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Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

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Jokes aren't lies. But you never hesitate to insert your own mediocre blabber. You won't catch me calling you smart. I might say that you are slick in an obviously bad way.

This is where I came in isn't it, with insults instead of debate?

I object to the stereotyping that goes on on this board, and I'm glad some people have seen through it. I can only hope a few of you will grow up (if you don't get waylaid in an alley first for pulling the attitude in the wrong place at the wrong time).

I've spent time in the PNW wilderness on numerous occasions. I agree it's beautiful.

What part? (I'm glad to see you're not so insensitive you didn't notice.)
 
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Yeah, you've posted that before. It's too big; it's messing up the thread! ;)
 
It's not that dificult to find reports and pictures of natural bear deaths. While quite a few are cubs, there are adults as well, such as the female that fell off a cliff.

People fall off cliffs, too.

But not bigfoot....
 
But...b-b-b-b-but...b-b-b-but Krantz said that's impossible!
Those damned field biologists must be lying!
In fact, they probably don't even exist!
All good 'footers know biologists never go into the field!
 
I think we've made it pretty clear Grizzly and sasquatch territories don't tend to overlap. Dr. Daegling made a big deal out of finding a bear skull in eastern Oregon, but conditions are different there. Piles of elk bones can be found where it's drier, but there's hardly a femur on the western slopes of the Cascades, despite an abundant elk population.

There just aren't many people getting off the roads and trails and into the really rugged country, so even if a sas corpse were lying out in the open it's unlikely anyone would find it before the scavenger system did.
 
Wow.
Remarkably unremarkable.
Yet another Bigfoot myth shot down in living color.
So that leaves us with....ummm...oh yeah, lots of cool stories.
Hey have you heard the one about the Bigfoot in the microwave?
It's TRUE! Happened to a friend of my cousin!
 
AAACK!

I guess the AAH graveyard could be completely filled with stuff from this thread...

Architeuthis giant squids were not described by cryptozoologists.
None of the mammals recently found in Vietnam, Europe, Africa, Papua-New Guinea, New Zealand, Borneo, etc. were found by cryptozoologists.

Cryptozoologists and their fans, however, seem to be quite good at complaining against "mainstream science", "skeptics", "denialists", twisting myths, spreading misinformation, providing lame excuses to explain why the subjects of their studies are never found, etc.

But when it comes to actually finding their study subjects...
 
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AAACK!

I guess the AAH graveyard could be completely filled with stuff from this thread...

Architeuthis giant squids were not described by cryptozoologists.
None of the mammals recently found in Vietnam, Europe, Africa, Papua-New Guinea, New Zealand, Borneo, etc. were found by cryptozoologists.

Cryptozoologists and their fans, however, seem to be quite good at complaining against "mainstream science", "skeptics", "denialists", twisting myths, spreading misinformation, providing lame excuses to explain why the subjects of their studies are never found, etc.

But when it comes to actually finding their study subjects...


Many of the fans seem to suffer some sort of inferiority complex. They actually personally despise anyone with higher education, particularly if their opinions differ. They constantly attack scholars, scientists, wildlife biologists, biochemists, and anyone else who knows more than them and has done more than them.

The fans also seem to mostly have very ordinary, very boring lives and need these monsters to make things interesting. Otherwise, they have nothing. By latching on to others' ideas (appeals to authority), they stand out from the crowd and feel as if they are privy to some "inside information" when in fact they're simply parroting what someone else is saying. But they get a boost when they think they are in possession of some "secret knowledge" that they percieve as putting them on par with real-live scientists.
Sad really.
 
I think we've made it pretty clear Grizzly and sasquatch territories don't tend to overlap. Dr. Daegling made a big deal out of finding a bear skull in eastern Oregon, but conditions are different there. Piles of elk bones can be found where it's drier, but there's hardly a femur on the western slopes of the Cascades, despite an abundant elk population.

There just aren't many people getting off the roads and trails and into the really rugged country, so even if a sas corpse were lying out in the open it's unlikely anyone would find it before the scavenger system did.

Of course their territories don't overlap. How can something real overlap with something imaginary?
If a sas did exist, would they not also be like bears and find food in the easiest places - garbage dumps etc.... ? Or if you believe that they are highly intelligent would they not try to communicate with the other upright humanoids in the forest?

Sasquatches and Yetis are not real. They are a fairy tale invented by tribal peoples to keep the young ones from running off from camp and nothing more.
 
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As far as I have ascertained, Huntster's eventual banning was not the sole result of conduct restricted to this thread.

It wasn't. He said so himself.

He wanted to go out fighting and he did. I think he'll be happier elsewhere. He was tired of "such people". I've checked out a few posts on another thread and it does seem like little but a flame war.

I'm not much for any kind of extremism, even when it's coming from other non-theists.

And that's the end of anything I have to say in-thread on the matter.

Then let's get back to intelligence. The average sasquatch brain size has been estimated at up to 770cc, assuming a trend like other great apes.

"Finally, scaling of body weight to brain size in primates has been pursued by numerous authors (e.g., Armstrong 1985, Martin 1984, Martin and Har*vey 1985, Stephan 1972), all of whom provide allometric formulae. An exploration of these leads to various results, with the brain size of the av*erage Sasquatch ranging up to 770 cc. This estimate could be grossly in error if it is subsequently found that the Sasquatch has evolved a brain size above the trend applicable to the great apes. By comparison, the brain of mountain gorillas averages 532 cc, with a range from 420—685 cc (Raven 1950). I am loath to pursue this subject in view of the uneven brain evolution among the primates, the absence of head anatomy for the Sasquatch, and the diversity of scaling formulae. In the absence of any reports of cultural traits or fire use, very minimal and primitive tool use, and inferred low sociality for the Sasquatch, we are reduced to conjectures regarding their need to remember a presumptive large home range."

http://www.bfro.net/REF/THEORIES/WHF/FahrenbachArticle.htm
 
Many of the fans seem to suffer some sort of inferiority complex. They actually personally despise anyone with higher education, particularly if their opinions differ. They constantly attack scholars, scientists, wildlife biologists, biochemists, and anyone else who knows more than them and has done more than them.

My, how you've changed.

"Sounds good.
I've got chunks of days free around Christmas, mid-March, Easter, then at the end of the spring semester in early May. Also again in mid-August. But if there's a time that's better, we can work on that too. I'll have to juggle a bit of my teaching load and get some other faculty to cover a day or two maybe, but hey...it'd be worth it.
I'll bring the Pabst and the J&B!
It's great that the kind of scientific-nonprofessional work that so many have lamented never occurs is finally going to happen!
Let's go bag a hominid...or at least get some tracks for analysis!" - Desertyeti, Sep 23 2004, 12:32 PM

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=7215&st=50&p=144984&#entry144984

How did that work out?
 
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This claim is made because there should be conflicts between sasquatch and grizzly/brown bears and evidence of same.

To explain that lack of conflict and lack of evidence of same, you invent the idea that the two don't compete.
 
Sasquatches and Yetis are not real. They are a fairy tale invented by tribal peoples to keep the young ones from running off from camp and nothing more.

Yeah, just forget the physical evidence and the thousands of credible sightings by people with no kids in the camp.

Autumn Williams points out most people get their ideas about the phenomenon from a biased media and suggests we ask, "What qualifies you to be a sceptic?"

What does?
 
This claim is made because there should be conflicts between sasquatch and grizzly/brown bears and evidence of same.

To explain that lack of conflict and lack of evidence of same, you invent the idea that the two don't compete.

I didn't invent that. I'm not sure who came up with the diurnal vs. nocturnal argument for the overlap with Black Bears, but the competition would be for the same foodstuffs and wouldn't necessarily result in hand to paw combat.

Grizzly habitat isn't what sasquatches seem to prefer.
 
Diet and Digestion

The sasquatch is an omnivore with a substantial carnivorous component to its diet. They have been observed directly to eat leaves, berries, fruits, roots, aquatic plants and other vegetable matter, catch fish, dig up clams or ground squirrels, and prey on poultry, deer, elk and bear. In addition, they eat other odd items, such as young evergreen shoots, crayfish, road kill, meat or fish from human storage sites, hunter-killed game animals (these sometimes snatched in front of the hunter), and occasional garbage. They take an occasional livestock animal, but not with sufficient frequency as to produce organized persecution.

They appear to kill large prey animals by a blow with the fist, rock or stick or by twisting their necks, sometimes to the point of decapitation. Liver and other internal organs are their first targets. The remaining meat is sometimes stored on the ground under a haphazard shelter of sticks or lifted into tree forks above ground. No compelling evidence exists that they store food in any substantial way beyond this; only rarely has a sasquatch been observed carrying a fish some distance from its origin, or a deer, presumably into hiding.

Caloric requirements per gram of living matter decrease as a function of total mass of the animal. Nonetheless, the nutritional needs of an average sasquatch can be calculated to amount to about 5,000 calories per day. This amount can only be fulfilled by rather constant searching for food and especially by intermittent predation. Sasquatches have been seen both with substantial girth as well as looking decidedly skinny.

Drinking has been observed by small animals dipping their faces into the water, while adults commonly drink out of a cupped hand, or resort to a cupped leaf or a dry, hollow stem of a weed.

Their feces are sausage-shaped, up to 4" inches in diameter and up to three feet long, forming a folded heap. They are replete with numerous intestinal parasites, including hook worms, as well as small bones, hair of prey and ample vegetal matter. A sasquatch has been observed to wipe itself with its hand and lick its fingers briefly, a decidedly simian gesture.

But they don't compete with the bears.....
 
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