Mark Roberts Gay Spy MySpace

[CptColumbo]

You are all obviously unaware of the vast "Gay Conspiracy."
I posted this in another thread, but is also appropriate for this one:

 

[MG1962]

So they claim Mark is gay.......... then brag about it??

So they cant critise his intellect....his arguements, his debunking, all they have to complain about is his sexuality

Me thinks Mark has won if that's their best shot. What would be even funnier, if it turned out Mark was gay. I think I would be tempted to say I was just to see the looks on their face. Mind you, it would be interesting to see them admit Mark has had sex with someone other than himself. An experience I fear many of them have yet to face

 

[332nd]

You are all obviously unaware of the vast "Gay Conspiracy."
I posted this in another thread, but is also appropriate for this one:

Send in the Lavender Helicopters! Mauve team go! Mauve team go!

 

[maccy]

So they claim Mark is gay.......... then brag about it??

So they cant critise his intellect....his arguements, his debunking, all they have to complain about is his sexuality

Me thinks Mark has won if that's their best shot. What would be even funnier, if it turned out Mark was gay. I think I would be tempted to say I was just to see the looks on their face. Mind you, it would be interesting to see them admit Mark has had sex with someone other than himself. An experience I fear many of them have yet to face

LCF forum member Jackchit doesn't like the "Justice for Killtown" myspace page and so has decided to strike back. However, he's so witless that all he can think of to base his page on is the coincidence of Mark's name and this video:



So whereas the Justice of Killtown page is a satire based on what killtown has actually said, the Mark Roberts Gay Spy one is just a pathetic collection of homophobic "jokes".

I think they should have set up a page celebrating Mark's goalscoring exploits:



or his bodybuilding career:

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I AGREE

or his TV reporting:

 

[Wartrac]

I say we show up at the next meeting of "the movement" pulling up in our black Crown Vics. But then pour out dressed up as The Village People. We can talk into out wrist radios and do the secret NWO handshake.

 

[kookbreaker]

You are all obviously unaware of the vast "Gay Conspiracy."

"DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE QUEERS ARE DOING TO THE SOIL, STUART?!! DO YOU?!"

 

[Mobyseven]

Haha, Mobyseven re:

Nice smackdown.

My Legal Methods and Reasoning lecturer said that she thought 'British law' would probably not be the best term to use - not necessarily incorrect, but not the best term considering that Scotland has a seperate parliament and judiciary to England and Wales (although the guy over there does think that England and Wales operate under different systems).

I did however think there were laws that applied to the whole of the UK that could be deemed British Commonwealth law (as the formal title for the UK is still "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland" - unless the formal title changed and I was unaware of it?).

Even though this thread seems to have disappeared (I also have some screenshots up to my last post, but if you could PM me to get my email, and send me yours that would be good - I didn't get the whole post in my shots ) - can someone here who has a knowledge of UK legal systems help me out?

 

[Mobyseven]

As for proving defamation in court, I just had a few thoughts on the matter.

In this day and age, calling someone gay probably doesn't lower their status in society or defame them in any way (even if they are offended by the remark).

However, due to the highly offensive nature of the MySpace site and the homophobic jokes and feel of the site, he may be defamed because they have implied he is connected to the site.

In other words, it isn't what they are saying ABOUT him that is defamatory - it is the fact that his name has been attached to a website that he and many other people (including possibly the gay community) would find offensive and in bad taste.

Just my two cents (which by now probably brings me up to a dime in this thread).

Also - can the same person (who I hope exists) who has a good knowledge of UK law explain the difference between defamation law in the UK and the USA to me?

I'm in Australia, so my knowledge of both is probably a bit lacking...

 

[chillzero]

I did however think there were laws that applied to the whole of the UK that could be deemed British Commonwealth law (as the formal title for the UK is still "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland" - unless the formal title changed and I was unaware of it?).

umm... The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

 

[Mobyseven]

umm... The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Touche.

I was actually thinking that as I wrote it, but wasn't sure whether they specified. Figured I'd pick one and live with it if I was corrected.

Question - when did Ireland (most of Ireland) successfully cecede from the UK? As in, what year?

 

[Rawkarma]

When LC 3 ever emerges from the bowels of Avery and finally gets released, there will be sufficient entertainment for them all.

The never-ending wait for Avery to release this, coupled with the fact that they have not, and will not ever produce any evidence that 9/11 was an inside job, leaves plenty of energy for other avenues of interest. One such favorite is defamation, and now they have implemented this tried and tested method with myspace.

Bravo.

 

[chillzero]

sorry for de-rail

Touche.

I was actually thinking that as I wrote it, but wasn't sure whether they specified. Figured I'd pick one and live with it if I was corrected.

Question - when did Ireland (most of Ireland) successfully cecede from the UK? As in, what year?

Independence for the Republic of Ireland in 1922 followed the partition of the island of Ireland two years previously, with six of the nine counties of the province of Ulster remaining within the UK, which then changed to the current name in 1927.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom

 

[VespaGuy]

"DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE QUEERS ARE DOING TO THE SOIL, STUART?!! DO YOU?!"

"You know what, Stuart, I like you. You're not like the other
people, here in the trailer park."

ahhh... the Dead Milkmen. Good times.

 

[peteweaver]

Righto - so someone has set up a MySpace site taking a shot at Gravy and wilfully defaming him.

Mark - are you going to take any action to have the site removed? I believe the offender lives in the UK, which will actually make a defamation case much easier for you to make.

I live in the UK aswell, want me to go round to his house with a transit van and the heavies ? (joke)

It seriously is scraping the bottom of the barrel to be so petty as to attack someone like that, for them simply disagreeing with what is (regardless of how popular it may be) a very mediocre film about 9/11.

It always makes me laugh when I see them asking others to examine the evidence and yet when it comes to hard evidence they refuse to examine it themselves.

I'll complain to myspace about the profile though, its just not on to see that kind of harrassment.

 

[Juustin]

Obviously this is Mark's decision and not mine, since they're not making fun of me, but I would personally take it as a compliment (and I'm straight).

It obviously hurts their whole movement more than it hurts Mark. Any fence sitter who sees they're "response" to Mark's well researched arguments will obviously realize they have the collective mentality of a 7th grader.

It's not even just a case of attacking Mark and not his message. Them saying "Mark Roberts is a corrupt individual and never tells the truth, and here's 5 people who can verify that he's a liar" would be 20 intellectual steps above simply saying "Yeah? Well, you're gay!"

I think this proves more than anything that they have no idea how to even counter Mark's arguments. Well done.

 

[Rawkarma]

Plato once said:

Wise men speak when they have something to say; Fools speak when they have to say something.

Those words are extremely apt.

 

[bonavada]

Do we have any UK lawyers here at JREF? We have American and Canadian ones, I know, but I'd like to see what a UK one would think.
It's been my understanding that UK libel law is pretty tough. I mean, Liberace successfully sued for libel when someone there just implied he was gay. Think about that, Jackchit. If Liberace can win, Mark Roberts sure as hell can.

elton john also is notoriously litigious. he has taken quite a few dodgy UK tabloids to task several times. he recieved one 6 figure settlement for the horrendous libel of being call "rude" (by the Daily Express i think) if i remember correctly, he also won massive damages from The Sun for alegations of him associating with "rent-boys" even though he is an out of the closet gay and these young gentlemen of the night were photographed entering and leaving his apartments.
im no legal expert (so correct me please if i'm wrong) but i think one of the main differences between UK and US libel law is that in the US the claimant has to prove defamation. whereas in the UK the onus is on the defence to show the relevant published material is not malicious in intent. or something like that, don't quote me on it.

ETA: found a nice little primer on British libel slander here it's a FAQ from the infamous peter carter-ruck London solicitors firm.

BV

 

[Regnad Kcin]

When LC 3 ever emerges from the bowels of Avery and finally gets released, there will be sufficient entertainment for them all.

The never-ending wait for Avery to release this, coupled with the fact that they have not, and will not ever produce any evidence that 9/11 was an inside job, leaves plenty of energy for other avenues of interest. One such favorite is defamation, and now they have implemented this tried and tested method with myspace.

Bravo.

Well summarized.

And welcome to the forum.

 

[8den]

Touche.

I was actually thinking that as I wrote it, but wasn't sure whether they specified. Figured I'd pick one and live with it if I was corrected.

Question - when did Ireland (most of Ireland) successfully cecede from the UK? As in, what year?

We recieved a form of independence in 1920 after the war of independence. Which then followed a brief bloody civil war to 1922 when we accepted the terms of the treaty with Great Britain. TDs (our MPs) still had to swear an oath of allegience to the king, and british troops maintained a presence in our ports. Between 1922, and 1946, using various excuses we dismantled the links between our two states (we used the abidication of Edward as justification), by 1933 we were an independent state in all but name, and in 1946. declared ourselves a republic.

Interestingly enough it was the 1993 ratification of the Good Friday Peace Agreement, through referendum, that the Irish State stopped claiming Northern Ireland was part of the Irish State, and recognised it as part of great Britain.

I've more than passing familarity with libel law working in the media. And yes British (and Irish) libel law is particularly harsh. In fact many individuals are using this, to sue companies or organisation on the web. A classic example is Tom Cruise and the South Park boys. In their scientology episode, Tom Cruise's parting words are "I'm going to sue your asses in England", and lo he did just that in reality.

I imagine a British legal firm could send a threatening letter to myspace, or the little [rule8]er who set up the site.

In the unlikely event this went to court I doubt you'd get much by way of damages but this is and open and shut no brainer, they're libelling you, by misrepresenting your involvment with that page.

 

[T.A.M.]

The teen in texas that did something similar admitted to it though, so they picked him up and charged him. The trouble with the UK guy, despite the tougher laws, would be finding out who did it. Myspace not want to give p the personal info of a user...although if a crime has been committed that breeched their TOS, they could do so without impunity.

I'd say the guy who did this, if it was to defame our Mark Roberts (Marks reply does state that the myspace mentions his profession - which is a NYC Tour Guide) may be soon in deep shaite.

TAM

Edit: knowing Marks maturity level, and integrity, he probably doesn't even consider the accusation of "being gay" an insult. He is probably more miffed at someone misrepresenting him, than the homosexual aspect.

TAM