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Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters
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Belz...
Fiend God
I'm not interested in probabilities. Only reality.
What evidence ? If there's no proof...
Bottom line.....when a skeptic "analyses" evidence "A"....they point to evidence "B", "C", "D". etc...and say "well, all that evidence is worthless, so "A" must be worthless too!!!(I did good, mommy!)
Well, that might be a valid criticism. However I've never seen a piece of bigfoot evidence that stands on its own, either.
Lovely little bit of circular reasoning....isn't it?!
Hopefully it's not a strawman.
No, he's not. He's using Occam's Razor. As far as eyewitness testimony is concerned, without corroborating, physical evidence, the most likely explanation is often, in such cases, fraud or simple mistake. I'm not saying it is or isn't in this case. Just pointing that out.
I'd like to know why you think it's more likely, however.
Impossible, since apes aren't our ancestors.
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And now, something for those who think drawing bones over faked and misinterpreted prints is good science and brings some credibility and plausibility to the bigfoot myth.
Look at those skeletons!!! Can you guess to which cryptos they belong?
Highlight to find the answer, oh seeker of the truth...
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1-Tom, the cat from Tom and Jerry
2- Bugs Bunny
Images source:
http://www.arariogallery.co.kr/exhibition/exhibition_past_artwork.php?exhibition_serial=49
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Look at those skeletons!!! Can you guess to which cryptos they belong?
Highlight to find the answer, oh seeker of the truth...
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1-Tom, the cat from Tom and Jerry
2- Bugs Bunny
Images source:
http://www.arariogallery.co.kr/exhibition/exhibition_past_artwork.php?exhibition_serial=49
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Skeptical Greg
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There have been several attempts by proponents to suggest Bigfoot evidence would hold up in a court of law ..
How about a mock trial, where we try to reach a verdict on the reality of Big Hairy ? ( beyond a reasonable doubt )
I'm sure we would have pages of pre-trial motions regarding the definition of ' reasonable ' ....
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Yes! I was hoping that someone besides me would see this and see the relationship to Bigfoot! As soon as I saw this I e-mailed Daegling...
In his new book, Jeff Meldrum includes numerous skeletal overlays over track casts, with the implication that this validates the track cast as being authentic.
I think what these artistic skeletons show, without a doubt, is that one can impute a skeleton into ANYTHING you want. Personally, my favorites are the skeletons of Beavis and Butthead.
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Great minds think alike, hehehehe...
The sculptures from Hyungkoo Lee are very cool! You may also want to check the work of Michael Paulus (http://michaelpaulus.com/gallery/v/character-Skeletons/)
for more skeletons.
But never mind, tru-belivers will not be affected by this. Actually some will be, but like the following:
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OMFG!!! I saw those skeletons! Beavis & Butthead are GRAY ALIENS!!!! look at the size of those skuls... Wait! Just found these ones:
Dexter, Linus, Power Puff Girls, even the old trusty Betty Boop! All of them have those large rounded skulls!1! Its proof of a conspiracy!!! Teh aliens are using cartoons to get us used to them!!11 probably even to control us11!!11
Want proof, you soffic close-minded denialist sheeple?
Here it is:
The skeleton of a real alien!
And a Power Puff Girl!!!
And Tom!!! OMFG! Its looking at me...
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Skeptical Greg
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I propose that the Bigfoot skeleton is made of broccoli ..
I can prove it by drawing it over this cast..
There !! Prove me wrong .. Just bring in a Sas and disect the foot.. I guarantee it wil be made out of broccoli..
I can clearly see the mid-stalk break ..
Why am I qualified to make this claim ?
I have eaten a lot of broccoli, and I know broccoli toes when I see them.
I am also a certified Broctologist ..
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You stupid idiot! You skeptics think in a box!!! There is no lineage to be found in fossils leading from plants to primates!! What a jerk. Were you born with a brain????? 
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I was just about to ask your professional diagnostics on the buttprints at Skookum cast and that female buttprint from Freeman when I noticed the "B"...
kitakaze
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Careful you don't excite Asparagus Boy. Oh dear, that was obnoxious... WAIT! I must be Cabbage Head!
Why won't you let me forget I have a CABBAGE FOR A HEAD?!?
It's a frickin' salad toss in here.
RayG
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Yeah, idiot! Gosh, what do you think, sasquatch just roams around the countryside? They live in Alaska. I used to hunt sasquatches in Alaska with my uncle. Dang, there were like 50 of 'em! They kept trying to attack my cousins so I used a freakin' 12-gauge on them.
Bears aren't a sasquatches worst enemy. It's horses
Sweet!
RayG
Skeptical Greg
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Uhhh, 'scuse me .. You forgot the appropriate caps and bolding...
There.. I fixed it for you ..
The emoticons were o.k.... No points lost there ..
Here is a sticker for you ..
kitakaze
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How it's done.
That's more than enough, thanks. When you boys are done having your fun maybe you could have a look at some Iowa wilderness. Plenty of places for our friends to go undetected here:
It's not all farm land, you know. I once knew a pharmacist from there and if she heard you guys scoffing at bigfoot being there let's just say she'd be filling your prescriptions good. I think this calls for some Digman -
http://www.uiowa.edu/~ipops/wildiowaessayprojectdigman.htm
"Iowa Wilderness
Matthew Digman, West Des Moines
Millions of years ago water covered Iowa blessing the land with beautiful limestone formations and fossils making waterfalls and cliffs. It also made flat plains and hills. But, some fossils were not covered in limestone formations. These others took a much different path. When they died silt built up around them, preserving them. Over the years pressure built up and these dead bodies carbonized, leaving the land with something black. That something was none other than coal. It was left undisturbed for many years. But, as you know these rocks are not the only beauties of the land.
The next beauty Mother Nature bestowed upon the land happened like this. During the ice age glaciers covered the land. When they melted, they washed thousands of tons of soil down with them. Much of this excellent, fertile soil was left in Iowa. Some eroded away making tall bluffs and hills, which are amazing sights. Now many have been destroyed and leveled to make way for roads and fields. But here is the question-why is 91% of Iowa now farmland, when there are so many other features? The reason is this: When the glaciers melted they covered the land with twenty inches of the best topsoil in the world. Not only that, but the land was large and flat, making it the ultimate farmland. For thousands of years forests and vast fertile plains remained undisturbed. When the trees died they decomposed. This compost only made the land more fertile. Buffalo roamed the plains. All of this made Iowa a large example of wilderness. But, when the influence of the Europeans came, it could not stay this way.
For centuries Native Americans lived here, tilling small patches of the soil, but otherwise leaving the land undisturbed. Then, white men came. They destroyed many of the wild plains where animals roam, driving animals that once numbered in the millions, like the bison, near extinction. When the resources were discovered, roads were built running into Iowa and increasing the number of people there very quickly. It was not long after that the railroads were built, making it more desirable to come to Iowa due to the increasing ease of transportation. Soon almost all of Iowa was farmland. At some point miners discovered the coal and its potential to produce power. They stripped it from the land, and in the process, destroyed much of the underground beauty of Iowa-the limestone caves. They then stripped the beautiful limestone from the ground too, and used it to make buildings and walkways. Many of these caves are lost forever.
You may think that despite the large amount of land used as commercial farms and the destroyed caves that much of Iowa is still national, state, and city parks. That is where you are wrong. Less then two percent of the land area in Iowa falls into those categories, putting Iowa in forty-ninth place for land set aside for “recreation.” Of that two percent, just five percent remains native prairie, or one tenth of one percent of the total land in Iowa. When considering this, realize that nearly one hundred percent of Iowa was originally prairie.
You may think that there is no way to reverse these statistics. You may think that it is impossible to return land to its natural state once it has been farmed. This is far from true. Studies show that farmed land can return to its natural state in less than ten years. It may take more or less depending on the amount of fertilizer that was used, rainfall and other variations.You may also think that even though it can return to its natural state, it would be impossible without destroying Iowa’s economy. In fact, It is estimated that twenty percent of the land in Iowa can be turned into recreational land without causing significant change to Iowa’s economy. Twenty percent is a much more acceptable number than two percent.
I am a Boy Scout and as a result camp often. I have seen first hand much of the remaining wild in Iowa. There are beautiful forests with evergreens and oaks so tall and old, giving way to a grassy plain with a river meandering slowly through it. In the morning the sun rises in many colors and a slight fog covers the land. In another part there are caves with beautiful limestone formations that range in color from pure white to a deep red. They are nestled into a lush, green forest with all kinds of flourishing plants and animals. There is a stream peacefully running through the hills. It cascades into a gigantic cavern with the biggest formations of all. The stream flows deep into the cave, eventually disappearing into the ground. These may seem like a fantasy, but they are very real. Places like these are scattered across Iowa. Places like Chichaqua, Makoqueta Caves, Eagle Cave and Yellow Banks. There are many more.
It is important for Iowans to understand that wilderness should mean land that is not affected by the presence of human beings. Sometimes people’s perception is that we can only experience the wild in places far from here, like Mount Everest or the Amazon Rainforest. Those places are wild, but it can be found everywhere. People rarely think of Iowa as “wild” Although right now we have moved away from the wild in Iowa, if we work together to preserve it and leave some land unfarmed, we could return Iowa to wild."
Let me know when your ready for a serious discussion on the subject. Or do you just want to play games.
That's more than enough, thanks. When you boys are done having your fun maybe you could have a look at some Iowa wilderness. Plenty of places for our friends to go undetected here:
It's not all farm land, you know. I once knew a pharmacist from there and if she heard you guys scoffing at bigfoot being there let's just say she'd be filling your prescriptions good. I think this calls for some Digman -
http://www.uiowa.edu/~ipops/wildiowaessayprojectdigman.htm
"Iowa Wilderness
Matthew Digman, West Des Moines
Millions of years ago water covered Iowa blessing the land with beautiful limestone formations and fossils making waterfalls and cliffs. It also made flat plains and hills. But, some fossils were not covered in limestone formations. These others took a much different path. When they died silt built up around them, preserving them. Over the years pressure built up and these dead bodies carbonized, leaving the land with something black. That something was none other than coal. It was left undisturbed for many years. But, as you know these rocks are not the only beauties of the land.
The next beauty Mother Nature bestowed upon the land happened like this. During the ice age glaciers covered the land. When they melted, they washed thousands of tons of soil down with them. Much of this excellent, fertile soil was left in Iowa. Some eroded away making tall bluffs and hills, which are amazing sights. Now many have been destroyed and leveled to make way for roads and fields. But here is the question-why is 91% of Iowa now farmland, when there are so many other features? The reason is this: When the glaciers melted they covered the land with twenty inches of the best topsoil in the world. Not only that, but the land was large and flat, making it the ultimate farmland. For thousands of years forests and vast fertile plains remained undisturbed. When the trees died they decomposed. This compost only made the land more fertile. Buffalo roamed the plains. All of this made Iowa a large example of wilderness. But, when the influence of the Europeans came, it could not stay this way.
For centuries Native Americans lived here, tilling small patches of the soil, but otherwise leaving the land undisturbed. Then, white men came. They destroyed many of the wild plains where animals roam, driving animals that once numbered in the millions, like the bison, near extinction. When the resources were discovered, roads were built running into Iowa and increasing the number of people there very quickly. It was not long after that the railroads were built, making it more desirable to come to Iowa due to the increasing ease of transportation. Soon almost all of Iowa was farmland. At some point miners discovered the coal and its potential to produce power. They stripped it from the land, and in the process, destroyed much of the underground beauty of Iowa-the limestone caves. They then stripped the beautiful limestone from the ground too, and used it to make buildings and walkways. Many of these caves are lost forever.
You may think that despite the large amount of land used as commercial farms and the destroyed caves that much of Iowa is still national, state, and city parks. That is where you are wrong. Less then two percent of the land area in Iowa falls into those categories, putting Iowa in forty-ninth place for land set aside for “recreation.” Of that two percent, just five percent remains native prairie, or one tenth of one percent of the total land in Iowa. When considering this, realize that nearly one hundred percent of Iowa was originally prairie.
You may think that there is no way to reverse these statistics. You may think that it is impossible to return land to its natural state once it has been farmed. This is far from true. Studies show that farmed land can return to its natural state in less than ten years. It may take more or less depending on the amount of fertilizer that was used, rainfall and other variations.You may also think that even though it can return to its natural state, it would be impossible without destroying Iowa’s economy. In fact, It is estimated that twenty percent of the land in Iowa can be turned into recreational land without causing significant change to Iowa’s economy. Twenty percent is a much more acceptable number than two percent.
I am a Boy Scout and as a result camp often. I have seen first hand much of the remaining wild in Iowa. There are beautiful forests with evergreens and oaks so tall and old, giving way to a grassy plain with a river meandering slowly through it. In the morning the sun rises in many colors and a slight fog covers the land. In another part there are caves with beautiful limestone formations that range in color from pure white to a deep red. They are nestled into a lush, green forest with all kinds of flourishing plants and animals. There is a stream peacefully running through the hills. It cascades into a gigantic cavern with the biggest formations of all. The stream flows deep into the cave, eventually disappearing into the ground. These may seem like a fantasy, but they are very real. Places like these are scattered across Iowa. Places like Chichaqua, Makoqueta Caves, Eagle Cave and Yellow Banks. There are many more.
It is important for Iowans to understand that wilderness should mean land that is not affected by the presence of human beings. Sometimes people’s perception is that we can only experience the wild in places far from here, like Mount Everest or the Amazon Rainforest. Those places are wild, but it can be found everywhere. People rarely think of Iowa as “wild” Although right now we have moved away from the wild in Iowa, if we work together to preserve it and leave some land unfarmed, we could return Iowa to wild."
Let me know when your ready for a serious discussion on the subject. Or do you just want to play games.
William Parcher
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Storm clouds are rapidly forming over Bigfootery. The Bigfoot Forums is in a freefall. Who can save Bigfoot now? The Canuck Caesar is dead. The whole thing might now be up to Lu, Huntster and Bill Green. Huntster has distilled his entire belief down to the personalities of the people of Prince of Wales Island. JREF remains the best forum for Bigfoot skepticism. The BFF can only take measured doses of skeptical rationality and reason... it's about to implode.
From my perspective, BF skeptics have two new responsibilities:
1) Create a welcoming and comfortable environment for converted believers, and offer a potentially better and satisfying way of looking at the real world (including things other than Bigfoot).
2) Find some way to preserve Bigfoot as a wonderful and cherished North American legend. We seem to already not have a problem when thinking about Santa Claus. There should be no need to waste thousands of posts arguing about the reality of the Easter Bunny - yet who among us doesn't like eating a chocolate rabbit in April? We cannot let the myth of Bigfoot vanish; if for no other reason than that it is the most perfect campfire story that anyone could tell.
2007 is the year to take monkeys off of backs by coming to real terms with the Big Monkey. It's way past due now.
From my perspective, BF skeptics have two new responsibilities:
1) Create a welcoming and comfortable environment for converted believers, and offer a potentially better and satisfying way of looking at the real world (including things other than Bigfoot).
2) Find some way to preserve Bigfoot as a wonderful and cherished North American legend. We seem to already not have a problem when thinking about Santa Claus. There should be no need to waste thousands of posts arguing about the reality of the Easter Bunny - yet who among us doesn't like eating a chocolate rabbit in April? We cannot let the myth of Bigfoot vanish; if for no other reason than that it is the most perfect campfire story that anyone could tell.
2007 is the year to take monkeys off of backs by coming to real terms with the Big Monkey. It's way past due now.
William Parcher
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Oh, and I'm not done. I'm sick and tired of the Bigfooters having all the fun. Those folks have festivals, conferences and wilderness expeditions to beautiful places. Skeptics don't have squat. I've been to their gatherings and they are as boring as could be. Bigfooters barbeque pork chops or even whole pigs, and the skeptics eat salads and crap like that.
You know I'm a complete Bigfoot skeptic. Yet, I desperately want to go to a Bigfoot festival that celebrates the legend. I love Bigfoot. I want to get a sunburn while strolling through a jamboree with contests for best BF costume, best fake footprints, best territorial male vocalization and best Patty look-a-like. That babe better have big gazongas and a J-Lo out back. Nobody can take a prize without a really good phony thigh hernia. I want to eat a Bigfoot Thumb (corndog), and then try to break the timed record for ability to tolerate Bigfoot smells inside a plexiglas box. You can even order Crow (blackened chicken breast). Get your picture taken next to the winners of the Mr & Mrs Bigfoot contest.
Is this skeptic asking for too much to have Bigfoot in my life?
You know I'm a complete Bigfoot skeptic. Yet, I desperately want to go to a Bigfoot festival that celebrates the legend. I love Bigfoot. I want to get a sunburn while strolling through a jamboree with contests for best BF costume, best fake footprints, best territorial male vocalization and best Patty look-a-like. That babe better have big gazongas and a J-Lo out back. Nobody can take a prize without a really good phony thigh hernia. I want to eat a Bigfoot Thumb (corndog), and then try to break the timed record for ability to tolerate Bigfoot smells inside a plexiglas box. You can even order Crow (blackened chicken breast). Get your picture taken next to the winners of the Mr & Mrs Bigfoot contest.
Is this skeptic asking for too much to have Bigfoot in my life?
Skeptical Greg
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You have been nominated Sir !
I would love to post this over at BFF, but they might resent it more than appreciate it..
I think the BFF'ers that would appreciate it, will probably catch it over here ...
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William Parcher
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... and I want to run into Lu at that festival and give her a big hug & kiss. I want to arm-wrestle Sweety under a huge oak tree and have him beat me so silly that I call him Sir SweatyYeti. I want to talk to Huntster and hear him tell Alaskan hunting stories. I want to end my night with everyone who has ever posted in any Bigfoot forum thread, gathered around a campfire trading Bigfoot stories and drinking booze. I want Patterson, Dahinden & Krantz there in spirit and with selected speeches given to honor them.
Bigfoot is just too wonderful to leave only to the believers.
Bigfoot is just too wonderful to leave only to the believers.
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Thanks. That's twice in one week for me.
I want an Independant Bigfoot Film Festival with awards for most realistic. I want a special award for 16mm films. I also want a blockbuster Hollywood (or New Zealand
) Bigfoot film that grosses more than King Kong, shown in 70mm with the THX speakers turned up to eleven. I want Jimmy Chilcutt to judge the dermatoglyphics contest. Tube juggles torches in a Silverback Squatch outfit, while DesertYeti pretty much just drinks beers all day. I want everyone to stop using the term hoaxer and start calling them artists. Hairy Man is the keynote speaker to tell the audience about Native Americans and their Bigfoot. Loren Coleman runs the whole show. He is President & CEO...period. I want that.
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