Uri Geller making Youtube pull down James Randi's criticism?

[...]To get it back up, he had to go through a whole process of filling out paperwork, etc. Their policy seems to be "if in doubt, take it down, and let them prove they own it before putting it back up."
Here's what Ms. Seltzer has to say:
I'm left wondering how many other fair users have gone through this process. On Chilling Effects we see many DMCA takedowns, some right and some wrong, but very few counter-notifications. Part of the problem is that the counter-notifier has to swear to much more than the original notifier. While NFL merely had to affirm that it was or was authorized to act on behalf of a rights-holder to take-down, I had to affirm in response that I had "good faith belief that the material was removed or disabled as a result of mistake or misidentification of the material to be removed or disabled." A non-lawyer might be chilled from making that statement, under penalty of perjury, even with a strong good faith belief.
This is why I was hoping for the JREF to post the videos. The person that did post the videos probably falls under the chilled non-lawyer category above, like that musician.

I think though, their policy is to abide the DMCA law to the letter. For that, they take-down things at the drop of a hat, but can also put them back (almost) as easily. After that, it's up to a court to decide. This way, they keep their necks out of the gallows.
 
Here's what Ms. Seltzer has to say: This is why I was hoping for the JREF to post the videos. The person that did post the videos probably falls under the chilled non-lawyer category above, like that musician.

I think though, their policy is to abide the DMCA law to the letter. For that, they take-down things at the drop of a hat, but can also put them back (almost) as easily. After that, it's up to a court to decide. This way, they keep their necks out of the gallows.
Has someone sent an email to the JREF to let them know what's up? Or you think they know by now from just the forum?
 
Has someone sent an email to the JREF to let them know what's up? Or you think they know by now from just the forum?
I had thought about it, but I didn't want to bother the fine folks at the JREF or Randi himself as I rather thought someone here would tell me I was just nutso and it wouldn't hold an ounce of legal water, despite my googlings and all.
 
He invented the word "Explorologist."

Speaking of cruel language... "But does anybody every call me anything but a spoon-bender?" Huh?

ETA: http://www.uri-geller.com/jewish/bend.htm (He also has a nice little jab at Randi and the rest of us in this article.)
I've called him lots of things -most of them explanatory of his lineage, his uses of family members and farm animals, comparisons to certain body parts and such - but I never called him a spoonbender or an explurgologist. Honest!!!:D :rolleyes: :jaw-dropp :jaw-dropp :jaw-dropp.
 
I uploaded the video of Randi debunking Uri Geller and Peter Popoff and the video was deleted as soon as the upload was through.
 
OK.. let's see him remove this! It is very much like the one he removed, but this one uses 100% original material.

 
Here's more from the page Kilgore Trout linked to. Geller needs:

A physical or electronic signature of a person authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.

Not a chance Carson Entertainment Group (or NBC, if they own it) would let Geller act on their behalf.

A statement that the information in the notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.

The smoking gun.

He might also have made a big mistake.

If he doesn't hold those copyrights, he perjured himself (or someone acting on behalf of his company, or however that all works).

Ayup.

Has someone sent an email to the JREF to let them know what's up? Or you think they know by now from just the forum?

I'm on it.
 
It seems Geller took a page from the Scientology handbook of silencing critics.
 
Richard: I was thinking of doing the same thing, but the video you made is a bit confusing. Maybe a voice over explaining how the trick is done?

I was considering making a video explaining exactly what is going on. From the disappearance of the videos exposing Geller as a fraud, the owners of Expolrologist Ltd, to the Randi Challenge changing in a week, to how the tricks are done. All with my own text, my own illustrations, my own voice.
 
If you believe that the video was pulled in error, you can contact YouTube and tell them that copyright hasn't been infringed. If Geller is doing this to intimidate, and he doesn't own the copyright, what he's doing is illegal.
 
Geller certainly doesn't own the copyright - which makes it even worse (for him).

He is trying to silence any critical opinion of him.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMCA#Example_of_DMCA_Takedown_Provision

I have a good faith belief that use of the copyrighted materials described above on the infringing web pages is not authorized by my registered copyright and by the law. I swear, under penalty of perjury, that the information in the notification is accurate and that I am the copyright owner of an exclusive right that is infringed.

Uri has now perjured himself, assuming he is not the copyright owner of that video.

eff.org/legal/cases/diehl_v_crook/

Mr. Crook thought he owned all pictures of him. He was very wrong.

Section 512(f) shows the penalties.
wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65173,00.html
is the EFF winning penalties in a case against Diebold claming copyright on some documents, similar to the old Scientology trick.

eff.org/bloggers/lg/faq-ip.php
www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000512----000-.html
(f) Misrepresentations.— Any person who knowingly materially misrepresents under this section— (1) that material or activity is infringing, or
(2) that material or activity was removed or disabled by mistake or misidentification,
shall be liable for any damages, including costs and attorneys’ fees, incurred by the alleged infringer, by any copyright owner or copyright owner’s authorized licensee, or by a service provider, who is injured by such misrepresentation, as the result of the service provider relying upon such misrepresentation in removing or disabling access to the material or activity claimed to be infringing, or in replacing the removed material or ceasing to disable access to it.

Thus, billable time used to take down the information, legal costs, and billable time used researching the issue to defend yourself.

The only issue is finding who owns the copyright on the image. Now, if you were using the video segment under fair use, and then showed and highlighted a part, you may or may not own that segment. I honestly don't know.

However, if one were to construct a long segment with much production, using fair use clips to illustrate a certain person's 'talents', one would certainly be the copyright owner.

Hey, kids! Let's put on a show!
(Insert standard apology about links)

Long, long, longtime lurker, by the way. Just didn't have anything to say until something I was sure I could help with came up.

Edited to add:
In cases such as this where 'we' are third parties to the case, it really is not as effective as being a first party. Standing issues. If you would like Mr. Gellar hoist by his own legal petard, it is best to be a first party.
 
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Here's what Ms. Seltzer has to say: This is why I was hoping for the JREF to post the videos. The person that did post the videos probably falls under the chilled non-lawyer category above, like that musician.

I think though, their policy is to abide the DMCA law to the letter. For that, they take-down things at the drop of a hat, but can also put them back (almost) as easily. After that, it's up to a court to decide. This way, they keep their necks out of the gallows.

In some respects I can see their point of view -- apparently they're being sued by Viacom to the tune of a billion dollars.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0323/p02s02-usju.html


M.
 
OK.. let's see him remove this! It is very much like the one he removed, but this one uses 100% original material.

How about making a video about the videos getting pulled and mention who is behind it and what the videos were.

How about the clips from "Secrets of the Psychics"? Have they been nuked as well?
Yes, the clips that mentioned Geller are all gone.

Has someone sent an email to the JREF to let them know what's up? Or you think they know by now from just the forum?

I sent an email to Randi, but haven't heard back yet.

Just spoke with Randi.

Things will be taken care of.

He hasn't yet replied to my email, but if he needs the full documents of the tax returns/proof have him contact me.
 
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We're dealing with YouTube and the DMCA here, so this might be useful. There is a DMCA Counter-Notification form letter generator here that might also be of use.

The important thing to note here is that if the people who posted the video notify YouTube in good faith that they have not violated copyright, YouTube will put the video back up. The person responsible for posting the video then becomes liable in court if copyright was violated, but Uri would have to take you to court to get the video taken down again.

Uri is abusing the DMCA to intimidate the people exposing him. If Randi takes this fight on, he could definitely get help from Chilling Effects and the Electronic Frontier Foundation. This is precisely the kind of abuse they're concerned about.
 
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We're dealing with YouTube and the DMCA here, so this might be useful. There is a DMCA Counter-Notification form letter generator here that might also be of use.

The important thing to note here is that if the people who posted the video notify YouTube in good faith that they have not violated copyright, YouTube will put the video back up. The person responsible for posting the video then becomes liable in court if copyright was violated, but Uri would have to take you to court to get the video taken down again.

Uri is abusing the DMCA to intimidate the people exposing him. If Randi takes this fight on, he could definitely get help from Chilling Effects and the Electronic Frontier Foundation. This is precisely the kind of abuse they're concerned about.

Yeah, the EFF has had some success in that area.

http://blip.tv/file/169553

M.
 
How about making a video about the videos getting pulled and mention who is behind it and what the videos were.

Good idea, but let's wait a bit until things are clearer.

I sent an email to Randi, but haven't heard back yet.

No worries, he got it. :)

He hasn't yet replied to my email, but if he needs the full documents of the tax returns/proof have him contact me.

Email them to me - I got some stuff for him, too, might as well keep it together.

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