PS Audio Noise Harvester

ERS Paper :dl:

What's next, I know sandpaper, to get that good old earth ground.

Paul

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Adding some waxed paper should smooth out the sound.
 
ExtremeSkeptic said:
Most homes in Europe don't have grounded AC outlets. I have been running my system ungrounded my whole life. After I started tweaking I noticed the grounding wire wasn't connected to the AC outlet, so I connected it. My tweaking has made everything safer.
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MortFurd said:
My reaction was still appropriate. ES claimed no houses had grounded outlets.

I've only personally seen grounded plugs in about 8 european countries (and no outlets without ground pins,) and assumed that the other countries were in line with the trend.
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MortFurd said:
ExtremeSkeptic:
Nice sig.

Now add the part where you were wrong as well. Your claim is that no houses in europe have grounded outlets. That is wrong. That some houses don't have grounded outlets doesn't not make your blanket statement true.
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I never said no houses.
 
Let’s see, another dumb tweak.

Now we know that he only listens with headsets, now the problem with headsets is that the magnets in the headset speakers are pointing in opposite directions and on matter how his turns his head the earth’s magnetic field will always be in conflict with the headset magnets unless they are at right angles to the earth’s north and south magnetic poles. But with the magnets being at right angles to the earth’s magnetic field the headset’s speakers can not take full advantage of being inline with the earth’s magnetic field. But here is the big problem with trying to put the both headset magnets in phase with the earth’s magnetic field, as said earlier, only one headset speaker’s magnet can be in phase with the earth’s magnetic field and the headset other speaker’s magnet will be 180 degrees out of phase. Two steps must be taken the fix this horror of horrors problem. First the magnet in one of the headsets must be turned 180 degrees, next the wire in that speaker must be switched to put the headset speakers back in phase with the other speaker. After this the headsets can be in phase with the earth’s magnetic field, but you can only sit in one direction with the headset magnets pointing north and south to take full advantage of the brilliant fix.

Patient pending.

Paul

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Only one output in the plug is hot and the other plug is grounded. The extra ground is only for safely. And ExtremeSkeptic (what a bad name for him :pigsfly ) did you take out all the other fuses between you equipment and the electric generator at the power station.

Paul

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geeeeee,
 
Paulhoff said:
Let’s see, another dumb tweak.

Now we know that he only listens with headsets, now the problem with headsets is that the magnets in the headset speakers are pointing in opposite directions and on matter how his turns his head the earth’s magnetic field will always be in conflict with the headset magnets unless they are at right angles to the earth’s north and south magnetic poles. But with the magnets being at right angles to the earth’s magnetic field the headset’s speakers can not take full advantage of being inline with the earth’s magnetic field. But here is the big problem with trying to put the both headset magnets in phase with the earth’s magnetic field, as said earlier, only one headset speaker’s magnet can be in phase with the earth’s magnetic field and the headset other speaker’s magnet will be 180 degrees out of phase. Two steps must be taken the fix this horror of horrors problem. First the magnet in one of the headsets must be turned 180 degrees, next the wire in that speaker must be switched to put the headset speakers back in phase with the other speaker. After this the headsets can be in phase with the earth’s magnetic field, but you can only sit in one direction with the headset magnets pointing north and south to take full advantage of the brilliant fix.

Patient pending.

Paul

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Hmmm... looked like he was using electrostatics, but I could be wrong. Of course, with those you can't move at all, 'cuz moving charges are going to create a magnetic field, and then we're in the same boat you're describing above -- just an added wrinkle.

I can't believe how these audiophiles miss the most obvious tweaks. :)
 
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MortFurd said:
My reaction was still appropriate. ES claimed no houses had grounded outlets.

I've only personally seen grounded plugs in about 8 european countries (and no outlets without ground pins,) and assumed that the other countries were in line with the trend.
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I apologize for making a mountain out of a molehill, but...

This is exactly why it's important that people realize that unless you are discussing geography, it is almost never appropriate to use the word "Europe." Politics, culture, and.. electrical systems vary wildly across Europe.

There is no way you can make blanket statements like that. The same is true for ExtremeSkeptic and his statistical claim that "most homes" in Europe have no grounding. I guess what I'm saying is... When discussing a country in Europe, specify it by name.

I realize that most people have probably lost interest by now, but just out of curiosity, which country is ES in, and what does the electrical system there look like?


Paulhoff said:
Only one output in the plug is hot and the other plug is grounded. The extra ground is only for safely.
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See, now that could be a dangerous assumption if the installation has no neutral and the power is coming from two (hot) phases. That leaves the safety ground as the only safety measure left! :blush:

Paulhoff said:
And ExtremeSkeptic (what a bad name for him :pigsfly ) did you take out all the other fuses between you equipment and the electric generator at the power station.
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Ah, but those aren't going to be as frail as the fuses in his audio equpiment. It's all about the level of frailness. Don't you know your advanced physics?
 
Buckaroo said:
Hmmm... looked like he was using electrostatics, but I could be wrong.
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It doesn't matter, electrons still have a magnetic field when moving, and you got to get it all lined up with the earth’s magnetic field anyway......

And I hope he has all his wires running the right way too, be that is an other tweak.

Paul

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ExtremeSkeptic said:
All my power cords are separated from each other because it gives better sound. The conductors inside Valhalla need to be separated as well.

I have entered Earth to prepare for our invasion with my alien buddies. We watched 'Independence Day' movie and it wasn't the way to go. We needed to enter inside in disguise...

My alien buddies told me to build the audio system before they come back. We will listen to it in our spaceship.

Inspectors come to my apartment once a month.
They came inside my room and saw me in bed with headphones, they got scared and left the room quickly. Another time they checked inside my closet and didn't say anything.
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OK, this thread just jumped the shark...
 
ExtremeSkeptic said:
I was using 3 Harvesters in my system. Synergy was almost perfect but there was a little bass missing. So I plugged in my 4th Harvester and now I get 20 times more bass than I wanted! It makes me sick. Everything is too heavy from top to bottom.

In my system 3 Harvesters gives too little bass and 4 Harvesters gives too much bass. After my 2nd batch of ERS Paper AC noise is more apparent now.

You won't believe how huge the difference is. Nobody wants a blind test video? Tell me how you want the video to be done.
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Music didn't sound good anymore with the 4th Harvester because bass was emphasized, everything else got lost in the background. So I removed the 4th Harvester and now the background sounds in the music are more apparent than the bass. With 4 Harvesters the bass was in front of the background sounds, but with 3 Harvesters everything is more distinct because the bass doesn't interfere with the rest of the music. AC noise makes everything thinner which is better for transient speed.

I have found that you need to use a different amount of Harvesters for different music. If the music is slow then 4 Harvesters work, but with trance music I need to use 3 Harvesters to make transients thinner and sharper. If they are too heavy it sounds slow and boring.

Noise Harvesters are great, you can choose how you want the music to sound like. The only problem is they still make too big differences in my system. I would like something smaller. 1 Harvester is like 10 kg weight in weightlifting. I want smaller weights so I can fine tune it better!
 
Oh, on grounded outlets and Europe: Generalizing about nearly any condition in Europe is absurd. There are a dozen different electrical plug standards in Europe, even variations within individual countries.

Noise or shielding-wise, it is all moot because the safety-ground that exists in some outlets in some countries has no particular value for shielding purposes.

As for this:

Noise Harvesters are great, you can choose how you want the music to sound like. The only problem is they still make too big differences in my system. I would like something smaller. 1 Harvester is like 10 kg weight in weightlifting. I want smaller weights so I can fine tune it better!
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.. I'm wondering if ES realizes the absurdity in such a statement. If sound reproduction was sensitive to minute changes in noise conditions on the power line, it would be completely out of control. Anything plugged into the mains, in your house and surrounding houses, will influence the noise levels on your mains, and would change your sound reproduction. Your sound would change if your neighbor turned his TV on or off.

If that was so, I would say that your sound equipment was extremely poorly constructed.

Hans
 
Ack on generalized statements about Europe. That's the tack I should have taken, or just ignored the troll to begin with.

I don't know if ES is a troll or just majorly deluded on the subject of audio. If he's a troll, then he's a very determined one who posts the same junk in other forums. If he's deluded, then it's almost in the "3 inch rebar on 4 foot centers," "concrete core" league.

Ack on the shielding properties of the safety ground. That's not its job. The ground is there to help protect people, not to soak up noise.

If there's a ground loop causing a hum in your stereo, the proper solutions are 1) to get all of your equipment on one circuit and possibly flip outlet plug polarities and 2) get audio isolation transformers and break the ground loop in the signal path.

Both of those options leave the safety ground path to your equipment intact.

To test for a ground loop problem, DO NOT temporarily disconnect a ground wire to see if the hum goes away. Test for a ground loop problem by unplugging the signal (patch cables) and touching just the shield on the cable to the shield on the equipment jack. If that connection is the cause of the ground loop hum, then unplugging the cable will make the hum disappear and just connecting the shield will cause it to reappear.
 
Problem solved!

ExtremeSkeptic said:
Music didn't sound good anymore with the 4th Harvester because bass was emphasized, everything else got lost in the background. So I removed the 4th Harvester and now the background sounds in the music are more apparent than the bass. With 4 Harvesters the bass was in front of the background sounds, but with 3 Harvesters everything is more distinct because the bass doesn't interfere with the rest of the music. AC noise makes everything thinner which is better for transient speed.

I have found that you need to use a different amount of Harvesters for different music. If the music is slow then 4 Harvesters work, but with trance music I need to use 3 Harvesters to make transients thinner and sharper. If they are too heavy it sounds slow and boring.

Noise Harvesters are great, you can choose how you want the music to sound like. The only problem is they still make too big differences in my system. I would like something smaller. 1 Harvester is like 10 kg weight in weightlifting. I want smaller weights so I can fine tune it better!
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I have solved the problem now, I found it accidentally!

I have the Harvesters plugged into JuiceBar which was plugged into wall with a 1 meter 14awg shielded stock cable. The JuiceBar is on top of my computer beside my audio rack.

I moved the JuiceBar into the closet to prepare for video blind testing, I replaced the 1 meter cable with 230 cm 18awg stock cable that wasn't shielded. The cable was almost touching the PSU of my computer, I didn't see it until afterwards.
Everything sounded muddier! I couldn't listen, I needed to move it back like it was before!

Then tried a PS Audio Statement power cable between wall and JuiceBar. The cable was so heavy that I needed to turn the JuiceBar 90 degrees for it to stay on top of my computer.
I listened again and bass was more solid! The improvement was crazy!

Then I turned the JuiceBar back 90 degrees and bass was little muddier, I needed to turn it back to my new found magic position.

Then I thought about wrapping the JuiceBar and Harvesters with ERS Paper, bass got muddier!! I removed the ERS Paper and bass was solid again! Amazing!

I'm able to listen with 4 Harvesters now! Bass is crazy heavy but solid like it is on steroids!


First impressions Statement for Harvesters and magic position of JuiceBar: More solid bass. More transparency and speed. Longer attack and decay. Greater dynamics. Higher resolution.

Ambient sounds are more detailed which makes it sound more open, there is true openness. I have heard this improvement when wrapping my system in ERS Paper.



2nd impressions: Huge open and black soundstage without being fake from edginess. Huge space around vocals, it is scary. Bass is solid like on steroids. More vocal information. I hear new worlds of detail. Transients sound faster than before while being heavier!!
 
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We had a saying for people who didn't get it in the Air Force, and it was also used for pilots who couldn’t shoot straight and blamed the gun system "Short between headsets", we have one here……………:D

Paul

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Let me get this straight... you can hear a substantial difference based on the direction that one of your components is facing?
 
ExtremeSkeptic said:
I have solved the problem now, I found it accidentally!

I have the Harvesters plugged into JuiceBar which was plugged into wall with a 1 meter 14awg shielded stock cable. The JuiceBar is on top of my computer beside my audio rack.

I moved the JuiceBar into the closet to prepare for video blind testing, etc etc etc
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This is a great example of magical thinking and why these audiophiles are never happy with what they do. Because no matter how much they tweak they will tweak some more, always trying to get that so-called last little nuance out of their equipment. It never (and I do mean never) occurs to them that what they are doing is bogus, fake, has nothing to do with reality and is only based on pseudoscience and that is why they will tweak again, because what they hear is not there, it is only in their head.

Paul

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Very heavy on the pseudoscience.....................
 
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