A very interesting video, but not relevant to the question at hand, which is the building of the Great Pyramid -- not Stonehenge. Wally Wallington's ingenious technique of standing a large block upright on the ground does nothing to answer the question of how even larger blocks were raised far above the ground and positioned into place above the King's Chamber.
Great pyramid of Giza -- Could we rebuild it?
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PixyMisa
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Sure. I don't know if that's how they did it, but it's certainly possible. Rope, maybe some logs in the dirt to give an even path, lots of people pushing and pulling.
I've hauled a 100-pound TV in its box up two flights of narrow stairs. Yes, the corners were the hardest part, but it got there.
The ramps would be a lot less steep, so plenty of mechanical advantage. And it's a lot easier with people able to pull and push at the same time, rather than having to climb over the box without letting it slip.
If you have an actual objection to the scaling issue, state it. We know that people do this sort of thing on a small scale every day. Why do you think it can't be done on a large scale - apart from failure of imagination?
PixyMisa
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You need to get big blocks of stone to all parts of the pyramid. A spiral ramp is ideal for that.
Rob Lister
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I'm now three pages in to trying to figure out what Rodney's point is.
There they are,
Built long ago,
what's your point Rodney?
State it and let me rest.
There they are,
Built long ago,
what's your point Rodney?
State it and let me rest.
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How does that Elvis song go -- "A Little Less Conversation and a Little More Action Please"? Or, in the words of Nike: "Just Do It."
It's pretty simple: No one has yet demonstrated how the Great Pyramid could have been built with primitive technology.
I'm just going to throw a cynic's (not skeptic's) view in.
If you can rebuild them, we would very soon have pyramid theme parks outside Las Vegas. With the usual semi-nude women, with 'nile boat rides' in artificial rivers, with $100000 Pharoah Treatment packages.
Are you still sure you want to rebuild them?
If you can rebuild them, we would very soon have pyramid theme parks outside Las Vegas. With the usual semi-nude women, with 'nile boat rides' in artificial rivers, with $100000 Pharoah Treatment packages.
Are you still sure you want to rebuild them?
PixyMisa
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Right.
So what is the problem you see? Why isn't it possible - in your opinion - for people to haul 10-ton or 80-ton block of stone up a spiral dirt ramp, when we know that people have hauled 40-ton blocks up a straight ramp.
What is the problem?
PixyMisa
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They have.
You apparently disagree, but you won't even state what your point of disagreement is.
When and where?
NobbyNobbs
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It helps, though. It shows that this one man, by himself and using no more than sticks and stones, was able to lift a one ton block at least 6 feet above the ground (the crosspiece for his Stonehenge arch).
I have no problem thinking that if he could do this by himself, then the resources of a nation could lift a 50 ton block 300 feet up.
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PixyMisa
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All over this thread.
You disagree, but since you haven't said why you disagree, no-one can address your issues.
Pixy, please. Words won't get it done. To repeat my question, with emphasis on the key word: When and where has anyone DEMONSTRATED how the Great Pyramid could have been built with primitive technology?
rjh01
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That one is easy. When they were built. No-one has demonstrated that they were built using anything other than with technology available at the time.
If you have proof of anything else you have not demonstrated it here.
QED
If you have proof of anything else you have not demonstrated it here.
QED
Bolding mine.
You know, Cairo does have an international airport. May I suggest you hop on the next plane and go there? Air fares are really cheap lately.
This will answer the where part of your question.
Regarding the when, just ask the locals once you are Giza. They know pretty well.
What would you consider a "demonstration"?
richardm
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On page 2 of the thread Rodney says a convincing demonstration would be if someone dragged a 50-80 ton rock up a ramp. I'm not one to second guess people but I'm prepared to bet that if someone did bother to do this Rodney would find a deficiency in it that would leave him unconvinced - it didn't go around a corner, or wasn't placed with adequate precision, or something. Or that some pyramid somewhere contains a 100 ton rock therefore the 50-80 ton one wasn't sufficient.
What I am wondering is how Rodney thinks the pyramids were built - has this been explored anywhere? Or was it supposedly just some vague UFO-provided technology?
What I am wondering is how Rodney thinks the pyramids were built - has this been explored anywhere? Or was it supposedly just some vague UFO-provided technology?
Hutch
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Rodney, just for curiousities sake, back on Post #26 I posted a couple of pictures of the Step Pyramid, which was built earlier than the Giza pyramids. Do you see any reason that ancient Egyptians could not have built that pyramid, using smaller stones?
And if they could solve the issues for that pyramid, doesn't it seem logical that they could have solved it for a larger one, using lessons learned and building upon that experience?
As others have said, the Great Pyramids are there as evidence that they were built. Workers quarters nearby have been excavated, the stone beds where the rock was hewn have been found, and several posters have mentioned various discoveries made that might help explain how they got the stones up the ramps.
Upshot is, there is much that can be done with human labor and ingenuity, even if we have some questions on the precise manner that they did it. No other therory can account for the facts (workers quarters, stone beds, earlier pyramids, Pharoh's orders, the smaller pyramids next to the Great ones) as well as "The Egyptians did it--with sweat and labor and a great deal of intelligence.
If you have one that accounts for the Pyramids better, I wuld be most interested in hearing it.
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Um..what sort of technology are you suggesting they were built with?
First, it's not clear when the Great Pyramid was built. See http://www.cycle-of-time.net/Radiocarbon.htm. Second, the techniques used to build the Step Pyramid are not even within hailing distance of those used to build the Great Pyramid. So, sure, the Step Pyramid could have been built with primitive technology. However, simply asserting that there was a logical progression from there to the Great Pyramid doesn't provide any explanation of how the Great Pyramid was built. Third, I don't know how it was built, but I've thrown out the possibility of kites having been used to raise the largest blocks. See http://obelisk.caltech.edu/ Yes, that's just conjecture, but so is the ramp theory.