Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

[LAL]

Coleman aims both barrels at John Green and James Randi

He even seems to suggest that if skeptics are given access to the Skookum Cast, they might hit it with a sledgehammer.

Coleman would seem to well on his way to joining you guys. Scott Herriot should have been here years ago.

This is one of my favorite John Green quotes:

"Scott

You have long since earned your place in the ranks of those who weren't
there and don't know what they are talking about. March shoulder to shoulder
with Daegling, Chorvinsky ,et al, as far as you like, reality remains the
same. The tracks in question were what they were and. ample evidence still
exists. There is very little excuse for anyone who wants to argue about them
let alone write a book, to do so without first investigating. As for a
scientist like Daegling, who has a rigid standard of proof for what he
chooses not to believe and no standard at all for what suits his fancy,
there is no excuse possible."

John Green
Harrison Hot Springs

 

[LTC8K6]

Coleman aims both barrels at John Green and James Randi

Green should just bail on those tracks and move on. They are such obvious fakes. He was fooled. It happens to everyone.

Of course Meldrum can't see that they are fakes, either.....and he really ought not to be fooled by those silly things....

 

[William Parcher]

Green is a true believer and so it is no surprise that he talks like one. Because he truly believes, he will never let his noggin entertain the notion that all of the tracks are fake. His attitude and posturing is ugly, but apparently he has that personality when defending Bigfoot. It fits the cult in most ways and he is a personal hero to many. It looks like he wants to give heretics the boot (or at least those that don't hang on his every word). None of it should be a big surprise.

Coleman is not likely to switch to strong Bigfoot skepticism. At that moment, his paychecks vanish. He may increase his skepticism about aspects of the Bigfoot "question", but do not expect him to cut the legs right out from under the Big Monkey.

 

[Gbob]

You have just demonstrated you don't have a clue.

Indeed, I evidently do not! You see, I always assumed (in retrospect a naive assumption) that all animals share common traits. The Bigfoot community has shown me that this is not so. The great apes, perhaps a relative of our shaggy friends, are easy to find. One finds evidence of their habitats, bones, hair samples, etc. Apes seem to be unable to tell when a person has a camera or not. They also lack the ability to magically disappear whenever people are near. Not like the Bigfoot at all. (Then again, primates are diurnal and don't just sneak out at night like Bigfeet seem to do.)

So please, if you would be so kind, illuminate me how an undiscovered species of 8 foot anthropoids could possibly have remained hidden for so long. Explain to me how they can be walking around, scaring rednecks and leaving footprints all over the place while, at the same time, leaving no evidence whatsoever of their passage. Tell me how any species could possibly not being extinct despite having such an amazingly low breeding population.

Tell me how in an age of planes flying over head, spotting all nature of large animals, Bigfeet can remain unspotted. (They are as afraid of planes as they are of bears and cameras, of course)

As you said, I have no clue and can only look to wildlife experts like you to illuminate me!

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Coleman would seem to well on his way to joining you guys. Scott Herriot should have been here years ago.

This is one of my favorite John Green quotes:

"Scott

You have long since earned your place in the ranks of those who weren't
there and don't know what they are talking about. March shoulder to shoulder
with Daegling, Chorvinsky ,et al, as far as you like, reality remains the
same. The tracks in question were what they were and. ample evidence still
exists. There is very little excuse for anyone who wants to argue about them
let alone write a book, to do so without first investigating. As for a
scientist like Daegling, who has a rigid standard of proof for what he
chooses not to believe and no standard at all for what suits his fancy,
there is no excuse possible."

John Green
Harrison Hot Springs

Let us pray ...

 

[William Parcher]

Tell me how in an age of planes flying over head, spotting all nature of large animals, Bigfeet can remain unspotted. (They are as afraid of planes as they are of bears and cameras, of course)

Note also that when high-cost and high-technology searches are conducted to find missing or lost people in Bigfoot Country... they never find a Bigfoot instead or in addition to the missing individual. They use every search tactic known, including infrared from the air. THEY NEVER SEE ENORMOUS BIPEDS GLOWING ON THE SCREEN, NOR FIND EVIDENCE FOR THEM ON THE GROUND.

It is a very sensible question to ask - Where the hell is Bigfoot?

 

[LAL]

Grizzly habitat in Washington State:

http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/gap/gapdata/mammals/gifs/urar.gif

Counties:
Whatcom
Skagit
Snohomish
King
Okanogan
Chelan
Kittitas
Pend Oreille

- check.

Reported Sasquatch habitat in Washington State:

http://bfro.net/GDB/state_listing.asp?state=wa#map

Counties:
Whatcom
Skagit
Snohomish
King
Okanogan
Chelan
Kittitas
Pend Oreille

- check.

Your point? Western Washington is mountainous. East of there it's relatively flat and dry through the Paloose and the high desert. Grizzlies aren't an animal of the deep woods.

Maybe I should put this another way. They don't share the same biological niche. Neither do black bears and grizzlies. Sasquatches and Black Bear do.

Washington has some huge counties. Griz in King County doesn't mean they're in downtown Seattle.

 

[LTC8K6]

There was a massive search for D. B. Cooper, which turned up the body of a missing teen, but no Cooper and no sasquatch.

They still wander around out there looking for signs of Cooper...

 

[LAL]

Some of the money was found washed up on a shore of the Columbia. I hadn't heard about the girl.

 

[LAL]

So please, if you would be so kind, illuminate me how an undiscovered species of 8 foot anthropoids could possibly have remained hidden for so long.

Good question. Ask Science.

Explain to me how they can be walking around, scaring rednecks

Rednecks? What about Dr. Johnson, a psychologist, or the chief naturalist at Crater Lake, or a wildlife biologist who also found a signs of a kill? What about the thousands of reputable people who've had sightings? All "rednecks" in your book?

and leaving footprints all over the place while, at the same time, leaving no evidence whatsoever of their passage.

Footprints are evidence of their passage.

Tell me how any species could possibly not being extinct despite having such an amazingly low breeding population.

Counting Canada there are probably around 10,000 of them. There are only about 600 mountain gorillas left. That's amazingly low. It only takes a couple of thousand for a viable breeding population. What gave you the idea it's amazingly low?

Tell me how in an age of planes flying over head, spotting all nature of large animals, Bigfeet can remain unspotted. (They are as afraid of planes as they are of bears and cameras, of course)

Why would they be afraid of any of those? There's been at least one sighting from the air, but this is why:

http://unrnet.seismo.unr.edu/Aerials/part4.html

See all those elk and deer and coyotes under that dense canopy? Skookum Meadow's between the snowcaps. See it? Gets a little cloudy sometimes.

As you said, I have no clue and can only look to wildlife experts like you to illuminate me!

I'm no expert. Read Bindernagel. He's the expert.

http://www.bigfootbiologist.org/

 

[LAL]

Interlude -

Female chimps hunt with spears.

Now, that's interesting. Thanks

 

[LAL]

Since the link references a Paul Freeman "discovery," I think I can whole-heartedly agree that deliberate planting has occurred.

You have evidence he faked all that? Let's see it.

 

[William Parcher]

I've been so bored with Lu's inane predictability, that I'm watching Cultomongo more closely. Lu's posting of landscape photos is an attempted appeal to wonder - it's another obfuscation. At least they are pretty pictures.

I noticed that the "Wallace Line" thread had 37 comments and then suddenly had 34. It looks like at least 3 comments were deleted. The "$100,000 Prize" thread is another gem. The third god to watch is Rick Noll. It's a stormy day in Bigfootery Land and the dirt is flying. Will they wake up to find that a Caesar is dead?

Greg, them Bigfooters are gonna school you over there.

 

[William Parcher]

You have evidence he faked all that? Let's see it.

FOUL!

Ten yard loss for attempting to reverse the burden of proof.

 

[LAL]

Green should just bail on those tracks and move on. They are such obvious fakes. He was fooled. It happens to everyone.

You really don't know enough about it to have an opinion. Don Abbott was fooled too, I suppose. If you're that easily taken in by these absurd allegations, I'll give you a deal on a bridge.

Of course Meldrum can't see that they are fakes, either.....and he really ought not to be fooled by those silly things....

These are the silly things:

There were over a thousand prints in those trackways to begin with. You would have us believe Ray Wallace was up all night with armloads of fakes making them? Wasn't that one of the many times he wasn't even in the area?

 

[William Parcher]

You really don't know enough about it to have an opinion.

...because anyone who thinks Bigfoot is a myth has not got a clue.

If you're that easily taken in by these absurd allegations, I'll give you a deal on a bridge.

That bridge won't be called Bigfoot, because poor Lu already bought that one.

There were over a thousand prints in those trackways to begin with.

Let's see you try to prove that there were 1000+ prints. Don't be a slimeball and ask anyone to prove that there weren't. You have not advanced one step beyond using anecdote as evidence for a real Bigfoot.

 

[Gbob]

You do realize that planes can, and do, fly lower than the pictures you showed, right? You also realize that cloud cover is variable? Mind you, it's quite possible that your views on meteorology might be as....interesting....as your views on zoology so I won't take anything for granted.

10,000? Really? Who counted them, if I may be so bold? Must have missed that issue of national geographic, but then again I only read the magazine for the half clad natives.

The gorillas, of course, may only number 600 but they sure are far easier to find than your Bigfeet! Then again, with their odd gorilla habits of leaving bones everywhere and being hunted by natives we had a pretty good idea where to look. We could also find nesting areas, fur samples, bones, etc. Amazing how much easier 600 gorillas in Africa are to find rather than 10,000 8 foot tall creatures in Washington State. If only those Gorillas had the same magic abilities as the Bigfeet, perhaps that Jane Godall wench wouldn't have been bothering them. Well, I'm sure that when European explorers reach the wilds of the pacific NW and start building cities, we may have a chance yet.

You see, that's why I am convinced that you have discovered a species that doesn't need to breed. Like the Loch Ness monster, there must be fewer than 10 to be able not to leave any evidence whatsoever. Once again, I may be mistaken. Those years of biology have left me woefully unprepared for the world of Bigfeet.

Here's the thing. The Nessie folks are off their rockers, but at least they have the courage of their convictions to actually haul sonar to the lake despite years of failures, and those pesky skeptical scientists. Bigfeet folks, not so much. They seem reluctant to do anything other than to pour over footprints and campfire tales.

 

[LAL]

FOUL!

Ten yard loss for attempting to reverse the burden of proof.

The burden of proof is on the claimant.

 

[Yeah_Right]

Thousands of footprints? One would at least think there'd be pictures of those as well as the casts. I know, I know, never any cameras around to record such wonderful things. Lal, actually you're the one claiming the thousands of prints, so you have the burden.

 

[William Parcher]

The burden of proof is on the claimant.

You betcha! Bigfooters are claiming they are the tracks of a Bigfoot.

You are even worse than a slimeball, and have been penalized another 10 yards.