Black in America

TragicMonkey said:
Really? So, when will white people be the minority in America? Next year? Three years? I think you're exaggerating the percentages here. I live in the South, in an area that has a far greater percentage of ethnic minorities than much of America, and I can still see white people practically everywhere.

As for "destroyed as an entity", it's news to me that white people had the sort of cohesion required to form an entity. The only people I can think of who identify themselves as "white" (as opposed to Irish or Southern or English or Polish or whatever) are white supremacists, and they're not a majority.
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Dear TM,

The final solution to the race problem is being carried out in the form of de facto genocide of the white race. The white race has a suicidally low birthrate, and historically speaking is not long for this world, barring some miracle. That is the problem being addressed, of national groups being dispossessed and marginalised and, ultimately, absorbed and destroyed as distinct groups.

Cpl Ferro
 
CplFerro said:
Dear TM,

The final solution to the race problem is being carried out in the form of de facto genocide of the white race. The white race has a suicidally low birthrate, and historically speaking is not long for this world, barring some miracle. That is the problem being addressed, of national groups being dispossessed and marginalised and, ultimately, absorbed and destroyed as distinct groups.

Cpl Ferro
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Dear Susan Peanut,

Your stairs do not meet the required building code for your locality, as they fall significantly short of the attic doorway. People deciding to have fewer children, which has not been proven, incidentally, does not equal genocide. Not even "de facto" genocide. Nor have you demonstrated that demographic shifts of this nature are in fact "problems" of any kind, much less serious-sounding ones involving words like "dispossessed", "marginalized", and "destroyed". It is a matter of some amusement to me that you attempt to make a case that the majority is a persecuted minority.

I'm sure everyone would delight and amaze in any sort of facts or evidence you can bring to bear for any one of your assertions, ranging from birth rate statistics to "the white race" existing as a "national group" to the alleged "dispossession" going on. Provided, of course, that you can manage to stay online long enough to post any before roving gangs of jackbooted minorities break through your perimeter defenses in their fiendish attempt to lower your birthrate or marginalize you.

Love Always,

Sane Person

PS: Have you noticed what's been going on in weekend Sears newspaper advertisements?
 
TragicMonkey said:
Dear Susan Peanut,
PS: Have you noticed what's been going on in weekend Sears newspaper advertisements?
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Let me guess: they dissed Hispanics by not including a token one in their ads again. Bet ya they had the token black and orien...OOPS "Asian American"...though.

Nothing new in this friggin racist country. :mad:

But there's good news for Hispanics (and bad for us evil ol whiteys) - pretty soon, as the Cpl rightly suspected, this country will be indistinguishable from freakin Mexico:

http://www.childtrendsdatabank.org/indicators/79BirthRates.cfm


Oh yeah and unless things have radically changed in the last few years, Britian is in deep doo-doo as well:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1556901.stm
 
bigred said:
Let me guess: they dissed Hispanics by not including a token one in their ads again. Bet ya they had the token black and orien...OOPS "Asian American"...though.

Nothing new in this friggin racist country. :mad:
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It was a reference to a poster named Patrick. He had a thing going for a long while about how Sears advertisements were part of a wideranging conspiracy plot to get white women for black men. He'd go through all the pages of all those glossy ads in the Sunday paper, noting the colors and sexes of all the models, and how close they were to each other on the page, and deriving much significance therein. A black man in a turtleneck is smiling two inches away from a white woman in a turtleneck, but the white man is in a cardigan and he's separated from the white woman by a block of text! RACE PLOT!!! That sort of thing.

But there's good news for Hispanics (and bad for us evil ol whiteys) - pretty soon, as the Cpl rightly suspected, this country will be indistinguishable from freakin Mexico:

http://www.childtrendsdatabank.org/indicators/79BirthRates.cfm


Oh yeah and unless things have radically changed in the last few years, Britian is in deep doo-doo as well:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1556901.stm
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Firstly, why would a changing ethnic demographic proportion be inherently bad (or "deep doo-doo"?)

Secondly, if the reason is birthrate declining, does that mean that certain ethnicities should reproduce more, even if they don't want to?

Thirdly, what about the connection between having lots of children and being poor? The more educated you are, the less likely you are to have lots of children. Would it really be in anybody's interest to increase the size but decrease the wealth of an ethnic majority?

Fourthly: Catholicism. Hispanics are more likely to be Catholic, and Catholics are supposed to not use birth control. Of course the birthrate will be higher. Until recent immigrants get Americanized, anyway, and start using common sense and turn into Cafeteria Catholics like most American Catholics. That happens right about the time someone who was one of eleven kids gets married and starts planning their own family. (I'm sure my own family's experience cannot be unique, but I'm not sure where to find any statistics for it. Irish Catholics--my great-grandparents had eleven children. Those of the eleven who had kids themselves limited it to three or less. And so did their children, which brings us to my generation, who are all either Lapsed or outright atheist and with only one exception we're all either not having children or waiting until we're financially set up for one. The result: fewer people, but those fewer are much much better off than the passel of impoverished ethnics our predecessors were. But then, we're not Irish anymore. We're Americans.)

Fifthly: America will never be "indistinguishable from Mexico". The Mexicans who come here to stay come because they'd prefer the US to Mexico. They wouldn't remake it in Mexico's image. The only change they'll create is to add a little color, in every sense, to the melting pot.
 
TragicMonkey said:
It was a reference to a poster named Patrick. He had a thing going for a long while about how Sears advertisements were part of a wideranging conspiracy plot to get white women for black men. He'd go through all the pages of all those glossy ads in the Sunday paper, noting the colors and sexes of all the models, and how close they were to each other on the page, and deriving much significance therein. A black man in a turtleneck is smiling two inches away from a white woman in a turtleneck, but the white man is in a cardigan and he's separated from the white woman by a block of text! RACE PLOT!!! That sort of thing..
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ah. Well Pat, wherever you are, the ads even if true frankly don't matter. Black is again very "cool" and white women are going to black guys in droves. Apparently the myth is true. :covereyes

Firstly, why would a changing ethnic demographic proportion be inherently bad (or "deep doo-doo"?)
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I think we need some kind of tongue-in-cheek smiley.....guess I shoulda thrown up a ":cool:" or something. Anyway whether it's inherently good or bad or both or neither is of course highly subjective; I was just tossing out the info as you'd asked, so sue me you drunk cop or whatever you micks do nowdays ;)


Thirdly, what about the connection between having lots of children and being poor?
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I have always found this bizarre,....unless one is "forced" to not use birth control due to one's beliefs (or is married to an ugly person or etc) why the flip wouldn't you?? Gee I can't afford kids at all....I think I'll have lots! :boggled:


Fourthly: Catholicism. Hispanics are more likely to be Catholic, and Catholics are supposed to not use birth control.
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emphasis mine :)

Until recent immigrants get Americanized, anyway, and start using common sense and turn into Cafeteria Catholics like most American Catholics.
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Why do you assume they haven't you freakin racist?

we're not Irish anymore. We're Americans.
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You mean you're "Irish Americans." Don't diss your heritage.
 
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bigred said:
ah. Well Pat, wherever you are, the ads even if true frankly don't matter. Black is again very "cool" and white women are going to black guys in droves. Apparently the myth is true. :covereyes
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No, no. Pink is the new black. All the white women are going after gay men these days.

I have always found this bizarre,....unless one is "forced" to not use birth control due to one's beliefs (or is married to an ugly person or etc) why the flip wouldn't you?? Gee I can't afford kids at all....I think I'll have lots! :boggled:
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I think it's more along the lines of Lack of $$ = less education, less education = less career potential, less career potential = why not have lots of kids.

Why do you assume they haven't you freakin racist?
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I'm assuming such because of the birthrate itself. But then, I have difficulty understanding why anyone would rush into childbearing. I assumed there had to be a supernatural explanation.
 
TragicMonkey said:
No, no. Pink is the new black. All the white women are going after gay men these days.
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Well THAT sure will put a dent in the population.


I think it's more along the lines of Lack of $$ = less education, less education = less career potential, less career potential = why not have lots of kids.
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um because you're broke and so it's incredibly stupid?


I'm assuming such because of the birthrate itself. But then, I have difficulty understanding why anyone would rush into childbearing. I assumed there had to be a supernatural explanation.
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Nah just down-to-Earth stupidity, on massive scale. A highly defining characteristic of mankind.
 
AmateurScientist said:
Hmmm...wikipedia has a very thought-provoking entry entitled "black people." If you have the time and inclination, it's worth the read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people

I found the distinction between how black is commonly defined in the US contrasted with the way black and white are defined in Brazil to be particularly interesting. Also, the positive and negative effects on black persons in the US of the "one drop rule" are discussed. It's pretty illuminating.

AS
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The wiki on the "one drop rule"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

In my opinion, there is no functional one-drop rule in America. 30% of white people in America have recent, traceable, sub-saharan african heritage. That's over twice as many people as are black-identified in America, over 70 million people. This is according to research of folks like Dr. Shriver (I believe of Penn State).
 
Dave1001 said:
The wiki on the "one drop rule"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

In my opinion, there is no functional one-drop rule in America. 30% of white people in America have recent, traceable, sub-saharan african heritage. That's over twice as many people as are black-identified in America, over 70 million people. This is according to research of folks like Dr. Shriver (I believe of Penn State).
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The one drop rule would be especially problematic in America, because most people are not that familiar with their actual geneology. Sure, if you ask a white American, they'll start saying "Irish and English and Scottish and German", but it's very unlikely they'll be able to give you even the names of their great-grandparents, much less anything further back. So their "heritage" is really just word-of-mouth, taken-on-faith, I-think-Gramps-said-Scot.

Heck, my grandfather is a terrible racist, and his family is entirely Southern. When he got into geneology, we all said he'd stop the minute he found a black person in the family tree. Sure enough, for a while he stopped research and refused to discuss it. He's still cagey on the subject, but my theory is that the "Indian princess" many Southerners claim to have in the ancestry wasn't, in my ancestress's case, quite that Indian.
 
TragicMonkey said:
The one drop rule would be especially problematic in America, because most people are not that familiar with their actual geneology.
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If you ever want a good laugh, go to Stormfront for this very conversation.

Ruling prejudice there is "one drop and you're a n*****/Jew/whatever". Must be hell for the KKK to ensure purity these days.
 
Dave1001 said:
The wiki on the "one drop rule"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

In my opinion, there is no functional one-drop rule in America. 30% of white people in America have recent, traceable, sub-saharan african heritage. That's over twice as many people as are black-identified in America, over 70 million people. This is according to research of folks like Dr. Shriver (I believe of Penn State).
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I don't disagree.

Did you read my link to the wiki entry? The point I made about the discussion there was about the contrast in the American legacy versus Brazilian legacy of the "one drop rule." They are polar opposites of each other.

Actually, there is a one-drop rule in America. Read about Mostafa Hefny's efforts to get himself legally redefined as "black" rather than "white" in that link for an example. Also, see the section discussing how some persons, including some black American commentators, believe that a functional "one drop rule" in the US serves to benefit black Americans, and without it, they would lose a lot culturally, economically, and legally. I found it to be an interesting counterpoint to how we traditionally think of the "one drop rule" as being an obsolete relic of oppressive racial discrimination in the US.

AS
 
TragicMonkey said:
... but my theory is that the "Indian princess" many Southerners claim to have in the ancestry wasn't ... quite that Indian.
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Yeah, I think if you sat down and extrapolated the numbers from the sense you get from talking to many people in the south about their supposed Indian family ancestries, you would discover that there were a hell of a lot of slutty Indian princesses a hundred years ago! They must have made a killing in the brothels.

"Poke a Hotness," eh? OK, here's $200. What I want to know is where is all this hidden money? I want my rightful share of it.

AS
 
nails3jesus0 said:
My father got mistaken for being half black, or a native american, or hispanic ALL THE TIME. Hes white, so is his entire family.

I also knew a girl who was 25%black, 25%cherokee, and 50% white who thought she was a mexican until about middle school.

I guess its not all that clear.


then there are people that are of unclear racial origins, like jessica alba- i have no idea what race she is.
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There are deviants from the norm all the time. Are you saying that my assertion that "any 5-year old can tell who is who in a lineup of an Eskimo, a Massai, an Indian, and a Lapp." is wrong?
 
DanishDynamite said:
There are deviants from the norm all the time. Are you saying that my assertion that "any 5-year old can tell who is who in a lineup of an Eskimo, a Massai, an Indian, and a Lapp." is wrong?
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The problem is, where do you draw the line?

If you can draw the line between an Eskimo and a Masai, what is the child of an Eskimo and a Masai? Is he Eskimo or Masai?

You can't get around this.
 
CFLarsen said:
The problem is, where do you draw the line?

If you can draw the line between an Eskimo and a Masai, what is the child of an Eskimo and a Masai? Is he Eskimo or Masai?

You can't get around this.
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I'm not trying to around it. The concept of race is obviously getting ever more muddled as different races interbreed at ever greater rates.

I forgot, Claus, did you already answer my 4th question?
 
Claus, it turns out there was no 4th question. There was, however, my 3rd question which reads as follows: "Third question: Would you agree that it is possible to divide humanity into categories based on the width of their nose?"
 
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