody else) to go soft on
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like you.
Months? March 22nd was your last post. Now then, disregarding that fantastic spaz you know your opinion on the matter is of no relevance, right? I've simply provided the link to the conversation, allowing others to observe for themselves. Have I altered the thread in anyway? Lyndon, you do a far better job of discrediting yourself than I ever could.

Here are the last to posts in this thread addressed to you which for whatever reasons you chose to ignore:

From me-
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2449853#post2449853

And Correa-
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2448489#post2448489

If you can restrain further verbal violence, by all means, please respond.
 
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Bigfoot needs more outgoing advocates like Carcharodon (Lyndon on BFF & TSFB) and SweatyYeti (was known as Coolfoot on BFF before being banned).

Fightin' the good fight for the Biggie. It is these Bulldog Bigfooters that will turn the tide against the naysayers who do not set foot into the wilderness, let alone have any respect for it. This majestic creature will be driven to extinction before it is even documented. Lyndon and Sweety are trying so hard to turn misguided minds towards the true truth. Can the stupid masses be thoughtfully swayed from their skeptical forum sanctuaries? Are they truly stupid or just unfortunately misled? Must some gentle force be used to persuade their enlightenment ("...you pathetic faggot")? The Lord does detesteth faggots (just as he detests curs who humpeth the leg of their male companions), and so it may be found that suggesting a Lord-level perversion of thought may bring souls towards salvation. When our world reaches nirvana or rapture, the Bigfoots will be known to all and leave confirmatory evidence of their presence wherever they are present. They will not hide themselves. It is there, where our Bigfooter boys are trying to lead us, that the Bigfoot will stride in splendor and not be judged upon his distasteful appearance nor his odor of rotting flesh.

It is time for Bigfoot. Simple minds shall be fodder for Satan. Bigfoot will rise if we will only listen to the knowers. The footprints show where he has been. Know this.
 
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BTW, Lyndon is also is on cryptomundo on the same handle as you can see in the link a little above that LTC provided to the conversation concerning Patterson's illustration of a female bigfoot in his book a year prior to his film. He didn't think much of it, of course.

I'm sure by 'pathetic faggot' he meant a paltry cord of wood for the fire. Otherwise, I might surmise something to the effect of 'oops' when the alcohol wears off and he has a sober look at that proponent groan inducing post.
 
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