Gun Control is ridiculous

[Molinaro]

Sympathy? What on earth are you talking about sympathy for?

The point of that line is that if criminals don't expect people to have guns in their homes, they won't:

1) break in looking for guns
2) bring a gun to shoot back

That comment was about protecting the homeowner by not making themselves a target.

Did I imply that every home owner stores their gun carelessly?
Are you implying that no gun in the hands of a criminal was original owned by a lawfull gun owner?

I don't believe that guns are in any way necessary for anyone outside law enforcement and the military. I wasn't brainwashed into that belief. It's a formed opinion based on personal experience hanging around law abiding citizens, and criminals.

 

[HarryKeogh]

Don't criminals feel a need to carry guns because they are afraid law abiding citizens are going to have one to use against them?

I think they carry guns because it's a lot easier to get somone's wallet or force a woman to have sex with you when you have a gun pointed at their face.

 

[pipelineaudio]

I've never considered protection to be my job. That's the responsibility of law enforcement (and the military).

Nice candy-ass neighborhood you grew up in!

Don't criminals feel a need to carry guns because they are afraid law abiding citizens are going to have one to use against them?

unreal

 

[Molinaro]

Nice candy-ass neighborhood you grew up in!




unreal

And am I to believe that the absurd amount of guns legaly put in the bad-ass neighbourhoods has nothing to do with them being bad-ass neighbourhoods?

 

[Skibum]

I've never considered protection to be my job. That's the responsibility of law enforcement

You will be surprised to find out that the supreme court has ruled that the police have no duty or responsibilty to protect you.

 

[Azure]

Sympathy? What on earth are you talking about sympathy for?

The point of that line is that if criminals don't expect people to have guns in their homes, they won't:

1) break in looking for guns
2) bring a gun to shoot back

That comment was about protecting the homeowner by not making themselves a target.

Did I imply that every home owner stores their gun carelessly?
Are you implying that no gun in the hands of a criminal was original owned by a lawfull gun owner?

I don't believe that guns are in any way necessary for anyone outside law enforcement and the military. I wasn't brainwashed into that belief. It's a formed opinion based on personal experience hanging around law abiding citizens, and criminals.

No you're the one implying that every homeowner stores their guns carelessly, since you think criminals can break into any home that has guns and steal them.

Guns aren't necessary? Tell me smart-ass, where do you get your meat from?

Your argument is dumb. Just plain dumb. Perhaps we should start banning money too, because we ALL know criminals break into houses to rob the owners of their money.

By George...

 

[Ranb]

What about the killings that result from someone using a "household gun"?

Will "education" prevent those?.....

Since some gun deaths in the home are accidental, education can help. Why is this not obvious to you?

Ranb

 

[Ranb]

.....I have never been in a situation where I have thought "I wish I had a gun."

I have been in two situations where I wished I had a gun, but I was able to just simply walk away (run in one case). One other time I was glad I was armed, but that was another walk-away situation. Three times in 40 plus years is not bad in my opinion.

Ranb

 

[Skibum]

I have been in two situations where I wished I had a gun, but I was able to just simply walk away (run in one case). One other time I was glad I was armed, but that was another walk-away situation. Three times in 40 plus years is not bad in my opinion.

Ranb

I'm sure there are quite a few out there that wished they had a gun at one time or another, unfortunately many of them probably aren't alive anymore to tell us.

 

[Dr Adequate]

To a certain extent, gun control laws are absolutely ridiuclous. Businesses will post signs outside saying no firearms allowed.

What does that have to do with "gun control laws"?

Surely this is just that good ol' law that says I can choose who gets to enter my private property.

The Dems love their gun control laws but yet they do not seem to have effected anything. Waiting periods are imposed and there are background checks, but a criminal can get a gun on the street just as easy.

And if he's caught in possession of such a gun?

Then you know that he's a criminal and can throw the book at him.

Is that not how it works?

 

[fuelair]

Guys, always remember, when someone is coming at you with a knife, instead of shooting him, drop your gun and surrender.

I went through a 4 week firearm safety course this past year, not necessarily because I need to defend myself, but because my family owns guns, and I wanted to feel comfortable around them.

Arguing against guns is like arguing against alcohol. Sure alcohol will limit your abilities to function as a normal human being, and perhaps put you in life threatening situations, but thats YOUR fault.

Same thing with guns.

And that way he can cut you up without danger to himself. Have you left something out here? Are you thinking about the 21 foot/gun not already drawn rule and mis-stating it?

 

[Azure]

And that way he can cut you up without danger to himself. Have you left something out here? Are you thinking about the 21 foot/gun not already drawn rule and mis-stating it?

I was being sarcastic.

Thats one of the biggest problems I have with gun control advocates. Instead of taking the protection of your own life, into YOUR hands, they want you to put that burden on the criminal approaching you.

Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside, knowing that.

 

[Yjacket]

I've never considered protection to be my job. That's the responsibility of law enforcement (and the military).

Not in the United States. It has been ruled by the courts that LEO's have no responsibility to protect an individual. Their task is protection of the group by catching and incarceration after the fact.

It is often said that criminals can "just get a gun off the street". Is that not only true because 50 million + guns are manufactured each year.

Where does the quantity of 50 million + come from. I doubt that is the quantity made for civilian consumption.

Is that not also true because guns bought by law abiding citizens are being stolen and put on the street?

First of all you are speaking of a couple of illegal acts taking place here, burglary and theft. So to prevent crime we should make the law-abiding more compliant?

Does it not make sense that if guns are harder to get, overall, that they would also be harder to get by the criminals?

Not at all, if you are speaking of the law-abiding. Firearms are illegally manufactured and smuggled already. The programs that I see on the tube lead me to believe that the criminal can acquire a firearm with a lot less trouble and aggravation than I.

Don't criminals feel a need to carry guns because they are afraid law abiding citizens are going to have one to use against them?

Another way to put it very simply if the criminal were not up to no good why would he be concerned that a law-abiding citizen is armed?

It seems the problem that needs fixing is with law enforcement and not a lack of guns in the home.

Now you are getting the idea. Enforce the existing laws.

 

[Yjacket]

And if he's caught in possession of such a gun?

Then you know that he's a criminal and can throw the book at him.

Is that not how it works?

No, unfortunately that is not how it works. All too frequently I read of plea bargins where the bad guy pleads guilty to a crime of robbery in exchange for the crime of a felon in possession of a firearm is droped.

 

[Quad4_72]

You know what really underlies your post? Fear. Fear that sometime, somewhere, you will need to protect yourself and you won't have a gun to do it.

Why yes, that is indeed a possibility. I am in the Army and I have been trained to be prepared for any situation. There is a possibility that a situation could come up where I would need a gun to protect myself.

The real is question is, why? Why are you so afraid? I have never been in a situation where I have thought "I wish I had a gun." I have never felt unsafe in my home. I don't feel unsafe outside of my home. I am curious as to why you do - do you live in a bad neighbourhood? Have you previously been a victim of crime? Or is it just a sort of general unwariness (or is it a more severe paranoia?)

You have never been in that situation. Awesome. That is what we all hope for. Are you now impying that it is not possible? Let me ask you this. If me and you were walking down the street and a couple of people decided to attack us, would you be happy that I had a gun on me? I would hope that you would, because I will be damned if I am going to be left undefended.

You know the shooting at the mall in Utah recently? I used to live 15 min from that mall. I used to go there often. Don't assume that crime can't happen to you. Just because it has not happened in the past does not mean that it is not a possibility. I personally know of 5 people just off the top of my head who live around me that have gotten their houses broken into. There was a shooting a block away from me. Why be a victim when you can actively defend yourself?

 

[baron]

I lock my guns up, in a gun safe, where only I know the code to get in. How the hell does a criminal get his hands on my guns?

I guess a gun in your temple and "give me your guns" would do the trick.

People who keep guns in the house are more likely to be victims of gun crime than those that do not. The idea that most murders are committed by outsiders breaking in armed with guns is pure fantasy.

[FONT=arial, helvetica]After controlling for these characteristics, we found that keeping a gun in the home was strongly and independently associated with an increased risk of homicide (adjusted odds ratio, 2.7; 95 percent confidence interval, 1.6 to 4.4)[/FONT]

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/329/15/1084

Guns aren't necessary? Tell me smart-ass, where do you get your meat from?

I don't get this - can you explain.

I'm all for being empowered to protect me and my family, but I know that tooling up with weaponry isn't the way to do it.

 

[CFLarsen]

Hmmm....nothing new so far.

Why is it assumed that only criminals use guns in a bad way? Home owners with gun training don't kill people?

Anyone with a gun may be a criminal or not. But anyone with a gun has a great potential of becoming a very lethal criminal.

A criminal has to start somewhere being a criminal. But if he has a gun, he starts big.

 

[Garrette]

You know what really underlies your post? Fear. Fear that sometime, somewhere, you will need to protect yourself and you won't have a gun to do it.

Just as the call for mandatory seat-belts is an indication of underlying fear of a car accident, yes?

The real is question is, why? Why are you so afraid? I have never been in a situation where I have thought "I wish I had a gun."

I have, on three occasions I can remember, none of which include my time in a combat zone. On one occasion I had my weapon on me, concealed. On another, it was just inside the door while I was outside. On the third, I didn't have it. None of these occurred in bad neighborhoods; two of them were me on my own property.

I have never felt unsafe in my home. I don't feel unsafe outside of my home. I am curious as to why you do - do you live in a bad neighbourhood?

If he does will you grant him special dispensation to carry a weapon or will you tell him 'tough luck?'

Have you previously been a victim of crime? Or is it just a sort of general unwariness (or is it a more severe paranoia?)

You can seriously think of no other alternatives?

 

[baron]

Why be a victim when you can actively defend yourself?

As an Army man I would have expected you to see the foolishness of your words. Perhaps you are trained in the use of guns, and perhaps you would use a gun wisely and accurately. If I walk down the street with Average Joe, who is carrying a gun, and we are attacked, he's much more likely to shoot me, or himself, or have the gun taken off him and rammed up his a55 than to save the day.

 

[Garrette]

As an Army man I would have expected you to see the foolishness of your words. Perhaps you are trained in the use of guns, and perhaps you would use a gun wisely and accurately. If I walk down the street with Average Joe, who is carrying a gun, and we are attacked, he's much more likely to shoot me, or himself, or have the gun taken off him and rammed up his a55 than to save the day.

Is this the bulk of your concern?

Then I might suggest mandatory training classes for firearm ownership as opposed to banning.

Serious classes, not the paperwork drills most states require for concealed carry.