Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

[LAL]

Of course, it's a double-edged sword, because now I realize that I'm actually one of those stubborn, snooty scientists that simply won't take Green and other BF-fans at their word. Ah well, it's been a fun diversion from the real world for awhile!

I would love to see a debate with you, Chilcutt, Meldrum, Swindler, Green, Caddy and Noll on national televison.

Are you sure you won't take Kathy up on her offer? Heck, I'll donate.

 

[kitakaze]

I don't think they do. I think they just happen to inhabit areas that don't get a lot of human traffic.

*cough* Dr. Matthew Johnson. *cough*

Often they are. There are reports of them raiding food supplies on farms and that sort of thing, but they don't seem to be far from rough terrain, either mountains or swamps.

Where the Wild Things Are complex.

Actually there are a few scientists willing to look into it. There are problems of time and funding, but at least there's been a start.

The start was when 'Science' started documenting the fauna of NA and missed one of the biggest. The ones everywhere and nowhere.

And a few of them have had sightings, too. If the scofticism weren't so rampant, maybe more would come forward.

Such as?

 

[kitakaze]

Are you sure you won't take Kathy up on her offer? Heck, I'll donate.

Yes, Kathy has been absent from this board of late. I wonder why. Kathy doesn't seem interested in countering obvious evidence that she was caught with her pants down speaking with authority and tried to pull a fast one to cover for it. Very odd that she hasn't made the slightest effort to address that. Hmmm.

 

[Gbob]

For the record, the Jane Godall reference was a shout out to the famous Gary Larson Far Side strip (which, and I may be recalling this wrong, featured two gorillas. The female picks up a piece of hair from one and says "Conducting more 'research' with that Jane Goodall tramp?"). For the record, I always found Goodall's work with the Gombe chimps to be fascinating ever since I was a child. Questions of methodology aside, she inspired a whole new dimension in primate studies and if nothing else should be greatly admired for defining a generation of research. Heck, I even donated to her "Roots and Shoots" campaign about 8 or 9 years back...although I might have done it just for the t-shirt. It was a while ago.

Trust me, my statement was meant as a joke. If my remarks were taken wrong, then I apologize. Jane kicks ass.

Of course, she has an advantage studying real animals rather than Bigfeet or Tooth Faires or such.

Anyways, on to the lunacy.

My mistake thinking the 10,000 were in Washington, not Canada. See, it used to be that Bigfeet were in the east coast. Then California. Then Washington. Now they're in Canada. Of course. Mobile critters, aren't they? Wish they would leave a forwarding address. Any reason then that there are more sightings in Washington state rather than Canada? One might think it had something to do with the fact that there are more books and bigfeetie shows on TV in the states, but that would be cynical. Just curious, when they're not found in Canada, do you have another place to look?

As for hard evidence, I'm not quite sure why Bigfeetie folks have problem grasping the concept that mammals leave trails. They leave bones. They leave evidence. Finding a piece of old scat and some matted grass does not constitute evidence. Just because one may stumble upon something that is unexplained does not mean that it's a Bigfoot anymore than any unidentified lights in the sky means that you're looking at an alien spacecraft.

Then again, that's a waste of words with you people. Here's where you point to fraudulent tracks, hillbilly witness accounts, and a few silly pictures. C'mon, go for it. Just because the notion of Bigfeet defies common sense or understanding of how animals work in the real world shouldn't stop you from going forward.

 

[LAL]

Lu, can we see a Mangani map for Iowa?

Why? Are we comparing Grizzly habitat in Iowa?

http://penn.freeservers.com/bigfootmaps/

Not a lot going on, is there? But, as noted, even Iowa has some wilderness left.

 

[LTC8K6]

Hell, there are probably a thousand mammoths out there too....

They're just shy and smart...

 

[desertyeti]

Don't forget the sabretooths!
Sure, they might look like mountain lions with short tails, but they're real-live sabretooths!
They leave footprints and poop and hair and and and...this one guy in 1965 told this other guy who told my aunt's friend's garbage man about it, and I talked to the garbage man and he told me it's true! But no mean old scientists ever take me seriously!

 

[LTC8K6]

All foot had to do to hide is tracks was take one step over......

What happened? Why did the clever foot walk on the fresh soil where his tracks were obvious instead of hiding his tracks in the road bed?

 

[kitakaze]

For some reason, NA natives haven't been too keen on hunting 8' apes. They've tended to avoid them and tell stories about them instead.

Again, Lu, you are glaringly contradicting yourself.

Addendum to interlude:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20070222/sc_livescience/firstamericansettlersnotwhowethought

Why do you cite and skew scientific discovery where you think it supports bigfoot and elsewhere blame science for not finding the object of your fascination?

And again you downplay human ability and endeavours to support your ideas of bigfoot.

NA native peoples haven't been too keen on hunting 8' apes but they didn't shy from mastodons?

 

[LAL]

All foot had to do to hide is tracks was take one step over......

What happened? Why did the clever foot walk on the fresh soil where his tracks were obvious instead of hiding his tracks in the road bed?

[qimg]http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/uploads/post-2-1107224808.jpg[/qimg]

That's one of Green's photos Yeah Right seems to think was never taken.

Why would they hide tracks? A couple of researchers have thought they might when they know they're being followed, but in most terrain tracks don't show much anyway. Proponents of that idea may just be expressing frustration at an inability to track them.

There were three individuals involved in the BCM/OM event leaving three different sizes of prints; trackways weren't just found along the road. Many of the prints (maybe half) were obliterated by passing traffic and by the road crew.

According to Coleman, Wallace moved to Toledo Washington in 1961. So, where was he in 1967 when those tracks were found? (Serious question; did he move back to California then back to Washington?)

http://www.lorencoleman.com/raymond_wallace_obituary.html

The photos show toe movement, a neat trick even with the three different sizes of wooden "Titmus style" feet Ray Wallace reportedly had.

 

[kitakaze]

All foot had to do to hide is tracks was take one step over......

What happened? Why did the clever foot walk on the fresh soil where his tracks were obvious instead of hiding his tracks in the road bed?

Idiocy. If there was a fruit pile it would have belly-crawled.

 

[LTC8K6]

NA native peoples haven't been to keen on hunting 8' apes but they didn't shy from mastodons?

They hunted Grizzlies and Mammoths and mountain lions and each other, etc., but sasquatch was too much?

Talk about illogic....

 

[kitakaze]

Why would they hide tracks? A couple of researchers have thought they might when they know they're being followed, but in most terrain tracks don't show much anyway. Proponents of that idea may just be expressing frustration at an inability to track them.

Another 9.1 on the contradiction scale. *cough* Skookum. *cough*

 

[LAL]

If not quite a battle of the gods, certainly a quarrel among the Church Fathers.

The religious analogies are irresistable, like chocolate-covered graham crackers only not as bad for you.

You might enjoy my favorite quote from Sam Harris (The End of Faith, pg. 73):

"Jesus Christ - who, it turns out, was born of a virgin, cheated death, and rose bodily into the heavens - can now be eaten in the form of a cracker."

Good thing I wasn't holding a cup of anything when I read that.

 

[LTC8K6]

Another 9.1 on the contradiction scale. *cough* Skookum. *cough*

They do whatever is convenient for the believers at the time.

 

[LTC8K6]

Their tracks match whatever it's convenient for them to match.

 

[LAL]

Another 9.1 on the contradiction scale. *cough* Skookum. *cough*

Of those on the expedition, Thom Powell and Matt Moneymaker thought the lack of prints was evidence of track-hiding, but considering the mudhole was right next to a road and the ground was hard and gravelly right next to it, that explanation hardly seems necessary.

 

[LAL]

*cough* Skookum. *cough*

Do you need a cough drop? I've got plenty.

I PMd Kathy. Maybe she'll realize you guys are nice, polite bunch and come back.

 

[kitakaze]

Bigfoot excuses are imploding before us left and right and I'm really starting to think this thread has been the best I've ever seen for productive criticism on the subject.

 

[LAL]

Haven't seen much, have you?